Drag racing in the streets is (usually) against the law, Drunk driving is against the law.
When people break those rules they can be caught and dealt with, and possibly go to prison.
This is a game, like a sport, or a board game and the games are dictated by the rules of the designers.
We are their mercy for the rules they do or do not implement, for the gear the implement.
It's their environment, we just play in it.
Football, Soccer, Rugby, Ice Hockey, Basketball - anything that players/teams can get away with without outright breaking they do.
That's competition, that's the reality of human nature.
When something is bad for the game, usually the organizations that control those games step in and make changes to a rule.
That's what a lot of us always hope Cryptic will do, but that's not the business they're in.
Absolving cryptic of even the tiniest fraction tastes like Stockholm syndrome.
Let's not forget a lot of those guys are vaping in premades against coordinated resistance, teams running coordinated grav well spam, subnuc <playername> target binds with subspace jump consoles, and not cruisers FAWing borg cubes for loot.
So yeah, premade vapers have to build for some element of survivability or the whole team loses.
i.e. Not kirk play.
The people "doing it right" are doing it in a completely different environment with a completely different purpose.
I have no issue with you doing it your way in the environment you do it in - but I think you sometimes forget the rest of variables doing it in arena matches.
Sorry if this came off as harsh, but you seemed to want this one.
still hoping for that hobo a team vs pandas premade game. the one where u guys lose to the mega squish tac bop. its coming soon to a briar patch near you. as the number one variable is beign alive or dead, when ur enemy team is all dead, what else matters! how much bloodwine u can drink before they respawn! qapla!
a GREAT time to point out the op was using subspace field modulator at the time of hit, he recieved a non crit hit of
91347(55860)
now come and talk some more smack about how only no skill noob vapers do this. and please show me anyone who does this ever.
Pretty good, I wonder whats the highest non crit shot ever done? I never kept track myself but I think highest lately I have been getting is around 30k non crit, but thats with old gear.
still hoping for that hobo a team vs pandas premade game. the one where u guys lose to the mega squish tac bop. its coming soon to a briar patch near you. as the number one variable is beign alive or dead, when ur enemy team is all dead, what else matters! how much bloodwine u can drink before they respawn! qapla!
Lol, feel free to talk to the guys and set one up.
[rant] Imo, it's pretty sad that out of 12 bridge officer abilities, only 1 is purely offensive (T:HY1, as I use Subsystem attacks whole time). Yeah, I manage to survive vapers (sometimes, provided I react in time and activate 2 defensive abilities in addition to 2 prebuffed ones), but even after that I don't have enough damage nor speed to catch those escaping...
I'm now thinking about getting whole Solanae set on my Fleet Recon Sci, slotting all 6 Mk I white phaser turrets, Feedback Pulse 3 (in addition to FBP2 I have whole time) and bait people into selfdestructing themselves... [/rant]
Anyway, those few times I find someone similar to me (at least in gear) I have very enjoyable PvP games and don't want to quit it. Had very enjoyable duel with one Raptor recently and only reason I lost is that I mistimed SubNuc. I'd just like to use whole science arsenal without worrying that I'll die from one beam (overload) attack...
Granted, I'm still bad in PvP and often have slow reactions or mistime abilities, but I want to get better and it's just depressing when I get matched against people who basically camp on me and vape me as soon as I respawn without any chances to react, let alone defend myself.
a GREAT time to point out the op was using subspace field modulator at the time of hit, he recieved a non crit hit of 91347(55860)
Actually, I wasn't running SFM at the time. Why? Because I *knew* you were coming and that SFM made me more susceptible to Proton attacks (one of those rare moments when SFM actually *hurts* hull integrity - kudos to Cryptic for creating a way to exploit yet another obscure weakness).
In fact, I had a full 5 minutes to sit there and figure out what I was going to try differently this time around. For example, I decided to swap out my Fleet shield for Adapted MACO (i.e. Fed version of the KHG) to get a higher cap. I also dropped Nukara and added a Field Gen, pushing my cap to over 13K (normally a bit over 8K with the Fleet shield).
