yeah, a section for labeling issues would seem to be in order.
So I took a look over lunch at what you were talking about and it looks like a bunch of the costumes are related to the Odyssey's docking procedure. However, I don't even think we have to tools to make use of such a thing. I'm almost inclined to recommend that these transitional NPCs be removed. Not sure how I'll list that.
It looks like all the ships capable of separation have these multiple versions with only the Promethus having its sections properly labeled. I'll go through the costume list when I get a chance and see if I can sort out which version should be called what.
I lose the ability to copy and paste the group. I'm not trying to copy an actor of the group, but the whole group. I can do it again by restarting the foundry.
I loss the ability to copy and paste the group. I'm not trying to copy an actor of the group, but the whole group. I can do it again by restarting the foundry.
But when drag multiselecting NPC groups the actors get selected as well as the group. When you multi-select a group, it selects everything. The only way to get it to copy is to manually deselect all the actors. If this is NOT the case then we have a different issue.
But when drag multiselecting NPC groups the actors get selected as well as the group. When you multi-select a group, it selects everything. The only way to get it to copy is to manually deselect all the actors. If this is NOT the case then we have a different issue.
Interesting. Maybe that's what I'm doing. Usually, I think I just select the mob on the left side, which doesn't select all the actors, I think.
Interesting. Maybe that's what I'm doing. Usually, I think I just select the mob on the left side, which doesn't select all the actors, I think.
So I ran a couple tests just to be sure. Created a map including a mixture of detail objects and NPC groups:
Test 1: I drag multiselect the map, all objects including actors and the groups are selected.
Result 1: I cannot duplicate the objects and copy + paste has no effect.
Test 2: I select each object individually only selecting the groups and detail objects.
Result 2: Duplicate and copy + paste work normally.
Result 2b: After being pasted/duplicated all of the duplicated objects are now selected including the actors which prevents duplicate until the actors have been deselected
Additional Note: I also found that the spawn point is resistant to duplication and will prevent copy+paste/duplicate from working if it is part of the selected group.
I've already put it on the list as not working as intended. The drag multiselecting npc groups shouldn't cause the copy paste to fail.
So I ran a couple tests just to be sure. Created a map including a mixture of detail objects and NPC groups:
Test 1: I drag multiselect the map, all objects including actors and the groups are selected.
Result 1: I cannot duplicate the objects and copy + paste has no effect.
Test 2: I select each object individually only selecting the groups and detail objects.
Result 2: Duplicate and copy + paste work normally.
Result 2b: After being pasted/duplicated all of the duplicated objects are now selected including the actors which prevents duplicate until the actors have been deselected
Additional Note: I also found that the spawn point is resistant to duplication and will prevent copy+paste/duplicate from working if it is part of the selected group.
I've already put it on the list as not working as intended. The drag multiselecting npc groups shouldn't cause the copy paste to fail.
Good finds GD. This must be why I seem to have no issues the first couple of times I start to duplicate a group, and then I'm trying to duplicate the duplicated group, which won't duplicate.
Draw weapon
Gloat
Hold Tricorder (both versions)
Idle default doesn't seem to idle
Mood - Angry
Mood - Arogant
Mood - Happy
Mood - Neutral
Mood - Robotic (I almost wonder if these were turned off with LoR, since the dialogues use them.
Sit - Captain Slow
Stand - Rifle
Stand - Rotating
Stand - shotgun idle
Stand - shotgun ready
Stand still (seems the same and no animation at all)
OK, will do T-Z when I can, unless someone else wants to complete this task.
Reminds me: Dialogue boxes are bugged. We totally forgot about that change since LoR. Our characters no longer show emotion.
Those 2 assets are not shown on the main foundry map (the one we use to place the items) :
Forcefield - Broken 01
Forcefield - Horizontal 01
All we have is the small grey dot used to rotate/move the item, but otherwise nothing is shown. It's really annoying when you are trying to place them. It's broken since New Romulus I think.
Draw weapon
Gloat
Hold Tricorder (both versions)
Idle default doesn't seem to idle
Mood - Angry
Mood - Arogant
Mood - Happy
Mood - Neutral
Mood - Robotic (I almost wonder if these were turned off with LoR, since the dialogues use them.
