if you need 1 hour to do professions, you probably have a leadership army, and that to me is part of the problem. (not saying YOU are part of the problem, since cryptic made it available in the first place) but to me it's not how the game should be played.
I have 10 characters, it probably doesn't take an hour, but it certainly feels that way. I don't have alot of free time and I want to have the convenienceto manage it in work downtime.
It's also really annoying that I now have to switch characters in game to queue a new task, meaning I have to stop whatever it was that I was actaully trying to do.
if you need 1 hour to do professions, you probably have a leadership army, and that to me is part of the problem. (not saying YOU are part of the problem, since cryptic made it available in the first place) but to me it's not how the game should be played.
People don't want to play the game the way you like to play it, they want to play it they like to play it.
No one cares how you think they 'should' be enjoying themselves.
Sounds like there's a slot for you on the dev team.
I'm curious about those who have such busy lives that can't even log in to the game, why are you using the gateway even then? is pressing a button a few times a day fun to you? what's the point of using professions and geting ad if you can't even play the game? I really don't get it.
Yeah, doing gateway leadership is fun when you're away from your home PC. It's like having a garden.
You can be connected while being away. And you can use the AD when you do have time to play for upgrading pets and gear (neck,rings,artifacts) AD costs have gone up across the board, and from what I read about the strongholds update, those AD costs are going to go up even more. So the casual working (i.e. grown up) players will be at a further disadvantage then people that have time to get logged in all day.
I know some adults are unemployed, disabled, what-not. When I started this game, it was explained to me that this game was a good option for casual adult players, and in the beginning, it was true! Do the gateway, do skirms or dungeons when you can, and have fun and buy a pet or something from the zen store to support the game. Now, everything has changed. Fast, harsh, drastic changes to the economy, difficulty, xp, soloing, HP, damage, class nerfs. I'm shaking me head now trying to figure out who this game is being marketed to, cuz it's not me or anyone like me. I blew cash on purple pets and even stuff like black ice crafting kits. I helped pay the bills while playing less then 2 hours a day. You reward the people that will stay permanently free-to-play (or close to it) but push away the people with credit cards.
More information will be posted very soon. Leadership for Gateway is not going away completely. Please stand by.
Well I just read your blog post and I see nothing there to back up your statement. What did I miss? It sure looks like it IS going away from Gateway completely. I'm sorry but this is a VERY bad decision! It took you several months to fix the gateway for android devices and now you pretty much just made all that work you did worthless. I am not leaving the game yet, but you are about 1 more bone headed decision from pushing me out and I sure am NOT going to spend any more money on it until you stop making these stupid decisions that primarily hurt your legit players.
Well ain't this a kick in the teeth. I'm a casual player here with an account with 4 toons on it. Yes, they are all leadership, but only one is 20. I can only play 5-7 hrs a week and I don't want that time to be jacking around with professions. That's is what the Gateway is for. Waiting anxiously to see what the Gateway/Leadership solution will be.
I sure am NOT going to spend any more money on it until you stop making these stupid decisions that primarily hurt your legit players.
This. Im not spending an euro until Cryptic reverts some of the changes they made, and im not a botter.
I will not say how much Ive spent, but Cryptic can check my account balance. Please do it.
Dungeons = joke 3k RAD at dungeon time 1 time, then you must spend 5k for the key. LOL rate of getting an artifact. 3 T2 dungeons.
Skirmish = joke 1k RAD. LOL rate of getting an artifact. 2 worth Skirmishes.
PVP = empty or premade.
Foundrys= not worth.
Crafting= now I have to change characters to manage my alts (no, I have not 50 or 20).
Gauntlgrym = removed dungeons to split the loot with the friends or peeps. Selling T2 was good.
Stop it. You are killing the game.
Only popcorn of some chat channels is funny and worth. QQ
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mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
I sure am NOT going to spend any more money on it until you stop making these stupid decisions that primarily hurt your legit players.
This. Im not spending an euro until Cryptic reverts some of the changes they made, and im not a botter.
I will not say how much Ive spent, but Cryptic can check my account balance. Please do it.
Dungeons = joke 3k RAD at dungeon time 1 time, then you must spend 5k for the key. LOL rate of getting an artifact. 3 T2 dungeons.
Skirmish = joke 1k RAD. LOL rate of getting an artifact. 2 worth Skirmishes.
PVP = empty or premade.
Foundrys= not worth.
Crafting= now I have to change characters to manage my alts (no, I have not 50 or 20).