Of course, I also popped PH at the first sign of trouble which, when you factor in the 2x Fleet Neuts, brought all of my resists to nearly 50%
Basically, my ship was as fortified as I could make it without turning it into a flying armor console. It would have taken a 4-5 escort ganker team to bring me down using traditional weapons, and then only after pounding on my for some time. So combined with some (hopefully) quick reflexes, I figured I at least should have a shot at surviving.
Net Result: The worst non-crit hit I've ever taken, and perhaps one of the biggest ever recorded in the game (again, non-crit).
I'm not a bad player...in fact, I got pretty good at countering the pre-Proton vaper methods (Mini used to get me maybe 1 or 2 out of 5 tries, if that). But for this, there is no counter, and to me it signals that the game is truly broken...
Actually, I wasn't running SFM at the time. Why? Because I *knew* you were coming and that SFM made me more susceptible to Proton attacks (one of those rare moments when SFM actually *hurts* hull integrity - kudos to Cryptic for creating a way to exploit yet another obscure weakness).
In fact, I had a full 5 minutes to sit there and figure out what I was going to try differently this time around. For example, I decided to swap out my Fleet shield for Adapted MACO (i.e. Fed version of the KHG) to get a higher cap. I also dropped Nukara and added a Field Gen, pushing my cap to over 13K (normally a bit over 8K with the Fleet shield).
Of course, I also popped PH at the first sign of trouble which, when you factor in the 2x Fleet Neuts, brought all of my resists to nearly 50%
Basically, my ship was as fortified as I could make it without turning it into a flying armor console. It would have taken a 4-5 escort ganker team to bring me down using traditional weapons, and then only after pounding on my for some time. So combined with some (hopefully) quick reflexes, I figured I at least should have a shot at surviving.
Net Result: The worst non-crit hit I've ever taken, and perhaps one of the biggest ever recorded in the game (again, non-crit).
I'm not a bad player...in fact, I got pretty good at countering the pre-Proton vaper methods (Mini used to get me maybe 1 or 2 out of 5 tries, if that). But for this, there is no counter, and to me it signals that the game is truly broken...
RCK
You should not sweat it too much - proton barrage is the games most op - stupid over the top gimmick. There is no doubt that Emoe is a skilled captain, but no player should regularly be putting out hits with figures like 90k(115k) which I have seen him do. I'm sorry but that is the damage output of the pre-nerf estf Borg HY plasma torps. Those are stupid numbers.
Seriously it is an MMO. At LEAST if you go in with a friend and get roflstomped you can group hug and have a grand ole time together. If you go in solo and get roflstomped, that's like the slow learning wilderbeest culling itself from the herd. Nothing gnu there.
I feel sorry for RCK. He and I usually team up if we are online at the same time but alas, we are from very different time zone. Mini doesn't get to pick on RCK when I am around because I vape Mini easily he can't see me but I can see him. On any given day, I can blow up Mini 10 times in a row to the point without giving him even the chance of firing back that I get bored of going after him. I remember last week, RCK, me and Stipe were setting the dinner table for Mini to come by hanging RCK out as the bait - Mini never even bothered to try. Well, we were taunting Mini in the chat so he knew it was a trap to ambush RCK and Mini doesn't like to get vaped before he had the chance to eat his target.
Sadly, I have come to the conclusion the only way to handle Kerrat is :
1) Romulan
2) Need a cloak, preferably Battlecloak or better
3) Set up for burst dmg
Anything else, you are a prime candidate for Klingon ganking and vapers coming after you.
kudos for avoiding the underlying complaint from the op. how much damage is too much damage from one single attack is a discussion best left to another thread. i wont stop until i put a million on the board in one volley (600k best atm). then ill go for 2 million!!!!!!!!!!!!!
plus lets all not forget that MY one shot build is the epitome of squish, i could not literally give them a better chance to kill me barring afking uncloaked. if theres antyhgin problematic in this game its the people who DO IT RIGHT, sure they cant get the insane damage i can, but as naz says> why bother (if u r actually trying to win and not just get big numbers) and their survivability goes thru the roof
frankly itsFREESH and AWESOME that the kdf has somethign in its corner now. even just difference between 40k and 50k base proton is enough to get me playing my long dead/idle kdf toon. i claim a huge success for craptic here....
