It might not define the genre or the characters in a game, but it does define cultural perception. Back in the ancient era someone with superpowers would have been considered a god, demigod, epic hero or some sort of fey or fey-blooded person. In a modern day setting, almost anyone with superpowers that fights off evil would be considered a "superhero", cuz superheroes are the "gods, demigods, etc." of our age.
Exactly, it's just a cultural reference.
Today an Xbox Kinect is sorta...meh.
Twenty years ago a game console responding to your voice was practically sci-fi.
A hundred years ago it would have been a very fancy moving picture machine and probably foreign.
Two hundred years ago it would have been "the work of demons."
Go back much further and it would have monuments carved in it's image.
Anyway, "supers" is a genre, and TSW isn't using that genre.
Nonetheless, CO has made me spoiled for character customization. If a game doesn't approach CO's level of customization for toon appearance and character abilities . . . meh.
JOrifice123ernes;2859541]I don't understand why this is even an argument. I don't think it's a superhero game at all. I don't even think most people who play CO regularly are a shared audience with people who play TSW. There are too many differences to make this game a viable alternative to those who have come to enjoy what CO actually manages to provide: Fast paced action-y combat with unmatched character customization. If these are big sellers for you, then TSW is definitely not a "moving on to" game. That being said, if you are looking for a different game, that is *not* a replacement for youActur chosen superhero game, it has plenty to offer.[/QUOTE]
Actually, this is the best reason to add TSW to your Gaming shortlist. Each one offers EXACTLY what the others are missing. Want to REALLY love those vehicles? Spend a couple of days in the City of The Sun God. Think TSW's ocationall bug or two is a deal breaker? Hello, Mr. Chat-Ban! Playing each for a while at a time keeps them both fresh and their respective flaws much more bearable.
'Wen considered the nature of time and understood that the universe is, instant by instant, recreated anew. Therefore, he understood, there is in truth no past, only a memory of the past. Blink your eyes, and the world you see next did not exist when you closed them. Therefore, he said, the only appropriate state of the mind is surprise. The only appropriate state of the heart is joy. The sky you see now, you have never seen before. The perfect moment is now. Be glad of it.' Terry Pratchet The Thief Of Time
That's some successful trolling right here.
He's fended off Storm, Rogue, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Colossus and Cyclops practically all at once. He's even punched Wolverine hard enough to send him flying through what were supposed to be unbreakable windows fitted on Stark Tower.
People underestimate Spider-Man because he's constantly holding back to avoid unnecessary collateral damage and injuring innocent bystanders. Y'know, great responsibility and all. His character revolves around trying to do the right thing and keeping himself from crossing the line. Something Wolverine really doesn't care about.
Spider-Man: "With great power comes great responsibility."
Wolverine: "I'm the best there is at what I do.."
There's a dynamic character in that list above, I'll give you three guesses which one it is.
If Wolverine didnt care about responsibility and doing the right thing, then why would he take a bunch of children away from the X-Men when they (Cyclops) started to use them as soldiers? He is the reason the former Xavior now Jean Grey School is open and rebuilt once again.
Yep...sounds like a guy who doesnt care to me.
These two have fought on several occaisions, both have won, course it was dependant on who was writing at the time.
I like Wolverine so much more than Spider-man, but the whole thing is moot. Spider-man will all ways be considered the better "Super Hero" but both have put others first. To those who whine about Wolverine's healing facter being OP how about a 6th sense that warns you about incoming attacks making upi immune to being snuck up on?
But if the two fought in real life, I give the nod to Spider-man, the guy is a genius, he'd figure out a way to beat Wolverine. Though if you throw them in a room and let them have it out. Wolverine wins due tot he healing factor, Spidey would tire out before Wolverine.
Anyway, "supers" is a genre, and TSW isn't using that genre.
Nonetheless, CO has made me spoiled for character customization. If a game doesn't approach CO's level of customization for toon appearance and character abilities . . . meh.
heh, this actually made me go over to steam and other stores to see if they had a superhero category for games. They did not. BUT! you can search for stuff. So I searched for "superhero" and got a slew of lego batman and others. No TSW tho.
So then I wikipedia'd "list of superhero games," and there was one. TSW was not on it.
Then I wiki'd TSW - "The Secret World is a dark fantasy massively multiplayer online role-playing survival horror video game."
The word "super" appears twice as a part of "supernatural," and "hero" appears once. Luckily for you guys it's as "supernatural heroes" so maybe....
Supernatural
1: of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe; especially : of or relating to God or a god, demigod, spirit, or devil
2a : departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature b : attributed to an invisible agent (as a ghost or spirit)
To those who whine about Wolverine's healing facter being OP how about a 6th sense that warns you about incoming attacks making upi immune to being snuck up on?
Seriously?
Being able to react to things quicker than the average bear is nowhere near on par or comparable to being immortal.
Say Galactus wanted to eat Earth. Spider-Man would die in the process. No amount of spider sense is going to save him. Wolverine would get eaten, melted in Galactus' digestive fluids, pooped out into space as a metal skeleton, and then regrow himself back.
