Windows 10 -- Any effect on Champs?

roughbearmattach

I am planning on doing the move to Windows 10 later tonight. Has anyone here done that?
If so, any noticeable difference when using Champs?

Thanks!

championshewolf

Been trying but I keep getting a black screen on the install. If you run win 8 or 8.1 champs works fine. No reason to fret. But I just can't seem to get the upgrade to work, and trying to get a hold of technical support doesn't seem to work either.​​

sistersilicon

I've been running the fast-track Insider builds for a while now, so I've been on the release build (10240) for a couple of weeks. So far, it's been good with every game I've thrown at it, and I have a slightly odd multi-monitor setup (2 displays on a GTX 980, plus my old GTX 660 just for CUDA/PhysX). Just make sure you have your display drivers up to date. Even though there are no DirectX 12 games yet, there's a new WDDM underneath DirectX, so AMD and Nvidia both had to make updates.

championshewolf

I've used everyone solution I could find on the internet, including updating and no dice, so I am going to wait a few more weeks to see if something else comes about.​​

roughbearmattach

I'm going from Windows 7.
Ran the update a couple hours ago without any issues.
I will make sure my card get updates as needed.

I will check out the game when I get home.

canadascott

One friend said the game looked "less brightly cartoony" to him, even though he had not adjusted the settings. Take that for what it's worth.

deadman20

Must be that shifty DX12 NVIDIA was talking about when I updated my drivers for Win10. For a true stress test... throw your viewcam into the middle of every Fire-Particle you can find. Those turrets on the Cybermind Carrier could help with that, or use Fire Breath and pan the cam so that it's coming straight for it. Or, better yet, go pester the Harbinger in the Lemurian Invasion with Clinging Flames, Negative Ions, or Chilled. Whatever gets those Particle Effects going.​​

KagamiTheMagicalCatGerl

Only issue I had was with Nvidia drivers. For a bit there I couldn't open the Nvidia control panel, but I messed with stuff and that's all fixed now. As for my games... they all pretty much look the same, play the same, do the same things.

If things look different, I would start by going into your GPU control panel and checking various settings, something might have gotten changed. I got a new monitor recently and now CO looks all crisp and sharp and neat... I kind of miss the way my old monitor ( a 30Hz plasma tv) kind of blurred everything and made it look softer ( ._.)

championshewolf

Alright, 10th time is the charm, after a lot of mindless troubleshooting I finally figured out what the problem was, and it was so stupid. My computer thought I had two monitors, which I don't, so the entire time it had me booted up on the second monitor so I couldn't see anything.

[EDIT]

After I've been playing around, my game experience was pretty good with Win8.1 already, held a steady 60ish frames since I cap it at 60 due to my monitor only being 60 hertz (though if I turned the throttle off I could get up to 170 FPS no problem). Now with Win10 installed I get up to 62 FPS so I gained almost 3 FPS with the install, and such. I can only hope Cryptic will either fully integrate Dx11 support, or better yet, be implementing full Dx12 support.​​

championshewolf

OK, now that I figured out what was messing up, and of course I am going to have to try and tag a dev, but @crypticarkane, as a curiosity question, will Cryptic games being updated with DirectX12 support?​​

sistersilicon

I think I already know the answer: No time soon.

DirectX 12 might as well be DirectX Fred. It bears no resemblance to prior DX APIs because it's meant to get as close to iron as possible and still be hardware agnostic, and any thread can now submit draw calls, not just the app's main thread. It's tremendously powerful, but it's probably a complete rewrite of the drawing code to take advantage of it.

That said, Cryptic might find it worth the effort for Neverwinter, since DX12 would unlock a lot of Xbox One performance they're leaving on the table by using DX11 on a console. Would CO ever see that? Let's get DX11 support out of beta first, eh?

championshewolf

sistersilicon wrote: »

I think I already know the answer: No time soon.

DirectX 12 might as well be DirectX Fred. It bears no resemblance to prior DX APIs because it's meant to get as close to iron as possible and still be hardware agnostic, and any thread can now submit draw calls, not just the app's main thread. It's tremendously powerful, but it's probably a complete rewrite of the drawing code to take advantage of it.