Ever since you acquire your Proton Barrage toy, I wise up and shelve my Fed toons from Kerrat. Since then, I am happy to report I was never hit by it, not even once. I am sure the Feds in Kerrat will wise up and more and more will come in cloaks such that well, your build may be out of the commission even before the dev hits the nerf hammer.
Star Trek Online originally captured my heart for one thing and one thing only - it's PvP. Now it's getting harder and harder to say which part of PvP is player vs player and which part is player vs gear.
I pulled this particular part out of this post because of its trueness. The bolded part could not have been said better.
Interesting...I'd heard about cannon build Excelsiors, but yours looks like it might actually work. Would be interesting to face off with you some day just to see what kind of dmg you could do against my build.
With all those RCS and Turn-modifed consoles I bet that thing spins like a top...relatively speaking, of course.
RCK
Ric, Victor, I don't always agree with you guys on stuff, but I will agree about the love of the glory that is the Excelsior.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
I worked for a time in Interplay and then at Activision during the late 90's. I was there when games like Star Trek: Armada was on the drawing table and being planned out. These games was "old style" single/multiplay games.
Did games like Armada have issues? Yes, turret rush for one, but it was counterable. Did games like Star Trek: Starfleet Command have issues? Yes, but again, counterable. I worked in the gaming industry at a time when the industry itself put in balance and checks.
Here's another fact... if this was the 90's, or even up to 2003 when the original Star Trek games license got suspended, and Cryptic was running STO under the auspices of Activision or Interplay and this mess was getting released then Cryptic would have been SHUT DOWN...
It is Cryptics fault mainly for not doing Game Design 101, there should be at least a half counter or a full counter to any major damage dealing entity or weapon in a game. Fact is in this game for a lot of the big damage dealing weapons and kit outs...there isnt. That shows complete and utter lack of forethought to game mechanics on the part of the developer.
Thanks for your insights. I remember those games back then, it shows how old I am.
I agree with what you said, it's unfortunate Cryptic doesn't know how to balance this game, which is forcing someone like me to literaly hide in an enhanced battlecloaking ship that I actually dislike. I mean a T'Varo? Come on, do you see how ugly this ship is? But if I want to do any form of PvP in Kerrat, there is no other alternative. This game is full of vapers. Cryptic nerfed double tap so that people can quadruple tap now + Proton Barrage. :rolleyes: Just unbelievable...
Against normal tradtional "vaper" builds there are defenses.
Against cloaked proton barage there is no defense.
The one thing in the game more broken the faw right now is proton barage. Its a stupid mechanic. I have not idea what cryptic was smoking when they created it.
The OP is willing to fly around and try to tank double taps and all the other gimmick builds with ion beams and stacked click consoles.
At least as stupid as it is most of that stuff can be defended. Ion beam doesn't really do big dmg unless it gets its negative charge proc... and iso requires multiple targets and wise firing somewhat... Still easy mode to me... but at least it takes some skill.
Lets be honest PB takes zero skill... less then building and using a proper faw setup.
Its a vapers dream skill I guess I don't blame people for using it, I blame Cryptic for thinking it was a good idea.
6 kilometer Range; 90 degree Cone
0.5 sec activate
1 min 30 sec recharge
to target: 3,422 Proton damage (ignores shields) {this is base not counting full aux ect}
100% chance to strip one buff
50% chance to strip one buff
25% chance to strip one buff
I mean look at that... we all know what happens if you pop every buff you have and run a few proton dmg buff consoles your golden. Like I have said I used it for awhile to try it out... and the first time I saw a player take a 70kk hit to there hull and go boom, I realized it was BS and changed my build. lol
Well stated, which is why I never bother with the Dyson set. It's such BS TRIBBLE that I am not going to get caught using it. I am sticking with the old fashioned MACO, Adapted MACO and JemHadar Set, adding a few independent engines in the mix - nothing else. Come to think of it, the only thing Dyson on my ship are the Spire Tact consoles. Every other console, other than Romulan specific items such singularity stabilizer and destable plasma torp, are all from pre-LoR seasons.