Sit - Captain Slow
Stand - Rifle
Stand - Rotating
Stand - shotgun idle
Stand - shotgun ready
Stand still (seems the same and no animation at all)
OK, will do T-Z when I can, unless someone else wants to complete this task.
Reminds me: Dialogue boxes are bugged. We totally forgot about that change since LoR. Our characters no longer show emotion.
Ha, I was working in the Foundry just last night and was reminded of the dialog emotion bug.
Yeah, I quick loaded these up the animations you listed this morning and I see what you're talking about.
I think you're right about the mood animations. The Mood - Angry was definitly doing the pose but the not the facial expression. I'll probably list this with the dialog bug as it's pretty clearly the same bug.
Stand still seems to be working ad the pose was different than the default Femenin pose my test NPC had. Stand - Rotating seemed to be working (the NPC was standing and slowly rotating back and forth.) I'm a little unsure about idle default as I would expect this to fall back on whatever the NPC's default animation was. How should this work?
Everything else is clearly not doing what the descriptions say they should do. If you get more let me know.
Those 2 assets are not shown on the main foundry map (the one we use to place the items) :
Forcefield - Broken 01
Forcefield - Horizontal 01
All we have is the small grey dot used to rotate/move the item, but otherwise nothing is shown. It's really annoying when you are trying to place them. It's broken since New Romulus I think.
Added. I think there are other assets that have this problem, such as the holodeck assets. If anyone knows of any assets that don't have a visual representation in the editor, let me know.
I'm also working on documenting some of the quirkyness related to moving to and from social maps mid-mission. I know that moving to a social map doesn't have any options available, but I also seem to remember a bug related to the button name when entering a custom map after returning to a social map. Need to run a test.
I'd also like to make a list of the space backdrops that have big clipping issues. My question though: Is this clipping caused by the original choice of the map used? I wonder what the easiest and safest way to document it is.
I'm guessing the best way would be to select custom space and then load each backdrop 1 by 1 (and only 1) and see which ones have the clipping, by which I mean the crazy texture fighting and/or spectrum of flickering lines in a space map.
Today, I spotted a minor but annoying bug that may have been introduced by the latest patch.
If you have an object selected in the right pane and try to look at the preview of a different object that you've already placed the game will show previews of both objects superimposed on each other.
I can second this. At some point, I can't remember exactly when, they updated some of the animations, and Talk - Gesturing changed to being only mouth moving with no gesturing.
Also Talk - Proud (or it could be another talk that is cocky / arrogant) results in the character spasming between talking and folding their arms. It looks really weird. It definitely happens on female characters. It could be on male as well, but I know it looks weird on female for sure.
In that same change a lot of the typing animations were changed, so now pretty much all of the types are identical to Type & View. It used to be some were just fluid typing. That can suck because sometimes the Type & View animation randomly starts with the view part, and if you use it for an interact animation the character will just end up standing there even if you use the long interact (so you basically can't use it for that).
Are you guys serious that the mood animations are broken again? I remember way back they were broken, but they were eventually fixed. I'm disheartened to hear they were broken a second time.
I'd also like to make a list of the space backdrops that have big clipping issues. My question though: Is this clipping caused by the original choice of the map used? I wonder what the easiest and safest way to document it is.
I'm guessing the best way would be to select custom space and then load each backdrop 1 by 1 (and only 1) and see which ones have the clipping, by which I mean the crazy texture fighting and/or spectrum of flickering lines in a space map.
I'm not 100% sure of the nature of this bug, but I do know it extends beyond the Foundry. Cataloging thost wouldn't be a small task. I know custom made backdrops will clip too. Let me see if I can get some info from CrypticFrost before we dump a ton of effort into cataloging this.
CrypticFrost, if you're reading this, would a full list of backdrops that have clipping issues help, or is it a systemic problem with the way offset is calculated in the backdrops?
Today, I spotted a minor but annoying bug that may have been introduced by the latest patch.