Gauntlgrym = removed dungeons to split the loot with the friends or peeps. Selling T2 was good.
Stop it. You are killing the game.
Only popcorn of some chat channels is funny and worth. QQ
EPIC shore of tuern and kessel the best atm for astrals.
epic shore of tuern haarls book 200k astrals and free chest which have rings-belts-cloaks here you are 3k astrals with salvage. 1k per run during skirmish.
kessel chance for artifact beholder + black ice enchants for refine and again here a free chest rings-belt-cloak 3k astrals salvage.
I sure am NOT going to spend any more money on it until you stop making these stupid decisions that primarily hurt your legit players.
This. Im not spending an euro until Cryptic reverts some of the changes they made, and im not a botter.
I will not say how much Ive spent, but Cryptic can check my account balance. Please do it.
Dungeons = joke 3k RAD at dungeon time 1 time, then you must spend 5k for the key. LOL rate of getting an artifact. 3 T2 dungeons.
Skirmish = joke 1k RAD. LOL rate of getting an artifact. 2 worth Skirmishes.
PVP = empty or premade.
Foundrys= not worth.
Crafting= now I have to change characters to manage my alts (no, I have not 50 or 20).
Gauntlgrym = removed dungeons to split the loot with the friends or peeps. Selling T2 was good.
Stop it. You are killing the game.
Only popcorn of some chat channels is funny and worth. QQ
EPIC shore of tuern and kessel the best atm for astrals.
epic shore of tuern haarls book 200k astrals and free chest which have rings-belts-cloaks here you are 3k astrals with salvage. 1k per run during skirmish.
kessel chance for artifact beholder + black ice enchants for refine and again here a free chest rings-belt-cloak 3k astrals salvage.
Nothing to do with the old T2 and CN runs where you can sell items for 400k, and the drop were a lot better.
*Sigh* I think this needs to be the last straw for me Now I wasn't one of those people who used the Gateway to generate 100k+ AD a day or something, but used it for slowly levelling my chars and helpful rewards like the chests and refinement stones. Since I only log on weekends only usually or days off, looks like this will make the whole process even slower and less fun...
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theycallmetomuMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,861Arc User
I miss Neverwinter back when it was a good game for casuals
> @drkbodhi said:> > You want the botting to end? Remove the need-based economy. How do you do that...? Hella rewards from running t1 and t2 content and in SH, do the same for guild-based quests. Make the rewards group related. Make it mandatory to have 3 to 5 players to enter mini-dungeons. Which you essentially have done with your upgrades. Remove the RP rewards from the dailies and add them to the mini-DD runs. If a botter wants these items... make them work their asses off for them. > > Will that alienate the Solo players? Nope... because I am sure they run content with parties... when they need to. I also make a suggestion to all of the solo players... make an alliance with a guild that shares your ideals. I am not saying join the guild... I am suggesting that if they need someone for something... you are a go to name for all of the guild. > > Also... allow for guild alliances with individual players. Meaning that 'X' number of handles are allowed to assist the guild by running content on their SH map. I am sure that every solo player would have no problem with that.
While I agree with a lot of what has been said, not just from @drkbodhi, but others on this thread, I do have to raise one small point. There are quite a few folks, myself included, who are still fairly new to the game, don't know anyone on here, and are not ready to join a guild at this moment. That being said, I personally have 3 (I think) quest, all dungeons requiring 5 people just to get in, that I cannot do. Biggest reason? I can never find anyone who is doing them and needs another character to get inside the door. I just managed to get my main to lvl 40 (pulled a couple of all nighters that I am paying for now lol), and I have a couple of those dungeons that if I somehow manage to get inside, the loot is probably going to be so far below my current level that it won't be worth it. So what are solo players supposed to do? The guilds I have seen so far (the ones where I have talked with members, etc, or been invited to (usually without the person actually talking to me first)), have been all about hardcore raiding, and "Let's all do what the highest members of the guild want to do. No no, we don't have time to help the little people..."
So yeah. Frustrating as hell. Don't get me wrong. I am loving this game. Having a hard time getting AD, but then again I am not here for uber loots. I am here to enjoy the experience, have a few laughs, and maybe engage in a little rp along the way. But as a solo player, there are a few areas which are more than a little frustrating.
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I have 10 characters, it probably doesn't take an hour, but it certainly feels that way. I don't have alot of free time and I want to have the convenienceto manage it in work downtime.