TRIBBLE like Proton Barrage is the reason why I deem my Fed toons unsuitable for PvP even though they fly some beautiful canon ships with innovative designs that are very popular with some some hard-core STO PvE fans and followers. I get PM all the time about them but sadly, they have been shelved and I stop supporting those threads. I mean it's pointless. What am I suppose to tell people who wants to fly a Pure Sci Wells for PvP? There is nothing to be said because as soon as someone is using the Proton Barrage TRIBBLE, all the design in the world wont' save you. Well, handling Mini alone is fine with proton barrage so long as you keep your speed up, you can keep your finger on a console like subspace jump to thwart his attack since the punchline of proton barrage is its ability to neutralize things like RSP and FBP but proton barrage can't hit a target that it can't track. The problem is Mini doesn't usually fly alone, there is usually a pack of hungry Klink vapers nearby, throwing all kind of cheese at you.
Of all the ships in STO, we are realistically reduce down on a handful of choices that can be counted on one hand, this is how sad it is.
For a while, I enjoyed the challenge of surviving the "gank" in Ker'rat, or outsmarting Mini and Zenith in their "vaper" builds. But lately, with the endless power creep and ridiculous damage levels from proton weapons (95K through full shields and with 2x fleet neutroniums + the mark 12 borg 2-piece), it just isn't worth the effort.
I spent years grinding out ships and gear - fleet defiant/excelsior, all the Omega sets, then the fleet weapons/shield, then the embassy consoles, and now the fleet spire consoles - only to get "pwned" by 1 shot glass cannons that wouldn't last 5 seconds against me out in the open. STO has gone from a game of skill and timing to one of waiting for the next insta-vaper to roll into the war zone and then hoping he picks on someone else for a change (they never do - I've become a vape-magnet).
So, with that, I'm done with STO for a while. Here's hoping Season 9 provides some incentive to return. But for now, cya...
RCK
RCK, please don't go. If you go, I won't have a bodyguard anymore in Kerrat. I will have to fend for myself alone. It is rare that the Proton Barrage can hit that kind of crazy numbers. I don't know what transpired since I wasn't there. I suspect though the 95K number is most likely the result of a combination of bugs and other unintended exploits.
In any event, with so many complaints about Proton Barrage, I am confident Proton Barrage will be nerfed by Season 9, which is April. The Dev knows it's broken but given that the Dyson reputation is the main attraction of S8, Cryptic will do nothing to touch it for now. But once S8 is history, so will Proton Barrage. In fact, I suspect more than Proton Barrage, a lot of vaper ability such as being able to use Iso, Ion, Tetryon cascade, bo and etc. simultaneously will also be prevented as well. There is really no other way, and when that happens, Mini is going to cry a river like when double tap was nerfed because a one trick pony is just a one trick noob.
I will take a break. If I have time to think on it and i think it's worth it, maybe I will come back. Otherwise ... some day I will log on just to say bye to my friends.
But more importantly. HORROR you cant leave us!!!! The KDF is small enough as it is, we cant afford to start losing top players like you.
Karrock/Karreck/Darth Karrock/Unspoken House of Beautiful Orions PUNISH THE FEDs
And this is exactly why I don't do pvp. Too many players who are in it for the maximum amount of power in the strongest ship. Players like this kill online games, because they're the ones who push for more power, more power, more power. Instead of using what's available, they cry about it not being strong enough, because they aren't pwning everyone like they do in the other games they play. So cryptic sees dollar signs and happily obliges the crybaby with an extremely op'd weapon, and then changes everything else to work around this 1 item.
So, why do players who insist on being able to one-shot everyone else not play games where that is the point? Last I checked, star trek was about fairly evenly matched ships and long, drawn out fights, with each ship struggling to gain a tactical advantage over the other by getting in the best possible position. This is what most of us want to see. That's what I came for. If this game continues on the road its currently on, then it'll end up being another crappy, dps centered POS like EVE and WoW.
And this is exactly why I don't do pvp. Too many players who are in it for the maximum amount of power in the strongest ship. Players like this kill online games, because they're the ones who push for more power, more power, more power.