That said, Cryptic might find it worth the effort for Neverwinter, since DX12 would unlock a lot of Xbox One performance they're leaving on the table by using DX11 on a console. Would CO ever see that? Let's get DX11 support out of beta first, eh?

Might as well skip Dx11 and go straight to 12 at that point then. That being said, with the ability to make more drawcalls and better use of the GPU and performance, it might be in the best interest, because, well, imagine where we can play without having a limitation on how many objects can be loaded at once instead of the cap of 100 that it currently is. Of course that would only apply to people using Win10, and Dx12, but it would open a lot I think, and could actually do a lot of things for the development of Champions moving forward.​​

KagamiTheMagicalCatGerl

ACTUALLY:

I just today noticed that the game did look different... because comic outlining was off! So I went to turn it back on... oh, now I can't have comic outlining and anti-aliasing on at the same time? Well fine, I'll just turn AA off and turn outlining back..... comic outlining is 1 pixel thick and is aliasing on crack. T3T why you do this to me Nvidia?

championshewolf

KagamiTheMagicalCatGerl wrote: »

ACTUALLY:

I just today noticed that the game did look different... because comic outlining was off! So I went to turn it back on... oh, now I can't have comic outlining and anti-aliasing on at the same time? Well fine, I'll just turn AA off and turn outlining back..... comic outlining is 1 pixel thick and is aliasing on crack. T3T why you do this to me Nvidia?

Put the game in Dx11 mode. For some reason it doesn't like Dx9 mode with win8 or 10 it seems. Which is one reason Cryptic should fix Dx11 mode for Champions. As for the image looking crisper, seems Win10 forces an HD mode basically so all graphics kind of look sharper.​​

roughbearmattach

OMFG
I hate the new start menu--all of my start items are gone on the left pane, and the right pane had a ton of useless "apps" that I then removed.

I have to manually locate all of my frequently used programs . . . and I can't put them on the left pane of the start menu. No, each one has to become a tile?!

*sigh*

championshewolf

Uh, you can move the tiles and put them in any order, grouping or whatever you like and even make individual groups and name them as you want. You can even expand the start menu to open up more. It's actually fairly simple to use.​​

roughbearmattach

My screen resolution reset, and my screen ui went back to default size, too.
Meh.

My computer now takes about 5 minutes boot up, up from about 3 minutes.

championshewolf

Sounds like things are being installed. I turned my PC on this morning when I woke up and it literally booted up in like 8 seconds. Be sure to have all your device drivers updated, as well as video, audio, etc. All the important things. Also, might help to do a disk clean up, and consider getting rid of the old Windows stuff.​​

biffsmackwell

roughbearmattach wrote: »

OMFG
I hate the new start menu--all of my start items are gone on the left pane, and the right pane had a ton of useless "apps" that I then removed.

I have to manually locate all of my frequently used programs . . . and I can't put them on the left pane of the start menu. No, each one has to become a tile?!

*sigh*

The start menu is really more useful than before. As far as manually locating all of your programs, just open the start menu, start typing the name of the program you want, and when it comes up just right click and pin to start. Pretty easy.

Ignore that if it doesn't work like Windows 8 though. I might install 10 today.

championshewolf

So far the improvements with 10 even over 8.1 are quite noticeable. Faster load times, better game performance (I notice a 3 FPS increase in Champs for instance, though I cap my FPS at 60 since my monitor is only 60 hertz, though if I turned off the limiter I would probably see a larger improvement). Of course I am still using a technically high end card though, but people with older graphics cards should also notice a considerable upgrade to game performance and such as windows 10 alleviates a lot of bottle necking along with Dx12. Even if the game isn't programmed for Dx12 yet.

I am anxious to see what a Dx12 optimized game will be capable of. I can just imagine if Cryptic actually put the time and effort into upgrading the engine to Dx12, how many graphical issues (disappearing particles, 100 objects limit, etc) could be either alleviated or removed completely. But that's just pipe dreaming and still remains to be seen if Cryptic will try. I think, long term, it would be financially beneficial, but bean counters don't always look at long term.​​

roughbearmattach

biffsmackwell wrote: »

The start menu is really more useful than before. As far as manually locating all of your programs, just open the start menu, start typing the name of the program you want, and when it comes up just right click and pin to start. Pretty easy.

