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Star Trek Prodigy CANCELLED

eazzieeazzie Member Posts: 4,233 Arc User
Ahead of it's previously announced second season Star Trek Prodigy has been cancelled and will be removed from Paramount + and Nickelodeon in a matter of days.

https://blog.trekcore.com/2023/06/star-trek-prodigy-cancelled-paramount-plus-removal/
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  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 5,051 Arc User
    This is one of the reasons why I'm hesitant to get subscriptions for a dozen different streaming platforms.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,603 Community Moderator
    I'd like to know one thing...


    WHY?!
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    I'd like to know one thing...


    WHY?!

    Numbers. Viewers. If it was getting tons of views (especially from new subscribers) they wouldn't be cancelling it, they would be renewing it for more seasons.

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  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 5,051 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    I'd like to know one thing...


    WHY?!

    Numbers. Viewers. If it was getting tons of views (especially from new subscribers) they wouldn't be cancelling it, they would be renewing it for more seasons.

    According to the article, they're still going to finish producing season 2 though. The show isn't really being cancelled, it just won't be broadcast on Paramount+ and Nickelodeon.
  • lazarus51166lazarus51166 Member Posts: 646 Arc User
    and nothing of value was lost
    According to the article, they're still going to finish producing season 2 though. The show isn't really being cancelled, it just won't be broadcast on Paramount+ and Nickelodeon.
    In other words it is being cancelled. Being cancelled doesn't mean you don't finish the season. Rome is a prime example of that, as is enterprise
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    In other words it is being cancelled. Being cancelled doesn't mean you don't finish the season. Rome is a prime example of that, as is enterprise

    Exactly. It means they are only finishing what's basically already been made, but aren't renewing it for additional seasons.

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  • timelords1701timelords1701 Member Posts: 556 Arc User
    Damn shame really, prodigy was a really good show and I enjoyed its uniqueness of their characters and stories and ship to the star trek universe.
    Sure I was annoyed with season 1 being spread out over 2 years, but all I can really hope for now personally is that season 2 finishes with an actual conclusion to the story.
    Surprised also that we have not got the ship in game by now, but that itself probably comes down to haggling with the creators by cryptic for its use..
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,603 Community Moderator
    Surprised also that we have not got the ship in game by now, but that itself probably comes down to haggling with the creators by cryptic for its use..

    The issue with getting anything from Prodigy is having to negotiate with Nickelodeon AS WELL as Paramount. All the other Trek shows that came out weren't in partnership with another company, and thus much easier to get permission to bring into STO. Prodigy was made in partnership with Nickelodeon, which means partial ownership belongs to Nickelodeon as well.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,284 Arc User
    And I'm betting someone from one or both companies got into an egotistical pissing contest and that's the REAL reason it's being cancelled.

    This is why you NEVER partner with other companies, and if you do, you don't let them have ANY say in how things are done for the show.​​
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  • eazzieeazzie Member Posts: 4,233 Arc User
    Prodigy is now NO LONGER available on Paramount + in U.S.

  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,511 Arc User
    I read conflicting information. Some says S2 will be finished and both seasons will be shopped around; some says it will be a tax write off which would be a total jerk move 'cause it means it will be purged and has never to be touched again :#
  • sthe91sthe91 Member Posts: 5,982 Arc User
    Last week, I decided to watch Star Trek: Prodigy on Paramount+ after hearing about its cancellation which they did not give enough time to announce so people could finish watching S1 which is 20 episodes. I watched the pilot episode (once there and now on a library borrowed DVD), Starstruck (watched there and again tonight), Dreamcatcher (was going to watch it there but then it was taken off and will watch it either tonight as well or tomorrow), and I am going to watch the rest of the ten episodes on DVD (since not all 20 episodes were put on DVD).

    I even signed the petition, posted on Twitter, and even on their official Twitter page.