Being able to react to things quicker than the average bear is nowhere near on par or comparable to being immortal.
Say Galactus wanted to eat Earth. Spider-Man would die in the process. No amount of spider sense is going to save him. Wolverine would get eaten, melted in Galactus' digestive fluids, pooped out into space as a metal skeleton, and then regrow himself back.
No contest there.
And then he'd have to spend the rest of his immortal existenced dealing with the fact that he's poop.
Which is true. That's the weird thing about the super-hero genre. It's a genre that sort of/kind of includes all genres. Guys in capes fighting alongside super-spies, ninjas, cowboys, knights, little girls with pigtails, etc., etc.
In Superior Spider-Man #1 (recently out, so I'll try not to spoil anything), we discover that super-speed can definitely overcome spider-sense.
Meanwhile, being blown up by freaking Nitro is insufficient to keep Wolverine from regenerating. Oh, and he has to fight Death every time that sort of thing happens. Right.
"Science teaches us to expect -- demand -- more than just eerie mysteries. What use is a puzzle that can't be solved? Patience is fine, but I'm not going to stop asking the universe to make sense!"
In Superior Spider-Man #1 (recently out, so I'll try not to spoil anything), we discover that super-speed can definitely overcome spider-sense.
Meanwhile, being blown up by freaking Nitro is insufficient to keep Wolverine from regenerating. Oh, and he has to fight Death every time that sort of thing happens. Right.
Is that even still going on? That was a story that is almost as bad as Brand New day.
So you are saying that CO is a better horror MMO than TSW?
That is a very easy point to make - most MMOs are better than TSW!
Me? No, that's your contention, not mine. I just don't believe that the type of combat seen in Walking Dead is going to be featured in any MMO Even in CO, where heroes can 1HK mobs, average mobs cannot 1HK the heroes.
Being a horror or super-hero game is as much a matter of ambiance as anything else. CO does nothing whatsoever to scare.
The only criterion that I will accept as definitive of a super-hero genre game is the intent of the creators. By that measure, TSW is not.
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And a talking hand, don't forget the talking hand. So he can literally say "Talk to the hand!" and show them his hand and suck them on a vacum (and no other vampire can do that so he's "super")
Which is true. That's the weird thing about the super-hero genre. It's a genre that sort of/kind of includes all genres. Guys in capes fighting alongside super-spies, ninjas, cowboys, knights, little girls with pigtails, etc., etc.
This is why the Super Hero genre is Awesome.
IM[NS]HO
Pretty much. We can play a character of ANY kind here. You can't really say that in almost any other genre (unless we're talking some full on transdimensional, multi-universe hopping thing, which the superhero genre sort of already is).
We can play a character of ANY kind here. You can't really say that in almost any other genre (unless we're talking some full on transdimensional, multi-universe hopping thing, which the superhero genre sort of already is).
Except there's so many demon futa catgirl vampire werewolf elf succubi running around it's hardly a superhero MMO here as well.
But I did actually google it just now, and the only pictures I found were from Marvel, and DC comics characters....thats it, there was 1 picture of Todd Mcfarlanes spawn at the very bottom, but thats it. According to google, no other superhero's exist except for the avengers and the justice league.
Really? Which Avenger or Justice League member is this guy?
Because to me it just simply looks like Captain Generic whose superpower is simply fitting the the archetype that comes to mind when people think "superhero."
It's always entertaining reading threads that go in the direction this one has. I don't think TSW is a super hero game but, if you look at the characters in it individually, many of them could qualify for the title super hero.
It's also interesting to see how people try to define what is, and isn't, a superhero given that the definitions of it can be so arbitrary and contradictory. For almost any claim someone tries to make saying that one character isn't a superhero, someone else can point to a character created by one of the major comic publishers that does actually fit that definition and is treated as a superhero by that publisher.
Are you familiar with the term "the exception that proves the rule?" If you took a TSW character out of his world and place him in beside Captain Spandex and Iron Guy as they battle Dr. Nogood and his army of robot ghost clones from the Moon, then yes, he'd probably qualify as a superhero.
But TSW, character on their own, do not fit the superhero mold. They're better recognized as urban fantasy.
Incidentally the same genre Harry Dresden is filed under.
Someone said that Goku isn't a superhero (I don't think he is one actually) but, let's look at that. Being from a destroyed world found on Earth as a small child with the potential to wield an amazing amount of power that fights to protect his friends and the world he now calls home. I think there's a couple parallels between him and Superman.
Dragonball didn't start out that way. Originally it was a reimagining of Journey to the West. Akira Toriyama even admitted he was making it up as he went along.
I also got the impression that someone thought being a magic user disqualifies you from being one but, Scarlet Witch, Morgan Le Fey, Talisman, Dr. Fate, Zatanna, Raven, and Dr. Strange come to mind.
Is this reference to my posts?
