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novaninja555novaninja555 Posts: 839 Arc User
edited August 2014 in Suggestions Box
Ok so I have been in this game for a LONG time... I joined long back when cryptic owned CO... But what I am unhappy with is that I haven't really received any incentive to stay during the whole course of time (though I still want to stay... But that's different) I mean there is new game content and stuff BUT being silver, I don't really get to enjoy much perks... The nerfs to questionite farming isn't helping either... I only get to play on weekends for about 2 hrs and I am pure F2P. Not to mention that prepaid cards don't sell in my region either (despite a GameStop being here).

For example, I really want the specialist AT (rather desperate tbh),which is a rather old AT, but for the rate at which I am going, I think it's gonna take me 2 years to get it. I am pretty sure there are other pure f2p players in the same shoes.

So, here's my suggestion:

-Allow silver players who have played for a very long time to gain access to old ATs like the savage and the specialist. In the process, if they have purchased either of the ATs already, compensate them with an AT of their choice.

-Allow silver players who have played for a very long time access to some of the very old costume sets (rock set, cyborg beast, martial artist, etc.) it need not be all of the old Costume sets but its still worth it

-Allow silver players who have played for a very long time have a gold cap of about 350G instead of 250G

-Allow all players to receive questionite on getting perks. It will motivate them to explore further into the game.

-Introduce more questionite gear and items

Please leave suggestions on this suggestion that seem fit :)
All of this is from a silver player who is forced to be dependent on only questionite's point of view

"Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."

~me
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  • meedacthunistmeedacthunist Posts: 2,967 Arc User1
    edited August 2014
    Nope.

    Sorry, but CO already gave too much for free and that's how we ended relying heavily on vehicles and lockboxes.

    Icrease from 250 to 350 globals means nothing, really.
    A global cap removal should be more a Z-store item, than something free.

    And premium archetypes should be upgraded to be more attractive purchases, but they should not be handed for free. They should be an attractive buy much like STO premium ships are, but they aren't in their current state.

    There's simply not enough to sell in Z-Store and Premium archetypes aren't wanted enough. So people are only purchasing keys, occasional costumes and sit waiting for FF slot sales.

    CO could use a loyalty program for Z-store purchases, much like CoH/V had it...

    But it shouldn't be specifically Silver or Gold, but instead linked to the amount of cash spent regardless the account type.
  • novaninja555novaninja555 Posts: 839 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Nope.

    Sorry, but CO already gave too much for free and that's how we ended relying heavily on vehicles and lockboxes.

    Icrease from 250 to 350 globals means nothing, really.
    A global cap removal should be more a Z-store item, than something free.

    And premium archetypes should be upgraded to be more attractive purchases, but they should not be handed for free. They should be an attractive buy much like STO premium ships are, but they aren't in their current state.

    CO could use a loyalty program for Z-store purchases, much like CoH/V had it...

    But it shouldn't be specifically Silver or Gold, but instead linked to the amount of cash spent regardless the account type.

    Then what about F2P players like me? I mean like I have been playing this game for 3 continuos years (sure I managed to farm off the savage back when exchange prices were low and I could play all days a week) and I still have 2 more years to go for specialist... [Btw, did you get my private message? Can you reply to it? Through private msg of course]

    "Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."

    ~me
  • stergasterga Posts: 2,353 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Why should silver players get cash shop stuff for free just because they spent a ton of time playing the game? I'm all for vet rewards based on having played for years, but not giving away cash shop stuff for that reason.

    I disagree that CO giving away too much for free is why it's in this current position. That has to do with a long line of business decisions that were flat out bad or didn't pan out like the way Cryptic wanted them to.
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  • novaninja555novaninja555 Posts: 839 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    sterga wrote: »
    Why should silver players get cash shop stuff for free just because they spent a ton of time playing the game? I'm all for vet rewards based on having played for years, but not giving away cash shop stuff for that reason.