Ignore that if it doesn't work like Windows 8 though. I might install 10 today.

I don't find it more usable in any way. It doesn't do anything new I wanted or find useful.
It has much more wasted space, since the left pane of the start menu is just vacant space, and my small icons for the programs I finally located and added there leave a big chunk of blank space on the right.
Can't have a text-based list of programs in Start menu.

I am coming from Windows 7.

The ways in which the Start Menu *cannot* be customized really puzzle me. I am reminded of how Windows 7 didn't easily allow you to modify the taskbar, unlike Windows XP.

championshewolf

roughbearmattach wrote: »

biffsmackwell wrote: »

The start menu is really more useful than before. As far as manually locating all of your programs, just open the start menu, start typing the name of the program you want, and when it comes up just right click and pin to start. Pretty easy.

Ignore that if it doesn't work like Windows 8 though. I might install 10 today.

I don't find it more usable in any way. It doesn't do anything new I wanted or find useful.
It has much more wasted space, since the left pane of the start menu is just vacant space, and my small icons for the programs I finally located and added there leave a big chunk of blank space on the right.
Can't have a text-based list of programs in Start menu.

I am coming from Windows 7.

The ways in which the Start Menu *cannot* be customized really puzzle me. I am reminded of how Windows 7 didn't easily allow you to modify the taskbar, unlike Windows XP.

Now I realize you are not use to the UI, but seriously, saying it's wasted space, that's a real big stretch since all it has over there are basics and microsoft things such as the calculator, maps and whatever you have plugged in for your social network. You can also scale the size of the start window, which is quite useful.

And quite honestly, Windows 7 start menu, compared to this new one, was a mess. I been using 8.1 for a long while now and going back to do something basic on Win7 was painful to do, but the new Win10 is quite easy to use and access.

And so far I am baffled by your approximations, since the Start menu CAN be customized, in fact it's many times more customization options than the old Win7 start menu. And the task bar in Win7 could always be customized from what I recall I don't remember a point when it was unable to be customized and I started using the preview build with Win7, so I don't know what you are referring to.​​

biffsmackwell

The left side should be most used items. Didn't the Start menu always have that? Most used and pinned? Try going to Settings > Personalization > Start. From there you can choose lots of different options.

One of the reasons I find it more useful is because you can make it go fullscreen, so you can see a lot more stuff at a glance, and it's easily arranged. You may not be used to full screen at first, but how often do you need to see your desktop/open windows/open programs when you're clicking on the Start menu? I got used to that fairly quickly, and when I saw they made it smaller in Windows 10, first thing I did was switch it back to full screen. Only thing I don't like now is that it scrolls vertically, not horizontally. But I'm sure I'll get used to it.

roughbearmattach

championshewolf wrote: »

Now I realize you are not use to the UI, but seriously, saying it's wasted space, that's a real big stretch since all it has over there are basics and microsoft things such as the calculator, maps and whatever you have plugged in for your social network. You can also scale the size of the start window, which is quite useful.


And so far I am baffled by your approximations, since the Start menu CAN be customized, in fact it's many times more customization options than the old Win7 start menu. And the task bar in Win7 could always be customized from what I recall I don't remember a point when it was unable to be customized and I started using the preview build with Win7, so I don't know what you are referring to.​​

I am using a desktop computer, so things like maps and social network doesn't matter, since that is something do on my phone.

The left pane of the start menu cannot be customized other than having Frequently Used or Recently Used/Installed programs. In other words, its size can't change, nor can you have a fixed list of programs in a specific order. The order changes based on use of programs. I want the same program to be the top of the list every time. Windows 7 allowed that.

The taskbar in Windows 7 could be customized greatly, though some options (like one-click buttons for programs, not pinned shortcuts) required a bit more work to do.

roughbearmattach

biffsmackwell wrote: »

The left side should be most used items. Didn't the Start menu always have that? Most used and pinned? Try going to Settings > Personalization > Start. From there you can choose lots of different options.