I was simply pointing out that in these particular stories, these certain characters could do things other people couldn't, ergo by the overly broad arguments here, all of these stories were really "superhero" stories.
I think what defines a superhero is a combination of the characterstics of the individual character and the setting itself and that part of the defining part of it is that most superheroes are exceptional for a number of reasons, one of the key ones being that they do something that not just anyone can up and decide to do one day. Even Batman spent years in preperation for the day he'd fight crime.
Only thing I've seen said right from the opposing side.
Harry's borderline superheroic because he's one of a select number of people who can do things far beyond those of mortal men in a relatively real-world setting.
That's not the definition of superheroes at all. If it was, we'd have to discount all the superheroes in space, etc.
I'm constantly amused by some of the daft things people say about The Secret World, especially when it comes to saying they believe the game's marketing department.
For a start it is not "Secret". There is "masquerade" there, just as the costumes and character differentiation are strictly limited by a limited development budget, so are their urban environments.
You can wander around the small, re-imagined fragment of London TSW has managed to knock-up with Wolverine's claws out and the Punisher's magic assault rifle on your back and no-one molests you for breaking any kind of secrecy. Why? Because they are used to superheroes there.
Admitted these superheroes all share the same origin, each gain their superpowers from a shared limited set of superhero focus weapons and are doomed to end up just like each other, able to gain all the available superpowers - just like a crowd of Super Skulls in civvies.
The game acknowledges the setting, even featuring John Constantine in the tutorial - a superhero who has his own Heroclix figure and leads his own superhero team Justice League Dark!
However admittedly John Constantine does not dress like Batman, which is supposed to be very important to some people.
But the bottom line is that TSW is boring rather than secret and I would have to be paid to play that extremely bland game.
Thank goodness that the buy-to-play model will probably soon collapse, just as their subscription model did.
Superhero stories, done well, are about modern archetypes.
A Prootwaddle is one of the weirder player-character races in "The Fantasy Trip", Steve Jackson's first published role-playing game.
I'm constantly amused by some of the daft things people say about The Secret World, especially when it comes to saying they believe the game's marketing department.
For a start it is not "Secret". There is "masquerade" there, just as the costumes and character differentiation are strictly limited by a limited development budget, so are their urban environments.
You can wander around the small, re-imagined fragment of London TSW has managed to knock-up with Wolverine's claws out and the Punisher's magic assault rifle on your back and no-one molests you for breaking any kind of secrecy. Why? Because they are used to superheroes there.
Admitted these superheroes all share the same origin, each gain their superpowers from a shared limited set of superhero focus weapons and are doomed to end up just like each other, able to gain all the available superpowers - just like a crowd of Super Skulls in civvies.
The game acknowledges the setting, even featuring John Constantine in the tutorial - a superhero who has his own Heroclix figure and leads his own superhero team Justice League Dark!
However admittedly John Constantine does not dress like Batman, which is supposed to be very important to some people.
But the bottom line is that TSW is boring rather than secret and I would have to be paid to play that extremely bland game.
Thank goodness that the buy-to-play model will probably soon collapse, just as their subscription model did.
Are you familiar with the term "the exception that proves the rule?" If you took a TSW character out of his world and place him in beside Captain Spandex and Iron Guy as they battle Dr. Nogood and his army of robot ghost clones from the Moon, then yes, he'd probably qualify as a superhero.
But TSW, character on their own, do not fit the superhero mold. They're better recognized as urban fantasy.
Incidentally the same genre Harry Dresden is filed under.
Guessing you didn't actually read the whole post I made given that I said in it TWICE that TSW is not a superhero game. In fact, what you're trying to tell me right here is something I've already said.
Dragonball didn't start out that way. Originally it was a reimagining of Journey to the West. Akira Toriyama even admitted he was making it up as he went along.
And to that I say so what? Goku's origins were right at the very beginning of the series. Can't really say that him making it up as he goes along excuses it when the basis for the comparison between him and Superman is right in the very beginning and before anyone tries to argue this... I DON'T THINK GOKU ACTUALLY DESERVES TO BE CALLED A SUPERHERO.
I was simply pointing out that in these particular stories, these certain characters could do things other people couldn't, ergo by the overly broad arguments here, all of these stories were really "superhero" stories.
Probably. Don't really feel like going back and looking but, if it was you, I think you mentioned Gandalf in that post and while my knowledge of LoTR is a bit lacking in comparison to others, it could be argued that he is the superhero of Middle Earth. I don't think he is a superhero but, there are commonalities that would allow for that arguement.
Only thing I've seen said right from the opposing side.
I found this comment about me interesting. Care to explain to me which side I'm on considering that for the fourth or fifth time now I'm saying that TSW IS NOT A SUPERHERO GAME? Also kinda proves that you didn't bother to read the entirity of what was said before trying to dispute it.
That's not the definition of superheroes at all. If it was, we'd have to discount all the superheroes in space, etc.