    I disagree that CO giving away too much for free is why it's in this current position. That has to do with a long line of business decisions that were flat out bad or didn't pan out like the way Cryptic wanted them to.

    It's a way of acknowledging their support. Not to mention that I actually do want the specialist AT myself XD like REAL bad... Of course I mentioned that in the post already :P

    "Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."

    ~me
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  • meedacthunistmeedacthunist Posts: 2,967 Arc User1
    edited August 2014
    gradii wrote: »
    ALL ATs should be free.

    No, Premium ATs should not be free.

    They could work as a good intermediate step between playing free AT and purchasing FF slot.

    Because it's silly to assume that people will suddenly start buying FF slots in bulk at their current price tag, and FF slots can not be priced lower because then it will hit both subscription and LTS value.
  • riveroceanriverocean Posts: 1,690 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I'm in the same boat as the OP - so I understand where he's coming from. I've actually played longer than my forum date indicates. I joined using a another account way back at launch...

    That being said - giving away stuff for free makes zero business sense for PWE. This is already a game with a smaller player base. What money it does make helps it to keep going and get what updates it has.

    I do like the idea of their being a way to increase the global cap.

    As far as farming Q goes - if you are dedicated you should be able to slowly purchase Q-Crates from the exchange. It would only take opening somewhere between 10 to 12 of those to get enough to buy a Premium AT. That's going to involve a lot of farming and selling of stuff on the exchange and back to vendors.

    Yup it's slow, but be thankful that it exists as a way to earn Zen at all. PWE could turn that off as an option if they wished - and that would really suck
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  • novaninja555novaninja555 Posts: 839 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    riverocean wrote: »
    I'm in the same boat as the OP - so I understand where he's coming from. I've actually played longer than my forum date indicates. I joined using a another account way back at launch...

    That being said - giving away stuff for free makes zero business sense for PWE. This is already a game with a smaller player base. What money it does make helps it to keep going and get what updates it has.

    I do like the idea of their being a way to increase the global cap.

    As far as farming Q goes - if you are dedicated you should be able to slowly purchase Q-Crates from the exchange. It would only take opening somewhere between 10 to 12 of those to get enough to buy a Premium AT. That's going to involve a lot of farming and selling of stuff on the exchange and back to vendors.

    Yup it's slow, but be thankful that it exists as a way to earn Zen at all. PWE could turn that off as an option if they wished - and that would really suck

    Hang on... Under which category to I find Q-crates in the exchange. Also, If I have something worth 500G, will I be able to sell it at the exchange because it exceeds my gold cap n all?

    "Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."

    ~me
  • flyingfinnflyingfinn Posts: 8,408 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    And Silver Vet Rewards should stop at 1000 days.
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  • stergasterga Posts: 2,353 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    It's a way of acknowledging their support. Not to mention that I actually do want the specialist AT myself XD like REAL bad... Of course I mentioned that in the post already :P

    Wanting an AT is not a good reason to give it away for free. The only way I can see it being OK for Cryptic to give stuff out for "free" is if they are getting something in return. For instance, working with a popular uploader or streamer to give stuff away to viewers... Which I think there are none of for CO. At least not in the scope I'm thinking.

    Just playing the game isn't support enough to warrant special treatment considering they provide the tools to get cash shop stuff by spending the time to grind for it instead of buying it with real money.
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  • championshewolfchampionshewolf Posts: 4,376 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    So, let me get this straight; You've been playing for a while but have paid no money, but expect to be treated better because you've decided to pay no money but have spent a lot of time playing this game? Sorry, but that's not how it works, that's not considered customer loyalty.

    They have given you the option to not pay any money to get what you want, but expecting them to give it to you because you refuse to pay money, whether it's by choice or inability to, does not make any sense. You are not showing customer loyalty just because "you've played a long time".
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  • novaninja555novaninja555 Posts: 839 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    riverocean wrote: »
    I'm in the same boat as the OP - so I understand where he's coming from. I've actually played longer than my forum date indicates. I joined using a another account way back at launch...