If you have an object selected in the right pane and try to look at the preview of a different object that you've already placed the game will show previews of both objects superimposed on each other.
Not a big issue, but still annoying.
I think this has been around since LoR but with people up until recently avoiding the right pane, it hasn't been as noticable. The persistant preview objects will also find their way into preview dialog windows and transporter beam-down wondows.
I can second this. At some point, I can't remember exactly when, they updated some of the animations, and Talk - Gesturing changed to being only mouth moving with no gesturing.
Also Talk - Proud (or it could be another talk that is cocky / arrogant) results in the character spasming between talking and folding their arms. It looks really weird. It definitely happens on female characters. It could be on male as well, but I know it looks weird on female for sure.
In that same change a lot of the typing animations were changed, so now pretty much all of the types are identical to Type & View. It used to be some were just fluid typing. That can suck because sometimes the Type & View animation randomly starts with the view part, and if you use it for an interact animation the character will just end up standing there even if you use the long interact (so you basically can't use it for that).
If you can list out animations you know are not behaving the way they are suppose to as well as a note of how they're going wrong, I can get them on the list.
Are you guys serious that the mood animations are broken again? I remember way back they were broken, but they were eventually fixed. I'm disheartened to hear they were broken a second time.
I haven't heard about this happening before, but after LoR, mood animations (which are the same ones the dialog boxes use) would still convey the body position, but the facial expression would remain neutral.
Note to self: Check the stand still and Stand - Still animations to see which is breaking.
I'm not 100% sure of the nature of this bug, but I do know it extends beyond the Foundry. Cataloging thost wouldn't be a small task. I know custom made backdrops will clip too. Let me see if I can get some info from CrypticFrost before we dump a ton of effort into cataloging this.
CrypticFrost, if you're reading this, would a full list of backdrops that have clipping issues help, or is it a systemic problem with the way offset is calculated in the backdrops?
I'm going to have to investigate this. If you can give me a couple examples to make sure I'm on the same page, I'll see what I can find out.
I'm going to have to investigate this. If you can give me a couple examples to make sure I'm on the same page, I'll see what I can find out.
Stars Only 06. A custom space map with this backdrop shows a lot of clipping on the back drop when you move your camera around. I can fraps it if I need to.
Lots of the backdrops have this issue. Maybe it gets worse when we combine more than one backdrop. Can you please tell us what causes it, and if it would be worthwhile for us to identify every backdrop that has it? There are quite a few, I suspect.
The ground plasma fire (not the leak) also used to be green, but was changed to red. Keeping the red fire is fine, but it would be nice if we could also get the green version added back.
I believe this change, along with the Green Leak becoming red occurred when they changed the plasma grenade from having green fire to having red fire during the ground revamp. I guess it was a global change.
I haven't heard about this happening before, but after LoR, mood animations (which are the same ones the dialog boxes use) would still convey the body position, but the facial expression would remain neutral.
It was back in S3 or so. For a long time the mood you selected in the dialogue box did nothing and the NPCs all just used their default pose. That sounds like a different issue than what you're describing though, since it was obviously a bug with the dialogue box failing to set the animation. In any case that was fixed well over a year ago, maybe going on two years.
Selecting the costume in a popup dialogue doesn't work if trying to select a costume from "Project Maps." You have to find the costume in the Asset View tab.
Bug: The mouse wheel no longer scrolls in and out when in the Advanced Dialogue editor window when the cursor is hovering over a dialogue box (it only works when over a blank space). Unfortunately, in large dialogue trees your cursor will often be over a dialogue box basically 100% of the time (large stretched out boxes cover the entire screen).
This bug makes it really horrible to try to deal with a large dialogue tree, as you can't easily zoom in and out while moving around now.
The ground plasma fire (not the leak) also used to be green, but was changed to red. Keeping the red fire is fine, but it would be nice if we could also get the green version added back.
I believe this change, along with the Green Leak becoming red occurred when they changed the plasma grenade from having green fire to having red fire during the ground revamp. I guess it was a global change.
didn't they change the actual grenades back to green?
didn't they change the actual grenades back to green?
You'd probably know better than I. I haven't played the game for like 6 months. I recently logged back in this last week but went straight to the Foundry and never saw a plasma grenade.