I think it would depend on what those super heroes in space are doing as well as what the people around them are like as well. Take Superma for example. On Earth, he's a superhero. If his homeworld was still around and he was there he'd just be another Kryptonian. This is why I say that it's a combination of the setting and the character that decides whether or not someone is a superhero.
As I posted earlier, a superhero game is not simply about making superheroic characters. To be such a game, the game world has to embrace the superhero genre and its accompanying tropes.
Please read here. For example, the superhero genre includes such things as super power lottery, super teams, and card-carrying villains.
If you place a superhero in a platform game like Super Mario, you won't have a superhero game. Likewise, you can have a superhero be the main character of a melodrama, but not have a superhero story at all.
Except there's so many demon futa catgirl vampire werewolf elf succubi running around it's hardly a superhero MMO here as well.
Might as well call it Twilight Online.
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I haven't seen this much hair splitting since the last time I went with the wife to the salon. Makes for some very interesting philosophical discussion and reading though...trolling aside, including my own.
I haven't seen this much hair splitting since the last time I went with the wife to the salon. Makes for some very interesting philosophical discussion and reading though...trolling aside, including my own.
I have to say, I'm genuinely surprised this thread hasn't been closed and set on fire.
Nerds arguing comics.
On the internet.
Recipe for disaster.
If ever there was proof this community is awesome, it's the fact that we haven't all killed each other yet.
Except there's so many demon futa catgirl vampire werewolf elf succubi running around it's hardly a superhero MMO here as well.
Might as well call it Twilight Online.
Except all those things can be as appropriate to the "superhero" genre as the characters in that picture of the Norse fantasy character, spy-girl, guy in a robotic suit, Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde ripoff and single costumed hero from kojirohellfire's post I quoted a couple pages back. But I suppose those are more acceptable because they're published by Marvel Comics.
One of my favorite "superheroes"/TV characters of all times is Buffy the Vampire Slayer. And my main is a sexy dark elf witch *points to forum avatar*
Yeah, I suppose that the "/trollface" clause of my post renders everthing I said about the fact that only one of the characters in that picture you included in that post barely resembles that generic "superhero" in tights guy you posted in this one. But they're Mavel characters, that alone makes them valid "superheroes" despite all but one of them fitting in other genres.
I have to say, I'm genuinely surprised this thread hasn't been closed and set on fire.
Nerds arguing comics.
On the internet.
Recipe for disaster.
If ever there was proof this community is awesome, it's the fact that we haven't all killed each other yet.
The highlighted part is probably the reason this thread (about another MMO) hasn't been closed yet. Since its turned into a discussion about superheroes and comics, which are appropriate to this game.
I have to say, I'm genuinely surprised this thread hasn't been closed and set on fire.
Nerds arguing comics.
On the internet.
Recipe for disaster.
If ever there was proof this community is awesome, it's the fact that we haven't all killed each other yet.
It's the unwritten rule. You can't shutdown a thread of a bunch of us nerds arguing comics on a forum for a bunch of us nerds who play a comic book game. :biggrin:
And Defender is not a superhero...he's a damsel in distress.
Except all those things INDIVIDUALLY can be as appropriate to the "superhero" genre .
Added the qualifying word to that opening statement. What I put in my post was a description of an army of individuals.
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IE, a mass of catgirl demon futa vampire werewolf elf succubi.
There is no way one could shoehorn such a being into the superhero genre. That's pure fetish run out of control. All I can do when I see such a character with those things lumped together in its bio is both laugh at the sheer idiocy of it and recoil in horror at the abomination it represents to me.
It's the unwritten rule. You can't shutdown a thread of a bunch of us nerds arguing comics on a forum for a bunch of us nerds who play a comic book game. :biggrin:
And Defender is not a superhero...he's a damsel in distress.
I have to say, I'm genuinely surprised this thread hasn't been closed and set on fire.
Nerds arguing comics.
On the internet.
Recipe for disaster.
If ever there was proof this community is awesome, it's the fact that we haven't all killed each other yet.
The reason the thread isn't closed is because we have one mod whose personal pet project or maybe its a deep personal flaw is to argue comic books on the internet. Its what gets him chat banned, but here...here he has a free run to throw threads all way off track because as they said last year "Lunatics run the asylum."
The reason the thread isn't closed is because we have one mod whose personal pet project or maybe its a deep personal flaw is to argue comic books on the internet. Its what gets him chat banned, but here...here he has a free run to throw threads all way off track because as they said last year "Lunatics run the asylum."
Dude's a a broken record.
Speaking of broken records...
All you've been saying lately is essentially "Stop having fun."
The reason the thread isn't closed is because we have one mod whose personal pet project or maybe its a deep personal flaw is to argue comic books on the internet. Its what gets him chat banned, but here...here he has a free run to throw threads all way off track because as they said last year "Lunatics run the asylum."
Dude's a a broken record.
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I don't close every thread that mention other games, and I don't close every thread that goes off its original topic, especially when it makes the thread more relevant.