One of the reasons I find it more useful is because you can make it go fullscreen, so you can see a lot more stuff at a glance, and it's easily arranged. You may not be used to full screen at first, but how often do you need to see your desktop/open windows/open programs when you're clicking on the Start menu? I got used to that fairly quickly, and when I saw they made it smaller in Windows 10, first thing I did was switch it back to full screen. Only thing I don't like now is that it scrolls vertically, not horizontally. But I'm sure I'll get used to it.

Like in the above post, the left side can't be a fixed list. Instead, it can be an ever-changing and rearranging list, based on use. I absolutely hate that. I instead just removed that option from the left pane, so it's empty.

I can't imagine ever wanting the start menu fullscreen, since then I can't view the items on my screen. I prefer to see my currently open window or program when I open the Start Menu. I am guessing you were using and liked Windows 8, like my daughter. I didn't like the Windows 8 interface at all.

The right side of the Start Menu is where you pin your programs in the place/order you want, but the MUST be tiles. You can't have a text-based list. Even the small tiles are kinda big, and because the right pane can only be resized in chunks, I have a big blank space on the right of my tiles.

Guess what bothers me is something similar to the change in Champs from the Z key to the F key, even on existing characters: add functionality, but don't remove or change any.

Having my carefully chosen and arranged start menu programs/files/folders wiped was incredibly annoying.

biffsmackwell

Hmm. Well, I never needed to look at my screen when I clicked on Start, but I see why that could be a bad choice if you do that. I agree that taking away options is bad, but I got used to the new Start menu really quickly because it just worked for me.

I didn't like the fullscreen Start menu at first because it was just a jarring change, and since I usually just roll with punches, I didn't seek out any hacks to make it work differently, but it grew on me almost right away. Felt like a positive change all around once I started using it a bit.

championshewolf

roughbearmattach wrote: »

championshewolf wrote: »

Now I realize you are not use to the UI, but seriously, saying it's wasted space, that's a real big stretch since all it has over there are basics and microsoft things such as the calculator, maps and whatever you have plugged in for your social network. You can also scale the size of the start window, which is quite useful.


And so far I am baffled by your approximations, since the Start menu CAN be customized, in fact it's many times more customization options than the old Win7 start menu. And the task bar in Win7 could always be customized from what I recall I don't remember a point when it was unable to be customized and I started using the preview build with Win7, so I don't know what you are referring to.

I am using a desktop computer, so things like maps and social network doesn't matter, since that is something do on my phone.

The left pane of the start menu cannot be customized other than having Frequently Used or Recently Used/Installed programs. In other words, its size can't change, nor can you have a fixed list of programs in a specific order. The order changes based on use of programs. I want the same program to be the top of the list every time. Windows 7 allowed that.

The taskbar in Windows 7 could be customized greatly, though some options (like one-click buttons for programs, not pinned shortcuts) required a bit more work to do.

I use a desktop to, and if a map isn't useful to you, when doing things like looking for where movies are playing, oh well. It's still not that much space unless your monitor is like some ancient thing that isn't doing anything over 320 or something like that resolution. In short, your complaint is kind of superfluous. You can adjust tile sizes and such, which I tend to dot hat for maximum space used I use put things like my IM programs in the smallest and put them in their 4x2 set up with a larger tile next to them on things like games and things I might want to read with active things like news since I do read the news, and that's where the customization of that comes in.​​

roughbearmattach

Not having a fixed list in that left pane simply makes it pointless for me. That is what I wish I could customize.
I don't understand why the only choice are nothing, recent, and most used.

roughbearmattach

I use Google Maps, so their map app is useless to me.
You can choose from a few size options, like how many tile columns wide it is. That's it, not like resizing a window.
Tile sizes have three choices, I think. There is no text or simple icon option . . . why not?

Active tiles are no good for me. I'm not interested in reading small boxes on my screen when seated at my computer, since I would rather just actually go to a news site to read full screen.

As far as saying my complaints are superfluous, I don't know what to say. I wouldn't say your opinion of Windows 10 is wrong. It's just an opinion, like mine.