    That being said - giving away stuff for free makes zero business sense for PWE. This is already a game with a smaller player base. What money it does make helps it to keep going and get what updates it has.

    I do like the idea of their being a way to increase the global cap.

    As far as farming Q goes - if you are dedicated you should be able to slowly purchase Q-Crates from the exchange. It would only take opening somewhere between 10 to 12 of those to get enough to buy a Premium AT. That's going to involve a lot of farming and selling of stuff on the exchange and back to vendors.

    Yup it's slow, but be thankful that it exists as a way to earn Zen at all. PWE could turn that off as an option if they wished - and that would really suck

    I must say... I have some hope now...

    Taking into account that I get an average of 35000 qt per crate (25000-50000 qt range...correct me f I am wrong) and that I attack the exchange rates at 340qt/zen, that's less than 10 crates. Which is about 25 keys at worst possible scenario. And most sovereign sons drops sell at about 3-8 keys and hi-pan aura is 5 keys. Considering the possibilities, I would probably get about 3 SS drops/ aura. So if I get 2 auras , I would have 6 SS pieces. Taking the average price of 4 keys for SS (though its actually 5.5 keys). That is 24 keys from SS alone. And on accord to my weird discounts, I sell 1 aura for 3 keys. That's a total of 30 keys. It would probably take me 2 months to earn this amount. And now including gold drops in Smash and rampages and selling stuff and mods, make it about a total 32 keys. But I only need 24 keys (I know I said 25 earlier but for the sake of easier calculations...) that's about 3/4 the time. Hence I will only take 1.5 months or 6 weeks for this. Including the fact that am yet to complete vibora bay arc from jury dig, that's 10 weeks.

    Guess its possible after all :) ... 1 AT/6 weeks on severe farming. 1 FF = 5 ATs... So that's 30 weeks. If I start now, it's 34 weeks including the mission arc. Now taking holidays into consideration, this value becomes 28 weeks which is nearly half a year :D for a FF slot! Using which I can make any character I want! (Right? )

    "Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."

    ~me
  • novaninja555novaninja555 Posts: 839 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    So, let me get this straight; You've been playing for a while but have paid no money, but expect to be treated better because you've decided to pay no money but have spent a lot of time playing this game? Sorry, but that's not how it works, that's not considered customer loyalty.

    They have given you the option to not pay any money to get what you want, but expecting them to give it to you because you refuse to pay money, whether it's by choice or inability to, does not make any sense. You are not showing customer loyalty just because "you've played a long time".

    What better can I do? :/ I am 15 and not allowed to buy zen :(

    "Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."

    ~me
  • jasinblazejasinblaze Posts: 1,366 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    don't you have steam in your country, you can buy zen ingame through steam if CO is installed through steam.

    also clear your levels when you search for crates in the AH. then search "crate"
  • novaninja555novaninja555 Posts: 839 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    jasinblaze wrote: »
    don't you have steam in your country, you can buy zen ingame through steam if CO is installed through steam.
    I didn't install it through steam... Besides I am not allowed to buy zen cuz of parental restrictions

    "Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."

    ~me
  • pantagruel01pantagruel01 Posts: 7,091 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    In the end, veteran bonuses are 'thank you for spending money', not 'thank you for playing'. They could reasonably give veteran bonuses for spending in the Z-store, but that won't help you much.
  • jasinblazejasinblaze Posts: 1,366 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    so then you can't spend money because your parents wont let you?
    you can still install through steaam, that can be changed between arc and steam anytime.
    but if the real problem is your parents. instead of farming ingame , farm out of game. do extra stuff for them until they buy it for you. or if you aren't 12 get a paper route or similar.
  • riveroceanriverocean Posts: 1,690 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I must say... I have some hope now...