I haven't seen any flaming or personal attacks in here (well aside from the quoted post, but little words don't bother me) so until the thread turns into a hate-fest, I think it's fine.
But hey if you have a problem with the way I do things, you'll gain more traction bringing it up with trailturtle than making silly posts like this one.
Added the qualifying word to that opening statement. What I put in my post was a description of an army of individuals.
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IE, a mass of catgirl demon futa vampire werewolf elf succubi.
There is no way one could shoehorn such a being into the superhero genre. That's pure fetish run out of control. All I can do when I see such a character with those things lumped together in its bio is both laugh at the sheer idiocy of it and recoil in horror at the abomination it represents to me.
Oh yeah, I missed the lack of use of commas between each of those individual types of beings on your other post. Also, didn't recognize or search for the word "futa" *makes google search and finds "futanari"* yeah, uhmm... I think I'm starting to get the picture here :rolleyes:
I don't have an insue with some types of hybrids (or even the existence of herms in RL--its not their fault they were born that way), but yeah, I used to run into characters like that back in my NWN1 RP server days and it can get a little ridiculous sometimes.
'Wen considered the nature of time and understood that the universe is, instant by instant, recreated anew. Therefore, he understood, there is in truth no past, only a memory of the past. Blink your eyes, and the world you see next did not exist when you closed them. Therefore, he said, the only appropriate state of the mind is surprise. The only appropriate state of the heart is joy. The sky you see now, you have never seen before. The perfect moment is now. Be glad of it.' Terry Pratchet The Thief Of Time
Sorry to derail the thread here, but I did have a TSW/CO comment
Am I the only one who, upon seeing Neft's new sig. thought "F^#K Tokyo! THIS is our new Zone!" Think about it. It would fit perfectly between City of the Sun God in Egypt and The Besieged Farmlands in Transylvania AND provide gainful employment for the hoards of Undead Kitties left tragically jobless by the end of the Halloween Event! She's even gone through the trouble to design the local Sequins!
'Wen considered the nature of time and understood that the universe is, instant by instant, recreated anew. Therefore, he understood, there is in truth no past, only a memory of the past. Blink your eyes, and the world you see next did not exist when you closed them. Therefore, he said, the only appropriate state of the mind is surprise. The only appropriate state of the heart is joy. The sky you see now, you have never seen before. The perfect moment is now. Be glad of it.' Terry Pratchet The Thief Of Time
As I posted earlier, a superhero game is not simply about making superheroic characters. To be such a game, the game world has to embrace the superhero genre and its accompanying tropes.
Please read here. For example, the superhero genre includes such things as super power lottery, super teams, and card-carrying villains.
If you place a superhero in a platform game like Super Mario, you won't have a superhero game. Likewise, you can have a superhero be the main character of a melodrama, but not have a superhero story at all.
Yes, TSW has superhero-type characters.
No, TSW doesn't have enough of the other tropes to be in the superhero genre. By their own description, it is a dark urban fantasy game, using a masquerade and ancient conspiracies.
As I posted earlier, a superhero game is not simply about making superheroic characters. To be such a game, the game world has to embrace the superhero genre and its accompanying tropes.
Please read here. For example, the superhero genre includes such things as super power lottery, super teams, and card-carrying villains.
If you place a superhero in a platform game like Super Mario, you won't have a superhero game. Likewise, you can have a superhero be the main character of a melodrama, but not have a superhero story at all.
Yes, TSW has superhero-type characters.
No, TSW doesn't have enough of the other tropes to be in the superhero genre. By their own description, it is a dark urban fantasy game, using a masquerade and ancient conspiracies.
As I posted earlier no one has claimed that TSW is a superhero game other than the people screaming at the top of their lungs that it isn't. Only claim that has been made is that there are superhero elements or "hints" and that characters could pass as being superhero-like.
Re: earlier question, I haven't been tracking this thread too closely, but I read the first page. Critique of Champions is always valid if it's done in a constructive way; advertising for other games would be an issue, but I've got no problem with drawing comparisons to better understand Champs.
The reason the thread isn't closed is because we have one mod whose personal pet project or maybe its a deep personal flaw is to argue comic books on the internet. Its what gets him chat banned, but here...here he has a free run to throw threads all way off track because as they said last year "Lunatics run the asylum."
Dude's a a broken record.
The point wasn't "why isn't this closed?" but rather "I'm surprised we haven't descended into personal attacks and general asshatery yet!" but I love how you took the opportunity of me saying "hey, we're not being total *******s to each other! Yay!" to call out the mod and prove me wrong by personally attacking him lol.
Now we're back on track.
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Many posters, going back to my comment on the first page, were conflating a game where characters are like superheroes with a superhero game. I blame myself for saying "supers", rather than "superhero rpg".
I gave TSW a try. It is a neat game, and I do like puzzles/problem-solving. Still, I am not a fan of the urban fantasy and ancient conspiracy setting. CO has spoiled me--the comic book style superhero setting is my favorite, and I don't want to change.