    I wish I had given it a chance when it was on Paramount+ but I was busy watching all the other live action Star Treks and not the animated fare. I am upset that they decided to take the tax write off for it instead of keeping it on Paramount+ and the writers had completed S2. For a while they advertised that Paramount+ is the place for ALL Star Trek. Now, they have broken their word and they need to rethink this decision.
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  • trekfangrrrl#6910 trekfangrrrl Member Posts: 111 Arc User
    Franchise fatigue is real. When Paramount started announcing half a dozen shows in development a few years ago, it was always doomed to fail.
  • hawku001xhawku001x Member Posts: 10,768 Arc User
    Sorry to see this go. Hopefully S2 comes back somewhere.
  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,511 Arc User
    hawku001x wrote: »
    Sorry to see this go. Hopefully S2 comes back somewhere.

    AFAIK tax write off means it gets obliterated. Not just not continued anymore; but any trace of it wiped off of the company. Complete erasure. Like with the Batgirl movie. Unlike that though it already had aired so the first season can still be seen.

    STO probably could not even sell things from that show anymore because of that.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,603 Community Moderator
    I heard something about the Writer's Strike. And since s2 was already pretty much complete... the Writer's Strike would have been a problem for a s3.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,849 Arc User
    According to an article I read the reason was that while it was pitched as a kid show the data showed that the audience were almost all adults and Nickelodeon was not exactly thrilled with that revelation, and with the SHO merger CBS (or Paramount Global nowadays) did not want to foot the bill for the whole thing itself and so chopped it as part of its "streamlining" process.

    A somewhat snarkier article elsewhere claimed that the merger meant that CBS's streaming future was no longer hanging by Star Trek threads alone and so they ditched the more problematic ones (Prodigy because of the demographics surprise embarrassment, and DSC because of the entrenched fissure in the fanbase that is still a sore point with many), but usually that kind of rant-article is not particularly reliable so I would suggest taking it with a grain of salt.

    Whatever the real reason, the show was too good to be chopped like that.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,603 Community Moderator
    What I still don't understand is why they're just vaulting it like that entirely like it doesn't exist. The only reason I can think of is a dispute between Nickelodeon and Paramount, which kinda highlights the issues of shared ownership of something.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • foxman00foxman00 Member Posts: 1,511 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    What I still don't understand is why they're just vaulting it like that entirely like it doesn't exist. The only reason I can think of is a dispute between Nickelodeon and Paramount, which kinda highlights the issues of shared ownership of something.

    Wouldnt surprise me
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    According to an article I read the reason was that while it was pitched as a kid show the data showed that the audience were almost all adults and Nickelodeon was not exactly thrilled with that revelation, and with the SHO merger CBS (or Paramount Global nowadays) did not want to foot the bill for the whole thing itself and so chopped it as part of its "streamlining" process.

    Syfy gave the same excuse for cancelling Stargate Atlantis, except it was that they were attracting a majority of women viewers over men rather than an age thing. It didn't make any more sense to me then: if you're attracting a different audience than you expected, then tailor the ad buys to the audience you're attracting.

    But yeah...
    rattler2 wrote: »
    What I still don't understand is why they're just vaulting it like that entirely like it doesn't exist. The only reason I can think of is a dispute between Nickelodeon and Paramount, which kinda highlights the issues of shared ownership of something.
    ... this is probably the real reason.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,603 Community Moderator
    starswordc wrote: »
    Syfy gave the same excuse for cancelling Stargate Atlantis, except it was that they were attracting a majority of women viewers over men rather than an age thing. It didn't make any more sense to me then: if you're attracting a different audience than you expected, then tailor the ad buys to the audience you're attracting.

    I didn't know about that. I was under the impression that they decided to focus more on the upcoming Stargate Universe and just go to made for TV movies to continue Atlantis. Which they never did. And Stargate Universe fell on its face as they tried to treat it like Battlestar Galactica and go wall to wall drama. That didn't work, and had characters you just couldn't get into other than maybe Eli. Now if they continued with the formula that worked for SG-1 and Atlantis, and including humor to break up tension, it may have survived more than two seasons. The premise of SG:U was good. The problem was the execution.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    edited July 2023
    valoreah wrote: »
    Numbers. Viewers. If it was getting tons of views (especially from new subscribers) they wouldn't be cancelling it, they would be renewing it for more seasons.