    Taking into account that I get an average of 35000 qt per crate (25000-50000 qt range...correct me f I am wrong) and that I attack the exchange rates at 340qt/zen, that's less than 10 crates. Which is about 25 keys at worst possible scenario. And most sovereign sons drops sell at about 3-8 keys and hi-pan aura is 5 keys. Considering the possibilities, I would probably get about 3 SS drops/ aura. So if I get 2 auras , I would have 6 SS pieces. Taking the average price of 4 keys for SS (though its actually 5.5 keys). That is 24 keys from SS alone. And on accord to my weird discounts, I sell 1 aura for 3 keys.

    Well it took me about 2 months to get just over 200,000 q saved up between three AT's. (I have a lot of slots because I earned them while paid :wink:). So it's really not that bad. I think 2-4 months to earn the Zen is reasonable.

    Also, there were a ton of Q-Crates (under devices, just search for Crates) yesterday. But none today. Someone probably bought them all. The price fluctuates, but they usually hover around 250g each.

    You also have to carefully sell stuff (having alts helps) because each character can only hold 250g. If you get a drop that's worth more than that - you can sell it for keys in Zone. I rarely do that, because I have trust issues.

    One other thing - you are old enough to earn your own money. But again that will depend on your parents permission on what you're allowed to do. Some parents prefer their kids focus on school and don't allow outside jobs.

    In the end, it's just a game. So not the end of the world if you miss out on a few in game things!
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  • novaninja555novaninja555 Posts: 839 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    jasinblaze wrote: »
    so then you can't spend money because your parents wont let you?
    you can still install through steaam, that can be changed between arc and steam anytime.
    but if the real problem is your parents. instead of farming ingame , farm out of game. do extra stuff for them until they buy it for you. or if you aren't 12 get a paper route or similar.

    Oh I have tried that... Turns out they won't buy it for me at any cost :( even tried running errands for money but they would only let me use it to buy stuff like accessories. And if I even bring up the topic of letting me buy zen, they had say I am addicted and would stop me from playing :(:frown::frown:

    "Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."

    ~me
  • novaninja555novaninja555 Posts: 839 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    riverocean wrote: »
    Well it took me about 2 months to get just over 200,000 q saved up between three AT's. (I have a lot of slots because I earned them while paid :wink:). So it's really not that bad. I think 2-4 months to earn the Zen is reasonable.

    Also, there were a ton of Q-Crates (under devices, just search for Crates) yesterday. But none today. Someone probably bought them all. The price fluctuates, but they usually hover around 250g each.

    You also have to carefully sell stuff (having alts helps) because each character can only hold 250g. If you get a drop that's worth more than that - you can sell it for keys in Zone. I rarely do that, because I have trust issues.

    One other thing - you are old enough to earn your own money. But again that will depend on your parents permission on what you're allowed to do. Some parents prefer their kids focus on school and don't allow outside jobs.

    In the end, it's just a game. So not the end of the world if you miss out on a few in game things!

    How often do you play in a month (since you mentioned 2-4 months) and I am actually a writer... Gonna become a part-time author soon

    "Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."

    ~me
  • skylygerskylyger Posts: 227 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    gradii wrote: »
    ALL ATs SHOULD be free. and the FF slot should come in 2 flavors.

    One like it is now, with no emanation points or power tinting, for 1500-2000 zen,

    and one which is the same as a gold freeform, for the current price of 5000 zen.

    I rather concur. Ive said since FTP began that the free form thing was the only real appeal, and locking it behind the sub or a high money wall would lead to extreme attrition.

    I suggested do away with the idea of ATs, and make silver characters start with access to any 1 power tree of their choice, for each additional power tree you wanted access to with that character, youd pay 10 dollars. My typical free form character would still run around 40 to 50 bucks in such a system, but I could parcel it out as I leveled and say I only wanted a single power from some random tree as my last power, Id be able to set aside that cost until I needed to add the power towards the end of the characters leveling.

    Id sale one time color selector and emination point items from the store to let the FTP free forms develop further.