It's also really annoying that I now have to switch characters in game to queue a new task, meaning I have to stop whatever it was that I was actaully trying to do.
People don't want to play the game the way you like to play it, they want to play it they like to play it.
No one cares how you think they 'should' be enjoying themselves.
Sounds like there's a slot for you on the dev team.
You can be connected while being away. And you can use the AD when you do have time to play for upgrading pets and gear (neck,rings,artifacts) AD costs have gone up across the board, and from what I read about the strongholds update, those AD costs are going to go up even more. So the casual working (i.e. grown up) players will be at a further disadvantage then people that have time to get logged in all day.
I know some adults are unemployed, disabled, what-not. When I started this game, it was explained to me that this game was a good option for casual adult players, and in the beginning, it was true!
Well I just read your blog post and I see nothing there to back up your statement. What did I miss? It sure looks like it IS going away from Gateway completely. I'm sorry but this is a VERY bad decision! It took you several months to fix the gateway for android devices and now you pretty much just made all that work you did worthless. I am not leaving the game yet, but you are about 1 more bone headed decision from pushing me out and I sure am NOT going to spend any more money on it until you stop making these stupid decisions that primarily hurt your legit players.
This. Im not spending an euro until Cryptic reverts some of the changes they made, and im not a botter.
I will not say how much Ive spent, but Cryptic can check my account balance. Please do it.
Dungeons = joke 3k RAD at dungeon time 1 time, then you must spend 5k for the key. LOL rate of getting an artifact. 3 T2 dungeons.
Skirmish = joke 1k RAD. LOL rate of getting an artifact. 2 worth Skirmishes.
PVP = empty or premade.
Foundrys= not worth.
Crafting= now I have to change characters to manage my alts (no, I have not 50 or 20).
Gauntlgrym = removed dungeons to split the loot with the friends or peeps. Selling T2 was good.
Stop it. You are killing the game.
Only popcorn of some chat channels is funny and worth. QQ
EPIC shore of tuern and kessel the best atm for astrals.
epic shore of tuern haarls book 200k astrals and free chest which have rings-belts-cloaks here you are 3k astrals with salvage. 1k per run during skirmish.
kessel chance for artifact beholder + black ice enchants for refine and again here a free chest rings-belt-cloak 3k astrals salvage.
Nothing to do with the old T2 and CN runs where you can sell items for 400k, and the drop were a lot better.
> You want the botting to end? Remove the need-based economy. How do you do that...? Hella rewards from running t1 and t2 content and in SH, do the same for guild-based quests. Make the rewards group related. Make it mandatory to have 3 to 5 players to enter mini-dungeons. Which you essentially have done with your upgrades. Remove the RP rewards from the dailies and add them to the mini-DD runs. If a botter wants these items... make them work their asses off for them.
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> Will that alienate the Solo players? Nope... because I am sure they run content with parties... when they need to. I also make a suggestion to all of the solo players... make an alliance with a guild that shares your ideals. I am not saying join the guild... I am suggesting that if they need someone for something... you are a go to name for all of the guild.
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> Also... allow for guild alliances with individual players. Meaning that 'X' number of handles are allowed to assist the guild by running content on their SH map. I am sure that every solo player would have no problem with that.
While I agree with a lot of what has been said, not just from @drkbodhi, but others on this thread, I do have to raise one small point. There are quite a few folks, myself included, who are still fairly new to the game, don't know anyone on here, and are not ready to join a guild at this moment. That being said, I personally have 3 (I think) quest, all dungeons requiring 5 people just to get in, that I cannot do. Biggest reason? I can never find anyone who is doing them and needs another character to get inside the door. I just managed to get my main to lvl 40 (pulled a couple of all nighters that I am paying for now lol), and I have a couple of those dungeons that if I somehow manage to get inside, the loot is probably going to be so far below my current level that it won't be worth it. So what are solo players supposed to do? The guilds I have seen so far (the ones where I have talked with members, etc, or been invited to (usually without the person actually talking to me first)), have been all about hardcore raiding, and "Let's all do what the highest members of the guild want to do. No no, we don't have time to help the little people..."
So yeah. Frustrating as hell. Don't get me wrong. I am loving this game. Having a hard time getting AD, but then again I am not here for uber loots. I am here to enjoy the experience, have a few laughs, and maybe engage in a little rp along the way. But as a solo player, there are a few areas which are more than a little frustrating.
Ok, I will shut up now. :P Have fun, all! :)
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