Sheesh.

biffsmackwell

I agree, I wouldn't say superfluous either. When you get used to doing something one way for years, and your workflow is suddenly broken without any kind of fix in sight, it gets tedious. Even small stuff. For instance, I won't use Chrome because there's no Type-To-Search function. Yes, I know I can hit CTRL F, but why add that extra step?

Anyhoo, the tiles have little options for sizes unless they're the Windows 10 apps which can be small, medium, wide, and large. Why other non-Microsoft software don't get these options is beyond me. However, the Small size is basically just a small icon, of which you could fit plenty of in the Start menu.

chaelk

having read some of the articles on common problems.
saving stuff to external drive.
updating amd driver.
hoping I don't get the problems reported on TSW forums. I only just got my computer and internet up to getting that bloody game working.
if it doesn't work out I'll remove it and use my windows 8 disks to reinstall

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championshewolf

chaelk wrote: »

having read some of the articles on common problems.
saving stuff to external drive.
updating amd driver.
hoping I don't get the problems reported on TSW forums. I only just got my computer and internet up to getting that bloody game working.
if it doesn't work out I'll remove it and use my windows 8 disks to reinstall

I fiddled with TSW last night. Nothing changed there. Their DX11 support is still awful, inefficient and a terrible resource hog over there. Past that point TSW works just fine.​​

chaelk

their problems were windows 10/directx 12 causing stuttering but the good news is.
windows 10 has failed to install every day this week,including while I was on the computer connected to the internet today, so I changed my update settings. ​​

roughbearmattach

I'm not sure why my UI size option on Champs changed, but it did. I only had to change that back one time, though.

Here's a bit of good news, though:

I was concerned about a significant increase in boot up time, since it was approaching 5 minutes for everything to be booted up and settled.

Windows 10 gave me a notification about the long bootup time and suggested changing some things at startup, including programs that launch at startup.

I then disabled a bunch of them, some being old programs I hardly use anymore, and a couple being new apps that were part of Windows 10. I disabled those, too.

My bootup time is now shorter than with Windows 7.

aiqa

I'm having some troubles with graphical settings in CO.
When I start my computer and then CO in DX9 mode, most of the graphical options are greyed out and only low settings are available. In DX11 mode everything works, and if I first start CO in DX11 mode and then restart in DX9 mode everything work too.

At first I thought I had fixed it by installing the DX runtime from the microsoft website, but it is still happening.
Really no idea what could cause this, but I'm blaming nvidia for now.

championshewolf

aiqa wrote: »

I'm having some troubles with graphical settings in CO.
When I start my computer and then CO in DX9 mode, most of the graphical options are greyed out and only low settings are available. In DX11 mode everything works, and if I first start CO in DX11 mode and then restart in DX9 mode everything work too.

At first I thought I had fixed it by installing the DX runtime from the microsoft website, but it is still happening.
Really no idea what could cause this, but I'm blaming nvidia for now.

Swap to Dx11 mode. For some reason I could never get Dx9 to work in Champions after getting win8 and 8.1 and I figure it's the same in Win10. Once you set on Dx11 mode, all your options will be returned. Of course the problem lying there now is that the black voice spots throughout the city areas will be visible, but I guess if nothing else would get Cryptic on the ball to actually fixing Dx11 for Champions finally.​​

championshewolf

roughbearmattach wrote: »

I'm not sure why my UI size option on Champs changed, but it did. I only had to change that back one time, though.

Here's a bit of good news, though:

I was concerned about a significant increase in boot up time, since it was approaching 5 minutes for everything to be booted up and settled.

Windows 10 gave me a notification about the long bootup time and suggested changing some things at startup, including programs that launch at startup.

I then disabled a bunch of them, some being old programs I hardly use anymore, and a couple being new apps that were part of Windows 10. I disabled those, too.

My bootup time is now shorter than with Windows 7.

Crikey, how many programs did you have starting up? Win8 was a significant improvement over Win7 in boot times, even for older PCs, and when I turn on my PC I barely see my BIOS screen anymore before I am already at my PW screen to load into Win10. It's about a 5 second window from me pushing the power button on my PC to PW screen.