    Ive nothing against subbers or LTS players, but the game is at its core about free form character building, and the very concept of the AT was a terrible addition in the first place.
  • skylygerskylyger Posts: 227 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Oh I have tried that... Turns out they won't buy it for me at any cost :( even tried running errands for money but they would only let me use it to buy stuff like accessories. And if I even bring up the topic of letting me buy zen, they had say I am addicted and would stop me from playing :(:frown::frown:

    the counter to this is easy, say mom dad I can either spend some fun funds on my gaming hobby, or I can become a drug addict so I can have something in common with all the cool kids in town, and start stealing from people to fuel my addiction.

    Now mom and dad, what was so bad about my game addiction again?
  • jennymachxjennymachx Posts: 3,002 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    skylyger wrote: »
    the counter to this is easy, say mom dad I can either spend some fun funds on my gaming hobby, or I can become a drug addict so I can have something in common with all the cool kids in town, and start stealing from people to fuel my addiction.

    Now mom and dad, what was so bad about my game addiction again?

    So ultimately your solution is for him to blackmail his parents. Brilliant.
  • ashensnowashensnow Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    OP,

    I think you have handled this situation really well. You aren't trying to sneak around behind your parents' back, are not being offensive because others have disagreed with your suggestion, and (most important in my opinion) you seem to be embracing ways that others have suggested might allow you to WORK for what you want while still respecting your parents' wishes on this matter.

    Kudos to you !


    If you are interested, I have some keys which you are welcome to. Message me if so and I will mail you the keys.


    Disclaimer: I am not some internet stalker, have been around here for some time, have no interest in your personal information, don't play very much these days (though the new content looks very interesting) and have no interest in bothering you.

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  • eiledoneiledon Posts: 1,278 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    another option is to see if you can find any old boxed versions of CO in local game stores or online. With these you get a code that gives you effectively 1 Month Sub free (so 500z). In most places if they are still around you can pick them up fairly cheap - definitely cheaper than a subscription costs.

    Plus you get the extra bonus of another hideout to choose (and keep when sub expires) plus the chance to try out free form should you wish to - you can also pick up and keep the gold vendor bonus for the month you are subbed so if you time it right you can get 2 gold vendor bonuses for your subscription period.

    Not sure what the store situation is near you but it might be an option.

    Edit: For example via google shopping just found a place online that was selling boxed CO at £0.99 so figured I would pick up a few anyway for the codes. free zen is always handy :p
  • crypticbuxomcrypticbuxom Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I'm still waiting for my played for 2.5 years reward. I'd like that heirloom gear set and the second jet action figure, please.
  • selpheaselphea Posts: 1,229 Arc User
    edited August 2014
  • novaninja555novaninja555 Posts: 839 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    jennymachx wrote: »
    So ultimately your solution is for him to blackmail his parents. Brilliant.

    I am sorry but I am not blackmailing my parents for a game... It's a bad impression on my part

    "Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."

    ~me
  • novaninja555novaninja555 Posts: 839 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I'm still waiting for my played for 2.5 years reward. I'd like that heirloom gear set and the second jet action figure, please.

    Just so you know, you can get heirloom at the policeman outside nemesis booth

    "Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."

    ~me
  • novaninja555novaninja555 Posts: 839 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    ashensnow wrote: »
    OP,

    I think you have handled this situation really well. You aren't trying to sneak around behind your parents' back, are not being offensive because others have disagreed with your suggestion, and (most important in my opinion) you seem to be embracing ways that others have suggested might allow you to WORK for what you want while still respecting your parents' wishes on this matter.

    Kudos to you !


    If you are interested, I have some keys which you are welcome to. Message me if so and I will mail you the keys.


    Disclaimer: I am not some internet stalker, have been around here for some time, have no interest in your personal information, don't play very much these days (though the new content looks very interesting) and have no interest in bothering you.

    Thanks :) that is very nice of you... And I don't see you as an Internet stalker ... Don't worry :)

    "Good can be found in heights, even in the deepest pits of evil" but "The valleys of evil always exist in the mountains of good."

    ~me
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