That's what I came for. If this game continues on the road its currently on, then it'll end up being another crappy, dps centered POS like EVE and WoW.
Im afraid you are seriously behind the curve if you thing this game isnt dps centered already. And pvpers, for the most part, arent the ones begging for more and more powerful stuffs.
Karrock/Karreck/Darth Karrock/Unspoken House of Beautiful Orions PUNISH THE FEDs
spirit of stardagger returned? i havent heard such vitriolic hate for my style of play since he died.
if its so easy how come u arent doing it? i keep seeign fail 30k crits from the most "leet" (self proclaimed) pvpers around. im afraid ive yet to see many milk a gdf turn around and bring 100k pain base dmg alpha. its actually pathetic that u dont even need barrage, all u need is bo doff proc and 2 dhc crits. let alone tetrion cascade, iso, etc. but this isnt about the potential of damage dealign powers in the game. this is about PEOPLE QUITTING BECUS THEY LOST
too bad i didnt phone it in the last year when my kdf was perpetually outshined, outgunned, and outclassed by roms. TOO BAD FOR YOU
Mini if you can't understand how an item that is a dmg type that is not a part of the standard res pool. Is capable of achieving enough base dmg to crit for 50-100, is a bit broken there is no hope for you. I have never said you had no skill. You have some talent when it comes to timing runs. Pracitce helps its the only playstyle you have ever really played. If you where not the best at the one thing you have done at all in a game I know you have played for thousands of hours I would suggest you delete your toon. Most of us that have been around as long as you have gotten bored with only one playstyle and have spent lots of time playing many roles.
Seeing as you want to go public with it I'll come out and say exactly what I think. I respect the work you have put into perfecting your runs. What saddens me is your reliance on gimmick pieces the last few months. You don't need ION beam to kill people... or Proton Barage... yet you seem to lean on them pretty heavy. Perhaps I'm wrong, to me though it doesn't come across as a big win when I see you post 20 100k crits in the Opvp all night long when you are playing... it saddens me that you consider them victories. Gone are the Tric crit posts replaced by amateurish Proton barage crits.
Also, yes I have hit 70ks with it on people which is the main reason I decided to put it away... frankly I got a kill on a friend that was around a 70k crit and I felt dirty there was no skill involved at all it was a total gear kill and there was no victory feeling in it at all.
Mini if you can't understand how an item that is a dmg type that is not a part of the standard res pool. Is capable of achieving enough base dmg to crit for 50-100, is a bit broken there is no hope for you. I have never said you had no skill. You have some talent when it comes to timing runs. Pracitce helps its the only playstyle you have ever really played. If you where not the best at the one thing you have done at all in a game I know you have played for thousands of hours I would suggest you delete your toon. Most of us that have been around as long as you have gotten bored with only one playstyle and have spent lots of time playing many roles.
Seeing as you want to go public with it I'll come out and say exactly what I think. I respect the work you have put into perfecting your runs. What saddens me is your reliance on gimmick pieces the last few months. You don't need ION beam to kill people... or Proton Barage... yet you seem to lean on them pretty heavy. Perhaps I'm wrong, to me though it doesn't come across as a big win when I see you post 20 100k crits in the Opvp all night long when you are playing... it saddens me that you consider them victories. Gone are the Tric crit posts replaced by amateurish Proton barage crits.
Also, yes I have hit 70ks with it on people which is the main reason I decided to put it away... frankly I got a kill on a friend that was around a 70k crit and I felt dirty there was no skill involved at all it was a total gear kill and there was no victory feeling in it at all.
nothign is sacred. ion or proton isnt any more fair*than iso, tetrion, regular bo
its new tho, somethign different. not even the best play, raw ion is. point is u can play sci and other builds ill keep doing what im doing, maybe a lil different one day to the next. cheers and no hard feelings to op or any posters (except duck dynasty: you will cry that jacob is gone to protect ur slimy fed rom kvork!)
nothign is sacred. ion or proton isnt any more fair*than iso, tetrion, regular bo
its new tho, somethign different. not even the best play, raw ion is. point is u can play sci and other builds ill keep doing what im doing, maybe a lil different one day to the next. cheers and no hard feelings to op or any posters (except duck dynasty: you will cry that jacob is gone to protect ur slimy fed rom kvork!)