Re: earlier question, I haven't been tracking this thread too closely, but I read the first page. Critique of Champions is always valid if it's done in a constructive way; advertising for other games would be an issue, but I've got no problem with drawing comparisons to better understand Champs.
Pretty much how I feel about discussing other games here.
As I posted earlier no one has claimed that TSW is a superhero game other than the people screaming at the top of their lungs that it isn't. Only claim that has been made is that there are superhero elements or "hints" and that characters could pass as being superhero-like.
Someone said that the characters you play in Secret World are not superheroes. Then a bunch of people said they are. Every game that I've played that you play as a superhero, I would consider a superhero game. How you would not make that connection is just a bit weird. You're basically saying "This game is about superheroes, but it's not a superhero game." Does that make any sense to you? You just can't have both things.
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Exactly, it's just a cultural reference.
Today an Xbox Kinect is sorta...meh.
Twenty years ago a game console responding to your voice was practically sci-fi.
A hundred years ago it would have been a very fancy moving picture machine and probably foreign.
Two hundred years ago it would have been "the work of demons."
Go back much further and it would have monuments carved in it's image.
Nonetheless, CO has made me spoiled for character customization. If a game doesn't approach CO's level of customization for toon appearance and character abilities . . . meh.
Whoever you are, be that person one hundred percent. Don't compromise on your identity.
Actually, this is the best reason to add TSW to your Gaming shortlist. Each one offers EXACTLY what the others are missing. Want to REALLY love those vehicles? Spend a couple of days in the City of The Sun God. Think TSW's ocationall bug or two is a deal breaker? Hello, Mr. Chat-Ban! Playing each for a while at a time keeps them both fresh and their respective flaws much more bearable.
'Wen considered the nature of time and understood that the universe is, instant by instant, recreated anew. Therefore, he understood, there is in truth no past, only a memory of the past. Blink your eyes, and the world you see next did not exist when you closed them. Therefore, he said, the only appropriate state of the mind is surprise. The only appropriate state of the heart is joy. The sky you see now, you have never seen before. The perfect moment is now. Be glad of it.' Terry Pratchet The Thief Of Time
If Wolverine didnt care about responsibility and doing the right thing, then why would he take a bunch of children away from the X-Men when they (Cyclops) started to use them as soldiers? He is the reason the former Xavior now Jean Grey School is open and rebuilt once again.
Yep...sounds like a guy who doesnt care to me.
These two have fought on several occaisions, both have won, course it was dependant on who was writing at the time.
I like Wolverine so much more than Spider-man, but the whole thing is moot. Spider-man will all ways be considered the better "Super Hero" but both have put others first. To those who whine about Wolverine's healing facter being OP how about a 6th sense that warns you about incoming attacks making upi immune to being snuck up on?
But if the two fought in real life, I give the nod to Spider-man, the guy is a genius, he'd figure out a way to beat Wolverine. Though if you throw them in a room and let them have it out. Wolverine wins due tot he healing factor, Spidey would tire out before Wolverine.
And a fair number of people have disagreed with that explanation and offered a rebuttal.
heh, this actually made me go over to steam and other stores to see if they had a superhero category for games. They did not. BUT! you can search for stuff. So I searched for "superhero" and got a slew of lego batman and others. No TSW tho.
So then I wikipedia'd "list of superhero games," and there was one. TSW was not on it.
Then I wiki'd TSW - "The Secret World is a dark fantasy massively multiplayer online role-playing survival horror video game."
The word "super" appears twice as a part of "supernatural," and "hero" appears once. Luckily for you guys it's as "supernatural heroes" so maybe....
Supernatural
1: of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe; especially : of or relating to God or a god, demigod, spirit, or devil
2a : departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature b : attributed to an invisible agent (as a ghost or spirit)
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So...
SUPERHERO.
Got a cape and everything.
Also - Ponies.
Seriously?
Being able to react to things quicker than the average bear is nowhere near on par or comparable to being immortal.
Say Galactus wanted to eat Earth. Spider-Man would die in the process. No amount of spider sense is going to save him. Wolverine would get eaten, melted in Galactus' digestive fluids, pooped out into space as a metal skeleton, and then regrow himself back.
No contest there.
And then he'd have to spend the rest of his immortal existenced dealing with the fact that he's poop.
This is why the Super Hero genre is Awesome.
IM[NS]HO
Just looks like Wolverine with a different suit.
Obvious Wolverine fanboy.
Dude stop! You're killing me! LOL
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Meanwhile, being blown up by freaking Nitro is insufficient to keep Wolverine from regenerating. Oh, and he has to fight Death every time that sort of thing happens. Right.
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Is that even still going on? That was a story that is almost as bad as Brand New day.
Whenever Wolverine says that, people roll their eyes.
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That sounds more like a Waypool line than something Logan would say. You have to have a sense of humor to crack jokes, don't you?
Me? No, that's your contention, not mine. I just don't believe that the type of combat seen in Walking Dead is going to be featured in any MMO Even in CO, where heroes can 1HK mobs, average mobs cannot 1HK the heroes.