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My character Tsin'xing
So I took a look over lunch at what you were talking about and it looks like a bunch of the costumes are related to the Odyssey's docking procedure. However, I don't even think we have to tools to make use of such a thing. I'm almost inclined to recommend that these transitional NPCs be removed. Not sure how I'll list that.
It looks like all the ships capable of separation have these multiple versions with only the Promethus having its sections properly labeled. I'll go through the costume list when I get a chance and see if I can sort out which version should be called what.
But when drag multiselecting NPC groups the actors get selected as well as the group. When you multi-select a group, it selects everything. The only way to get it to copy is to manually deselect all the actors. If this is NOT the case then we have a different issue.
Setting characters to jobs makes them type in the air when walking between consoles. Height of typing often doesn't match height of said console.
Also: Description box has no buttons for OOC or MissionInfo. It's a minor irritant, but maybe it could fall into some category.
Interesting. Maybe that's what I'm doing. Usually, I think I just select the mob on the left side, which doesn't select all the actors, I think.
So I ran a couple tests just to be sure. Created a map including a mixture of detail objects and NPC groups:
Test 1: I drag multiselect the map, all objects including actors and the groups are selected.
Result 1: I cannot duplicate the objects and copy + paste has no effect.
Test 2: I select each object individually only selecting the groups and detail objects.
Result 2: Duplicate and copy + paste work normally.
Result 2b: After being pasted/duplicated all of the duplicated objects are now selected including the actors which prevents duplicate until the actors have been deselected
Additional Note: I also found that the spawn point is resistant to duplication and will prevent copy+paste/duplicate from working if it is part of the selected group.
I've already put it on the list as not working as intended. The drag multiselecting npc groups shouldn't cause the copy paste to fail.
Good finds GD. This must be why I seem to have no issues the first couple of times I start to duplicate a group, and then I'm trying to duplicate the duplicated group, which won't duplicate.
Draw weapon
Gloat
Hold Tricorder (both versions)
Idle default doesn't seem to idle
Mood - Angry
Mood - Arogant
Mood - Happy
Mood - Neutral
Mood - Robotic (I almost wonder if these were turned off with LoR, since the dialogues use them.
Sit - Captain Slow
Stand - Rifle
Stand - Rotating
Stand - shotgun idle
Stand - shotgun ready
Stand still (seems the same and no animation at all)
OK, will do T-Z when I can, unless someone else wants to complete this task.
Reminds me: Dialogue boxes are bugged. We totally forgot about that change since LoR. Our characters no longer show emotion.
Forcefield - Broken 01
Forcefield - Horizontal 01
All we have is the small grey dot used to rotate/move the item, but otherwise nothing is shown. It's really annoying when you are trying to place them. It's broken since New Romulus I think.
Ha, I was working in the Foundry just last night and was reminded of the dialog emotion bug.
Yeah, I quick loaded these up the animations you listed this morning and I see what you're talking about.
I think you're right about the mood animations. The Mood - Angry was definitly doing the pose but the not the facial expression. I'll probably list this with the dialog bug as it's pretty clearly the same bug.
Stand still seems to be working ad the pose was different than the default Femenin pose my test NPC had. Stand - Rotating seemed to be working (the NPC was standing and slowly rotating back and forth.) I'm a little unsure about idle default as I would expect this to fall back on whatever the NPC's default animation was. How should this work?
Everything else is clearly not doing what the descriptions say they should do. If you get more let me know.
Added. I think there are other assets that have this problem, such as the holodeck assets. If anyone knows of any assets that don't have a visual representation in the editor, let me know.
I'm also working on documenting some of the quirkyness related to moving to and from social maps mid-mission. I know that moving to a social map doesn't have any options available, but I also seem to remember a bug related to the button name when entering a custom map after returning to a social map. Need to run a test.
Don't forget that there are two stand still emotes. I think only one of them works. They are "Stand - Still" and "Stand Still".
Also, nvm about the clipping on the Borg buildings. I couldn't find it when I tried.