Please go back to the iso/ion/BO/qtorp you were doing before.
At least then people can use their shields against the vape!
Using proton and gravitorps is gonna make you lazy mini!
(I won't diss on your vaping skill though, cause you got it.)
Also, why in the blazes did cryptic decide to make the gravitorps and proton barrage bypass shields and hull resist?
I reckon it has something to do with the fact proton damage isnt something neutroniums or shield resists are listed as covering, i bet they simply dont. Never actually tested it.
It was always assumed proton damage would be so insignificant that I never bothered to try out defenses for it. (and off the top of my head, none at all exist)
Perhaps thats the place to start. Ion damage and proton damage resistances. My guess is currently proton barrage is hitting your ship as if it had zero armor of any kind.
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still hoping for that hobo a team vs pandas premade game. the one where u guys lose to the mega squish tac bop. its coming soon to a briar patch near you. as the number one variable is beign alive or dead, when ur enemy team is all dead, what else matters! how much bloodwine u can drink before they respawn! qapla!
91347(55860)
now come and talk some more smack about how only no skill noob vapers do this. and please show me anyone who does this ever.
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Pfft Emoejoe couldn't even pop me in my NWS dhelan with only HE1 as a heal! :P
True story.
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
Pretty good, I wonder whats the highest non crit shot ever done? I never kept track myself but I think highest lately I have been getting is around 30k non crit, but thats with old gear.
Lol, feel free to talk to the guys and set one up.
Sounds like fun. Qapla!
Someone better tape it and post it so we can all watch the replay.
Turn off Camera Shake!
And uh...some decent music.
edit: How about - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD9G9tG7WXQ - ?
Ahem, lol...lol...lol.
Said he was going to.
Fleet Admiral Rylana - Fed Tac - U.S.S Wild Card - Tactical Miracle Worker Cruiser
Lifetime Subscriber since 2012 == 17,200 Accolades = RIP PvP and Vice Squad
Chief of Starfleet Intelligence Service == Praise Cheesus
Motion sickness...nausea...headache...foul mood.
[rant] Imo, it's pretty sad that out of 12 bridge officer abilities, only 1 is purely offensive (T:HY1, as I use Subsystem attacks whole time). Yeah, I manage to survive vapers (sometimes, provided I react in time and activate 2 defensive abilities in addition to 2 prebuffed ones), but even after that I don't have enough damage nor speed to catch those escaping...
I'm now thinking about getting whole Solanae set on my Fleet Recon Sci, slotting all 6 Mk I white phaser turrets, Feedback Pulse 3 (in addition to FBP2 I have whole time) and bait people into selfdestructing themselves... [/rant]
Anyway, those few times I find someone similar to me (at least in gear) I have very enjoyable PvP games and don't want to quit it. Had very enjoyable duel with one Raptor recently and only reason I lost is that I mistimed SubNuc. I'd just like to use whole science arsenal without worrying that I'll die from one beam (overload) attack...
Granted, I'm still bad in PvP and often have slow reactions or mistime abilities, but I want to get better and it's just depressing when I get matched against people who basically camp on me and vape me as soon as I respawn without any chances to react, let alone defend myself.
Actually, I wasn't running SFM at the time. Why? Because I *knew* you were coming and that SFM made me more susceptible to Proton attacks (one of those rare moments when SFM actually *hurts* hull integrity - kudos to Cryptic for creating a way to exploit yet another obscure weakness).
In fact, I had a full 5 minutes to sit there and figure out what I was going to try differently this time around. For example, I decided to swap out my Fleet shield for Adapted MACO (i.e. Fed version of the KHG) to get a higher cap. I also dropped Nukara and added a Field Gen, pushing my cap to over 13K (normally a bit over 8K with the Fleet shield).
Of course, I also popped PH at the first sign of trouble which, when you factor in the 2x Fleet Neuts, brought all of my resists to nearly 50%
Basically, my ship was as fortified as I could make it without turning it into a flying armor console. It would have taken a 4-5 escort ganker team to bring me down using traditional weapons, and then only after pounding on my for some time. So combined with some (hopefully) quick reflexes, I figured I at least should have a shot at surviving.