Being a horror or super-hero game is as much a matter of ambiance as anything else. CO does nothing whatsoever to scare.
The only criterion that I will accept as definitive of a super-hero genre game is the intent of the creators. By that measure, TSW is not.
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I disagree. John Constintine is not a superhero, but he definitely possesses superhuman abilities and - despite himself - performs heroic acts.
TSW was never designed to be a "superhero" game in the way Cox, CO and DCUO were/are.
Superpowered? Sure. Superheroic? Not by common definition.
This times a million!
And a talking hand, don't forget the talking hand. So he can literally say "Talk to the hand!" and show them his hand and suck them on a vacum (and no other vampire can do that so he's "super")
Pretty much. We can play a character of ANY kind here. You can't really say that in almost any other genre (unless we're talking some full on transdimensional, multi-universe hopping thing, which the superhero genre sort of already is).
Except there's so many demon futa catgirl vampire werewolf elf succubi running around it's hardly a superhero MMO here as well.
Might as well call it Twilight Online.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
Really? Which Avenger or Justice League member is this guy?
Because to me it just simply looks like Captain Generic whose superpower is simply fitting the the archetype that comes to mind when people think "superhero."
This is all I need to know about this post.
Are you familiar with the term "the exception that proves the rule?" If you took a TSW character out of his world and place him in beside Captain Spandex and Iron Guy as they battle Dr. Nogood and his army of robot ghost clones from the Moon, then yes, he'd probably qualify as a superhero.
But TSW, character on their own, do not fit the superhero mold. They're better recognized as urban fantasy.
Incidentally the same genre Harry Dresden is filed under.
Dragonball didn't start out that way. Originally it was a reimagining of Journey to the West. Akira Toriyama even admitted he was making it up as he went along.
Is this reference to my posts?
I was simply pointing out that in these particular stories, these certain characters could do things other people couldn't, ergo by the overly broad arguments here, all of these stories were really "superhero" stories.
Only thing I've seen said right from the opposing side.
That's not the definition of superheroes at all. If it was, we'd have to discount all the superheroes in space, etc.
Harry Dresden is urban fantasy.
No it doesn't. The line mentioned is a pop culture reference.
I don't think that room could conceivably hold them.
For a start it is not "Secret". There is "masquerade" there, just as the costumes and character differentiation are strictly limited by a limited development budget, so are their urban environments.
You can wander around the small, re-imagined fragment of London TSW has managed to knock-up with Wolverine's claws out and the Punisher's magic assault rifle on your back and no-one molests you for breaking any kind of secrecy. Why? Because they are used to superheroes there.
Admitted these superheroes all share the same origin, each gain their superpowers from a shared limited set of superhero focus weapons and are doomed to end up just like each other, able to gain all the available superpowers - just like a crowd of Super Skulls in civvies.
The game acknowledges the setting, even featuring John Constantine in the tutorial - a superhero who has his own Heroclix figure and leads his own superhero team Justice League Dark!
However admittedly John Constantine does not dress like Batman, which is supposed to be very important to some people.
But the bottom line is that TSW is boring rather than secret and I would have to be paid to play that extremely bland game.
Thank goodness that the buy-to-play model will probably soon collapse, just as their subscription model did.
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Good points. Pac-Man is a superhero.
If you wanted you could argue that Pac-Man is an Hourman simulator, I suppose.
Because Hourman does not dress just like Batman, here is a link.
A Prootwaddle is one of the weirder player-character races in "The Fantasy Trip", Steve Jackson's first published role-playing game.
And to that I say so what? Goku's origins were right at the very beginning of the series. Can't really say that him making it up as he goes along excuses it when the basis for the comparison between him and Superman is right in the very beginning and before anyone tries to argue this... I DON'T THINK GOKU ACTUALLY DESERVES TO BE CALLED A SUPERHERO.
Probably. Don't really feel like going back and looking but, if it was you, I think you mentioned Gandalf in that post and while my knowledge of LoTR is a bit lacking in comparison to others, it could be argued that he is the superhero of Middle Earth. I don't think he is a superhero but, there are commonalities that would allow for that arguement.
I found this comment about me interesting. Care to explain to me which side I'm on considering that for the fourth or fifth time now I'm saying that TSW IS NOT A SUPERHERO GAME? Also kinda proves that you didn't bother to read the entirity of what was said before trying to dispute it.
I think it would depend on what those super heroes in space are doing as well as what the people around them are like as well. Take Superma for example. On Earth, he's a superhero. If his homeworld was still around and he was there he'd just be another Kryptonian. This is why I say that it's a combination of the setting and the character that decides whether or not someone is a superhero.
Please read here. For example, the superhero genre includes such things as super power lottery, super teams, and card-carrying villains.
If you place a superhero in a platform game like Super Mario, you won't have a superhero game. Likewise, you can have a superhero be the main character of a melodrama, but not have a superhero story at all.