    Personally, I am thinking this is just the first of the various Trek properties that will be cancelled. The deal with Showtime cost Paramount/CBS a lot of money. Star Trek is an especially expensive show to produce and I imagine going to be first on the list of programs that need to be cut. Programs may get an initial order for an entire season or two worth of episodes only to get cancelled, much like Stargate: Universe was.
    valoreah wrote: »
    Numbers. Viewers. If it was getting tons of views (especially from new subscribers) they wouldn't be cancelling it, they would be renewing it for more seasons.

    Personally, I am thinking this is just the first of the various Trek properties that will be cancelled. The deal with Showtime cost Paramount/CBS a lot of money. Star Trek is an especially expensive show to produce and I imagine going to be first on the list of programs that need to be cut. Programs may get an initial order for an entire season or two worth of episodes only to get cancelled, much like Stargate: Universe was.
    Yeah, unless they decide to completely exit Streaming (and with P+ expanding into new areas of the world and also their free PLUTO TV streaming service, that seems unlikely.)

    Yellowstone and its spinoffs and the current live action iterations of Star Trek (Both Strange New Worlds and Picard) seem to have put them on the Streaming map, so yeah, they'll do cuts, but I doubt they'll be cancelling Live action STar Trek given the first two episodes of SNW S2 have made Nielsen's Top 10 In Streaming:

    ‘Star Trek: Strange New Worlds’ Hits Streaming Top 10 Again; Pushes Paramount+ To New Milestone
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,603 Community Moderator
    So far I've only heard good things about the Trek that's currently live, and the fact that Picard got some award nominations for s3. The only one that has gotten the ax but can still at least finish s2 is Prodigy.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    Hey, just because your taste sucks... :smirk:

    More seriously, this was actually quite a good episode, very Trek. They get into an issue that is then investigated with all the Starfleet resources at their disposal, and a solution found that isn't "blow it up with a photon torpedo" (which got especially grating in VOY because they weren't supposed to have that many torpedoes - Janeway specified in the pilot that when they used up the 38 they had, there was no way to get more). I also appreciated the fact that they didn't know why they were singing, they didn't like that they were singing, and they needed to stop the rapidly-spreading phenomenon before the Klingon ships arrived to blow it up (with disastrous consequences).

    The songs also served the purpose that they generally serve in good musicals - character exposition that isn't clunky speeches about "this is who I am". In the counterpointing songs "I'm Ready" and "I'm the X", for instance, we learn both how Spock became the more-Vulcan-than-Vulcan fellow we will come to know in later years, and why Chapel still pines after him (she blew it, she knew it, and he's not changing his mind). And "How Would That Feel" and "Keeping Secrets" saved us just pages of dialog about La'an learning to lighten up a little.

    I felt that the grand finale, "We Are One", had some rather clunky and on-the-nose lyrics, but not everything can be golden. And speaking of golden, the bit in the finale where they hailed the Klingon ship explained why the Klingons felt dishonored by the phenomenon. Had they been singing opera, they'd probably have been fine with that, but...
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  • nrobbiecnrobbiec Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »

    I guess my tastes are not as low-brow. I am delighted you enjoyed the episode. Personally, Star Trek: The Musical is vandalizing the IP and complete garbage in my opinion. I am overjoyed I cancelled my subscription to Paramount + years ago.

    What are your feelings towards the franchise's long history of musical outbursts and tangenital silly episodes? Personally, I don't see Subspace Rhapsody doing anything completely outside the realm of recognition. However if you're not a fan of Our Man Bashir, Bride of Chaotica and Fistful of Datas etc then your point of view makes more sense.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,603 Community Moderator
    Funny thing is... I heard that this episode was the best musical episode since the one from Buffy the Vampire Slayer...
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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