This makes me curious what type of set up your rig is at this point, and of course, not having a ton of programs run on startup will always help out.​​

championshewolf

chaelk wrote: »

their problems were windows 10/directx 12 causing stuttering but the good news is.
windows 10 has failed to install every day this week,including while I was on the computer connected to the internet today, so I changed my update settings.

It's always done that for me, when I was in Dx11 mode. Funnily enough it's the only Dx11 "enabled" game I've played that stutters like TSW does. So I play that in Dx9.​​

roughbearmattach

championshewolf wrote: »

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Crikey, how many programs did you have starting up? Win8 was a significant improvement over Win7 in boot times, even for older PCs, and when I turn on my PC I barely see my BIOS screen anymore before I am already at my PW screen to load into Win10. It's about a 5 second window from me pushing the power button on my PC to PW screen.

This makes me curious what type of set up your rig is at this point, and of course, not having a ton of programs run on startup will always help out.​​

I had more than I thought, including "iTunes helper" and RealPlayer. Ugh.

One of the new programs, though, came with Windows 10--One Note. It was the biggest impact on startup of all the programs. Ironically, Windows 10 told me this and suggested I disable the program on startup.

By the way, when I say "5 minutes bootup time", I don't mean time from power switch until desktop appears--that is about 30 seconds. I mean how long until all startup programs launch and until I can begin using my computer without slowdowns/waiting.

championshewolf

roughbearmattach wrote: »

championshewolf wrote: »

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Crikey, how many programs did you have starting up? Win8 was a significant improvement over Win7 in boot times, even for older PCs, and when I turn on my PC I barely see my BIOS screen anymore before I am already at my PW screen to load into Win10. It's about a 5 second window from me pushing the power button on my PC to PW screen.

This makes me curious what type of set up your rig is at this point, and of course, not having a ton of programs run on startup will always help out.

I had more than I thought, including "iTunes helper" and RealPlayer. Ugh.

One of the new programs, though, came with Windows 10--One Note. It was the biggest impact on startup of all the programs. Ironically, Windows 10 told me this and suggested I disable the program on startup.

By the way, when I say "5 minutes bootup time", I don't mean time from power switch until desktop appears--that is about 30 seconds. I mean how long until all startup programs launch and until I can begin using my computer without slowdowns/waiting.

If you mean that then 12 seconds after I type my password, so I am still curious about your rig at this point. And whether you are 32 bit or 64 bit.​​

roughbearmattach

Oh, I am running a 64 bit system, but it is pretty old. Though I've made improvements and repairs over the years, my computer is 8 years old.

championshewolf

roughbearmattach wrote: »

Oh, I am running a 64 bit system, but it is pretty old. Though I've made improvements and repairs over the years, my computer is 8 years old.

Hrmm, how much RAM, type of GPU, CPU. All of those factors can weigh heavy on that, but either way you should see an improvement not a decline since Win10 and Dx12 remove bottlenecks, unless you are using a graphics card from the stone age that doesn't even run Dx10. Like a GeForce 9 series card like a 9800 or something.​​

roughbearmattach

4 GB ram
1.86 GHz Intel Core 2 processor

I have improvements now, after the second restart. It is definitely faster--it is as if the system needed a couple reboots to finish making adjustments.

The real issue was so much stuff launching on startup. Most of it was stuff I installed in the past few years, but the OneNote app made an impact, too. Once all that was turned off, things are looking up. The "Most Used" list in the left pane only shows Microsoft programs and Apps.

It doesn't show Champs, iTunes, or Firefox, which are actually my most used applications.


I still don't like the way the start menu works.

championshewolf

You can put Champs, iTunes and Firefox on the start menu (though I really just pin google to the task bar anyways, along with other programs I care about). You can name the task it falls under even. You can do one of two things. Manually look for the program you want to start through File Explorer (the folder icon) and when you find it, right click it and select pin to start or pin to task bar. If you pin it to start should create a tile and then all you have to do is move it and drag it around the start menu to where you want it to be.

Pinning it to the task bar will just leave the icon there always even when not active.