I'm guessing the best way would be to select custom space and then load each backdrop 1 by 1 (and only 1) and see which ones have the clipping, by which I mean the crazy texture fighting and/or spectrum of flickering lines in a space map.
Talk- Gesturing
Also tested undine ones with undine ensigns.
Undine - Idle look around (seems broken)
everything else seemed to do something. There are several that are identical, like tricorder scans.
Edit: Also, Klingon door 01 doesn't preview well.
If you have an object selected in the right pane and try to look at the preview of a different object that you've already placed the game will show previews of both objects superimposed on each other.
Not a big issue, but still annoying.
My character Tsin'xing
I can second this. At some point, I can't remember exactly when, they updated some of the animations, and Talk - Gesturing changed to being only mouth moving with no gesturing.
Also Talk - Proud (or it could be another talk that is cocky / arrogant) results in the character spasming between talking and folding their arms. It looks really weird. It definitely happens on female characters. It could be on male as well, but I know it looks weird on female for sure.
In that same change a lot of the typing animations were changed, so now pretty much all of the types are identical to Type & View. It used to be some were just fluid typing. That can suck because sometimes the Type & View animation randomly starts with the view part, and if you use it for an interact animation the character will just end up standing there even if you use the long interact (so you basically can't use it for that).
Click here for my Foundry tutorial on Creating A Custom Interior Map.
Click here for my Foundry tutorial on Creating A Custom Interior Map.
I'm not 100% sure of the nature of this bug, but I do know it extends beyond the Foundry. Cataloging thost wouldn't be a small task. I know custom made backdrops will clip too. Let me see if I can get some info from CrypticFrost before we dump a ton of effort into cataloging this.
CrypticFrost, if you're reading this, would a full list of backdrops that have clipping issues help, or is it a systemic problem with the way offset is calculated in the backdrops?
Is this because of it's funky pivot point (which is about 6 feet away from the door, or because it doesn't show up well on the editor map?
I think this has been around since LoR but with people up until recently avoiding the right pane, it hasn't been as noticable. The persistant preview objects will also find their way into preview dialog windows and transporter beam-down wondows.
If you can list out animations you know are not behaving the way they are suppose to as well as a note of how they're going wrong, I can get them on the list.
I haven't heard about this happening before, but after LoR, mood animations (which are the same ones the dialog boxes use) would still convey the body position, but the facial expression would remain neutral.
Note to self: Check the stand still and Stand - Still animations to see which is breaking.
So I looked and couldn't find any instance of a "Stand - Still" or anything close, just the one "Stand Still."
I'm going to have to investigate this. If you can give me a couple examples to make sure I'm on the same page, I'll see what I can find out.
Stars Only 06. A custom space map with this backdrop shows a lot of clipping on the back drop when you move your camera around. I can fraps it if I need to.
Lots of the backdrops have this issue. Maybe it gets worse when we combine more than one backdrop. Can you please tell us what causes it, and if it would be worthwhile for us to identify every backdrop that has it? There are quite a few, I suspect.
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The ground plasma fire (not the leak) also used to be green, but was changed to red. Keeping the red fire is fine, but it would be nice if we could also get the green version added back.
I believe this change, along with the Green Leak becoming red occurred when they changed the plasma grenade from having green fire to having red fire during the ground revamp. I guess it was a global change.
Click here for my Foundry tutorial on Creating A Custom Interior Map.
It was back in S3 or so. For a long time the mood you selected in the dialogue box did nothing and the NPCs all just used their default pose. That sounds like a different issue than what you're describing though, since it was obviously a bug with the dialogue box failing to set the animation. In any case that was fixed well over a year ago, maybe going on two years.
Click here for my Foundry tutorial on Creating A Custom Interior Map.
This bug makes it really horrible to try to deal with a large dialogue tree, as you can't easily zoom in and out while moving around now.
Click here for my Foundry tutorial on Creating A Custom Interior Map.
My character Tsin'xing
You'd probably know better than I. I haven't played the game for like 6 months. I recently logged back in this last week but went straight to the Foundry and never saw a plasma grenade.
Click here for my Foundry tutorial on Creating A Custom Interior Map.