Net Result: The worst non-crit hit I've ever taken, and perhaps one of the biggest ever recorded in the game (again, non-crit).
I'm not a bad player...in fact, I got pretty good at countering the pre-Proton vaper methods (Mini used to get me maybe 1 or 2 out of 5 tries, if that). But for this, there is no counter, and to me it signals that the game is truly broken...
RCK
You should not sweat it too much - proton barrage is the games most op - stupid over the top gimmick. There is no doubt that Emoe is a skilled captain, but no player should regularly be putting out hits with figures like 90k(115k) which I have seen him do. I'm sorry but that is the damage output of the pre-nerf estf Borg HY plasma torps. Those are stupid numbers.
I feel sorry for RCK. He and I usually team up if we are online at the same time but alas, we are from very different time zone. Mini doesn't get to pick on RCK when I am around because I vape Mini easily he can't see me but I can see him. On any given day, I can blow up Mini 10 times in a row to the point without giving him even the chance of firing back that I get bored of going after him. I remember last week, RCK, me and Stipe were setting the dinner table for Mini to come by hanging RCK out as the bait - Mini never even bothered to try. Well, we were taunting Mini in the chat so he knew it was a trap to ambush RCK and Mini doesn't like to get vaped before he had the chance to eat his target.
Sadly, I have come to the conclusion the only way to handle Kerrat is :
1) Romulan
2) Need a cloak, preferably Battlecloak or better
3) Set up for burst dmg
Anything else, you are a prime candidate for Klingon ganking and vapers coming after you.
Ever since you acquire your Proton Barrage toy, I wise up and shelve my Fed toons from Kerrat. Since then, I am happy to report I was never hit by it, not even once. I am sure the Feds in Kerrat will wise up and more and more will come in cloaks such that well, your build may be out of the commission even before the dev hits the nerf hammer.
I pulled this particular part out of this post because of its trueness. The bolded part could not have been said better.
Ric, Victor, I don't always agree with you guys on stuff, but I will agree about the love of the glory that is the Excelsior.
Thanks for your insights. I remember those games back then, it shows how old I am.
I agree with what you said, it's unfortunate Cryptic doesn't know how to balance this game, which is forcing someone like me to literaly hide in an enhanced battlecloaking ship that I actually dislike. I mean a T'Varo? Come on, do you see how ugly this ship is? But if I want to do any form of PvP in Kerrat, there is no other alternative. This game is full of vapers. Cryptic nerfed double tap so that people can quadruple tap now + Proton Barrage. :rolleyes: Just unbelievable...
Well stated, which is why I never bother with the Dyson set. It's such BS TRIBBLE that I am not going to get caught using it. I am sticking with the old fashioned MACO, Adapted MACO and JemHadar Set, adding a few independent engines in the mix - nothing else. Come to think of it, the only thing Dyson on my ship are the Spire Tact consoles. Every other console, other than Romulan specific items such singularity stabilizer and destable plasma torp, are all from pre-LoR seasons.
TRIBBLE like Proton Barrage is the reason why I deem my Fed toons unsuitable for PvP even though they fly some beautiful canon ships with innovative designs that are very popular with some some hard-core STO PvE fans and followers. I get PM all the time about them but sadly, they have been shelved and I stop supporting those threads. I mean it's pointless. What am I suppose to tell people who wants to fly a Pure Sci Wells for PvP? There is nothing to be said because as soon as someone is using the Proton Barrage TRIBBLE, all the design in the world wont' save you. Well, handling Mini alone is fine with proton barrage so long as you keep your speed up, you can keep your finger on a console like subspace jump to thwart his attack since the punchline of proton barrage is its ability to neutralize things like RSP and FBP but proton barrage can't hit a target that it can't track. The problem is Mini doesn't usually fly alone, there is usually a pack of hungry Klink vapers nearby, throwing all kind of cheese at you.
Of all the ships in STO, we are realistically reduce down on a handful of choices that can be counted on one hand, this is how sad it is.