The other method is to use Cortana, which is basically the new search function. Just click the little O ring looking thing if you don't have her bar open then put say Champions in the Ask Me Anything bar, and in the lower left, you will see a Windows Icon followed by My Stuff, which will let you search your PC for what you are looking for. You can then pin it to start from there and be done with it.

Once you have what you want there you can resize the tiles (non-windows can do medium and small, or at least until developers start supporting the tiling feature) by right clicking it and selecting resize. You can move it around and create new groups. You can even create some interesting patterns if you are artsy fartsy with your tiles or very uniform if you are OCD like I am. You can name the tiling group to by clicking the bar over them and create new groups by placing a tile in an empty space in the start menu tile area. It's really nice set up. And if you need to see more tiles at once, just click and drag the right side and you can make the start menu as big as you need.

As far as RAM goes... 4 gigs is rather low in this day and age. But with an old system that might not be an option for you to increase.​​

eiledon

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/4103/windows-10-tip-customize-and-configure-start

Not a bad list​​

roughbearmattach

championshewolf wrote: »

Once you have what you want there you can resize the tiles (non-windows can do medium and small, or at least until developers start supporting the tiling feature) by right clicking it and selecting resize. You can move it around and create new groups. You can even create some interesting patterns if you are artsy fartsy with your tiles or very uniform if you are OCD like I am. You can name the tiling group to by clicking the bar over them and create new groups by placing a tile in an empty space in the start menu tile area. It's really nice set up. And if you need to see more tiles at once, just click and drag the right side and you can make the start menu as big as you need.
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You can't choose:

1. To have text entries/list -- you must have tiles
2. You can't have something smaller than "small tiles"--can't just have an icon
3. You can't move the tiles to the LEFT pane of the start menu, and then close the right pane entirely.

That last one is the one I really, really want. I want the Start menu to have a single, sleek column, and still be able to see nearly the entire screen. It's worth noting that even if you make a single column of small tiles in the Start menu right pane, you can't make the pane smaller than medium tiles anyway.

It's also crazy that the "Most Used" list includes Microsoft Word (which I have used once since update), but none of the programs I actually use frequently.

championshewolf

roughbearmattach wrote: »

championshewolf wrote: »

Once you have what you want there you can resize the tiles (non-windows can do medium and small, or at least until developers start supporting the tiling feature) by right clicking it and selecting resize. You can move it around and create new groups. You can even create some interesting patterns if you are artsy fartsy with your tiles or very uniform if you are OCD like I am. You can name the tiling group to by clicking the bar over them and create new groups by placing a tile in an empty space in the start menu tile area. It's really nice set up. And if you need to see more tiles at once, just click and drag the right side and you can make the start menu as big as you need.

You can't choose:

1. To have text entries/list -- you must have tiles
2. You can't have something smaller than "small tiles"--can't just have an icon
3. You can't move the tiles to the LEFT pane of the start menu, and then close the right pane entirely.

That last one is the one I really, really want. I want the Start menu to have a single, sleek column, and still be able to see nearly the entire screen. It's worth noting that even if you make a single column of small tiles in the Start menu right pane, you can't make the pane smaller than medium tiles anyway.

It's also crazy that the "Most Used" list includes Microsoft Word (which I have used once since update), but none of the programs I actually use frequently.

Eh, give it time. Updates to windows are suppose to be faster, so who knows they might add that option. Your number 1 and number 2 make no sense to me since if you know your programs you should know the icons then, and your number 3 probably will be handled in time.​​

chaelk

you can turn off tablet mode, just spotted something about it, now if I can remember which page it was on.
meanwhile it keep s trying to update when my computer isn't on or when I'm playing a game and don't see it.​​

chaelk

ok finally got it downloaded, now to see if it does anything to CO

got in.
got booted.
trying to get back in, it's stuck at patching
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sistersilicon

There seems to have been a run of slow/weird/broken patching lately. I've heard that a Force Verify pass has cleared things up for some folks.

chaelk

minor problem,
it won't let me force verify
hitting the cancel button does nothing.
here's an odd hint, the big spikes are when it contacts account
the flat area is when it's doing the patching.
8kps in and out.
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