Yes, TSW has superhero-type characters.
No, TSW doesn't have enough of the other tropes to be in the superhero genre. By their own description, it is a dark urban fantasy game, using a masquerade and ancient conspiracies.
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I have to say, I'm genuinely surprised this thread hasn't been closed and set on fire.
Nerds arguing comics.
On the internet.
Recipe for disaster.
If ever there was proof this community is awesome, it's the fact that we haven't all killed each other yet.
Except all those things can be as appropriate to the "superhero" genre as the characters in that picture of the Norse fantasy character, spy-girl, guy in a robotic suit, Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde ripoff and single costumed hero from kojirohellfire's post I quoted a couple pages back. But I suppose those are more acceptable because they're published by Marvel Comics.
One of my favorite "superheroes"/TV characters of all times is Buffy the Vampire Slayer. And my main is a sexy dark elf witch *points to forum avatar*
Yeah, I suppose that the "/trollface" clause of my post renders everthing I said about the fact that only one of the characters in that picture you included in that post barely resembles that generic "superhero" in tights guy you posted in this one. But they're Mavel characters, that alone makes them valid "superheroes" despite all but one of them fitting in other genres.
The highlighted part is probably the reason this thread (about another MMO) hasn't been closed yet. Since its turned into a discussion about superheroes and comics, which are appropriate to this game.
It's the unwritten rule. You can't shutdown a thread of a bunch of us nerds arguing comics on a forum for a bunch of us nerds who play a comic book game. :biggrin:
And Defender is not a superhero...he's a damsel in distress.
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Added the qualifying word to that opening statement. What I put in my post was a description of an army of individuals.
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IE, a mass of catgirl demon futa vampire werewolf elf succubi.
There is no way one could shoehorn such a being into the superhero genre. That's pure fetish run out of control. All I can do when I see such a character with those things lumped together in its bio is both laugh at the sheer idiocy of it and recoil in horror at the abomination it represents to me.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
That's a funny way to spell "punching bag".
The reason the thread isn't closed is because we have one mod whose personal pet project or maybe its a deep personal flaw is to argue comic books on the internet. Its what gets him chat banned, but here...here he has a free run to throw threads all way off track because as they said last year "Lunatics run the asylum."
Dude's a a broken record.
Speaking of broken records...
All you've been saying lately is essentially "Stop having fun."
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I don't close every thread that mention other games, and I don't close every thread that goes off its original topic, especially when it makes the thread more relevant.
I haven't seen any flaming or personal attacks in here (well aside from the quoted post, but little words don't bother me) so until the thread turns into a hate-fest, I think it's fine.
But hey if you have a problem with the way I do things, you'll gain more traction bringing it up with trailturtle than making silly posts like this one.
Oh yeah, I missed the lack of use of commas between each of those individual types of beings on your other post. Also, didn't recognize or search for the word "futa" *makes google search and finds "futanari"* yeah, uhmm... I think I'm starting to get the picture here :rolleyes:
I don't have an insue with some types of hybrids (or even the existence of herms in RL--its not their fault they were born that way), but yeah, I used to run into characters like that back in my NWN1 RP server days and it can get a little ridiculous sometimes.
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Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
Please read here. For example, the superhero genre includes such things as super power lottery, super teams, and card-carrying villains.
If you place a superhero in a platform game like Super Mario, you won't have a superhero game. Likewise, you can have a superhero be the main character of a melodrama, but not have a superhero story at all.
Yes, TSW has superhero-type characters.
No, TSW doesn't have enough of the other tropes to be in the superhero genre. By their own description, it is a dark urban fantasy game, using a masquerade and ancient conspiracies.
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Trying to enlighten the benighted, and recommend the rarer classic comics and role-playing games, is a virtue.
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Hell YYYEEESSS!!! That woman is totally a superhero! Don't be bringing down Olive
As I posted earlier no one has claimed that TSW is a superhero game other than the people screaming at the top of their lungs that it isn't. Only claim that has been made is that there are superhero elements or "hints" and that characters could pass as being superhero-like.
The point wasn't "why isn't this closed?" but rather "I'm surprised we haven't descended into personal attacks and general asshatery yet!" but I love how you took the opportunity of me saying "hey, we're not being total *******s to each other! Yay!" to call out the mod and prove me wrong by personally attacking him lol.
Now we're back on track.
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I gave TSW a try. It is a neat game, and I do like puzzles/problem-solving. Still, I am not a fan of the urban fantasy and ancient conspiracy setting. CO has spoiled me--the comic book style superhero setting is my favorite, and I don't want to change.
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And yes, Hawk is a superhero.
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Pretty much how I feel about discussing other games here.
Someone said that the characters you play in Secret World are not superheroes. Then a bunch of people said they are. Every game that I've played that you play as a superhero, I would consider a superhero game. How you would not make that connection is just a bit weird. You're basically saying "This game is about superheroes, but it's not a superhero game." Does that make any sense to you? You just can't have both things.
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