RCK, please don't go. If you go, I won't have a bodyguard anymore in Kerrat. I will have to fend for myself alone. It is rare that the Proton Barrage can hit that kind of crazy numbers. I don't know what transpired since I wasn't there. I suspect though the 95K number is most likely the result of a combination of bugs and other unintended exploits.
In any event, with so many complaints about Proton Barrage, I am confident Proton Barrage will be nerfed by Season 9, which is April. The Dev knows it's broken but given that the Dyson reputation is the main attraction of S8, Cryptic will do nothing to touch it for now. But once S8 is history, so will Proton Barrage. In fact, I suspect more than Proton Barrage, a lot of vaper ability such as being able to use Iso, Ion, Tetryon cascade, bo and etc. simultaneously will also be prevented as well. There is really no other way, and when that happens, Mini is going to cry a river like when double tap was nerfed because a one trick pony is just a one trick noob.
I want to watch too! And for once, I will root for HOBO!
I notice you seem to be implying that KDF are the only ones who vape, meanwhile encouraging feds to bring cloaks. Seems odd.
But more importantly. HORROR you cant leave us!!!! The KDF is small enough as it is, we cant afford to start losing top players like you.
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I am sorry, first of all, I am not a top player and secondly, I am not KDF. I don't have any KDF toon you must have confused me for someone else.
So, why do players who insist on being able to one-shot everyone else not play games where that is the point? Last I checked, star trek was about fairly evenly matched ships and long, drawn out fights, with each ship struggling to gain a tactical advantage over the other by getting in the best possible position. This is what most of us want to see. That's what I came for. If this game continues on the road its currently on, then it'll end up being another crappy, dps centered POS like EVE and WoW.
Yes yes sorry, second part was meant for pokersmith1 aka HORROR who commented earlier. should have quoted him also. /fixed
Im afraid you are seriously behind the curve if you thing this game isnt dps centered already. And pvpers, for the most part, arent the ones begging for more and more powerful stuffs.
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Mini if you can't understand how an item that is a dmg type that is not a part of the standard res pool. Is capable of achieving enough base dmg to crit for 50-100, is a bit broken there is no hope for you. I have never said you had no skill. You have some talent when it comes to timing runs. Pracitce helps its the only playstyle you have ever really played. If you where not the best at the one thing you have done at all in a game I know you have played for thousands of hours I would suggest you delete your toon. Most of us that have been around as long as you have gotten bored with only one playstyle and have spent lots of time playing many roles.
Seeing as you want to go public with it I'll come out and say exactly what I think. I respect the work you have put into perfecting your runs. What saddens me is your reliance on gimmick pieces the last few months. You don't need ION beam to kill people... or Proton Barage... yet you seem to lean on them pretty heavy. Perhaps I'm wrong, to me though it doesn't come across as a big win when I see you post 20 100k crits in the Opvp all night long when you are playing... it saddens me that you consider them victories. Gone are the Tric crit posts replaced by amateurish Proton barage crits.
Also, yes I have hit 70ks with it on people which is the main reason I decided to put it away... frankly I got a kill on a friend that was around a 70k crit and I felt dirty there was no skill involved at all it was a total gear kill and there was no victory feeling in it at all.
nothign is sacred. ion or proton isnt any more fair*than iso, tetrion, regular bo
its new tho, somethign different. not even the best play, raw ion is. point is u can play sci and other builds ill keep doing what im doing, maybe a lil different one day to the next. cheers and no hard feelings to op or any posters (except duck dynasty: you will cry that jacob is gone to protect ur slimy fed rom kvork!)
Please go back to the iso/ion/BO/qtorp you were doing before.
At least then people can use their shields against the vape!
Using proton and gravitorps is gonna make you lazy mini!
(I won't diss on your vaping skill though, cause you got it.)
Also, why in the blazes did cryptic decide to make the gravitorps and proton barrage bypass shields and hull resist?
It was always assumed proton damage would be so insignificant that I never bothered to try out defenses for it. (and off the top of my head, none at all exist)
Perhaps thats the place to start. Ion damage and proton damage resistances. My guess is currently proton barrage is hitting your ship as if it had zero armor of any kind.
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