I dunno if that Iconian Borg is really a thing but yeah the Borg in STO are untraditional, we can explain play the STO Borg as another splinter collective as for the Ent-G we can explain that that Ent-G was taken out of action and Starfleet was pressed for ships enough that they reactivated the ENT-F
Remember that line Krige-Queen said halfway through the finale?
A new generation of Borg, born with a single purpose: not just to assimilate, but to annihilate.
Sounds rather similar to Spock's introduction of them where he says "What the Borg cannot assimilate, they will destroy.", doesn't it? And I believe one of the Borg states the same thing at some point in the game - either Donatra or the new Queen or maybe just a random Collective line. Clearly they reorganized between 2401 and 2409 while still following Krige-Queen's new directive.
As for Spacedock, if they wanna tack on some extra domes or whatever those were, go for it I say. I'm just glad the producers and writers FINALLY realized that important planets need shields and defense grids, even in this franchise.
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The station under attack was Earth Spacedock. It's already in the game.
^^ This.
Besides, at the end, ESD succummed, so they were not truly the 'hero.'
Still one of the most epic last stands in Starfleet history. Speaking of the Frontier Day attack, how are Cryptic going to deal with the Borg sized elephant in the room given how Picard ended?
It's not the elephant in the room. Kael already addressed this in another post he made. STO is it's own canon now, meaning no Frontier Day disaster, no Enterprize G, no ESD with outlying pontoons etc, etc. The Borg in STO are STO Borg not Picard Borg.
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The renaming of the Titan (I still would rather they'd rechristened it the Shaw) can still be folded in here. There's a loophole, you see - they didn't rename her Enterprise, they renamed her Enterprise-G, blazoned right there on her upper hull. So we can claim that NCC-1701-F is just in spacedock undergoing repairs and refits, and this other ship isn't USS Enterprise NCC-1701-G, but is in fact USS Enterprise-G with a different registry.
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The renaming of the Titan (I still would rather they'd rechristened it the Shaw) can still be folded in here. There's a loophole, you see - they didn't rename her Enterprise, they renamed her Enterprise-G, blazoned right there on her upper hull. So we can claim that NCC-1701-F is just in spacedock undergoing repairs and refits, and this other ship isn't USS Enterprise NCC-1701-G, but is in fact USS Enterprise-G with a different registry.
Yes, it's a reach worthy of Reed Richards, but it gets us where we want to be...
Yeah..No.
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To be honest there's very little that needs to be done to keep STO aligned, enough creativity can solve almost any problem. It's not like things like character ages (like Tuvok), crew compliments (Voyager noticably but not exclusively), ship sizes (various) and all sorts of things haven't been prone to inconsistencies over the years. I mean Jack can't be older than 21 and looking at the actor I'm not getting that impression. Same with Alandra but she could have born pre-Nemesis and just conviniently not mentioned. The original script did have Leah Brahms and Geordi be a couple at Riker's wedding but the actress was unavailable.
Voyager-B: Model swap, lettered ships are always named just by their name anyway so you don't need to rewrite any dialogue for that.
Characters looking too young in game: Update or we just shrug it off as art style, LDS is no less canon even though the art style is weirdly proportioned.
Commodore La Forge: Update uniform or there's a number of easy story reasons you could come up with that he decided to go back to a Captain, maybe like Picard in season 1 he felt the need to be out there and accepted a reduction in rank like he proposed to Admiral Hubris.
I guess it could be M-5-10 that took the Yar hologram to Sela.
Regarding the more titanic elephant in the room:
It doesn't appear the Titan-A being renamed to the Enterprise-G is a particularly popular decision so for once I'm okay with it being retconned, not like ship names and registries aren't all over the place as it is anyway (how many registries did the Yamato have, 3?) I perceived it as heavy-handed disingenous sequel-baiting which doesn't work it has to be organic. Arrow season 8 banked a lot on the potential of a spin-off and that backfired.
But retcons aren't everyone's cup of tea so as I've said before there's the option of the G being destroyed which leads Seven to leave active service and work at Daystrom and the F is repaired and brought back then kept in service due to a string of conflicts leading to a ship shortage. We just re-imagine that lore blog about Shon talking to Data as Shon talking to Seven. It's simple, not uncreative and only a tiny little stretch not reaching for the moon.
That or Butterfly renamed it back to the Titan-A. Time travel shenanigans are an easy fix-it.
As the back up EMH said; names, dates, places, it's all open to interpretation who's to say what really happened.
Also anyone getting upset about the name reuse, I'll remind that that's so common IRL it's typically not even commented on. in fact USN had 2 carrier named USS Yorktown during world war 2 CV-5, a Yorktown class carrier and CV-10, an Essex class carrier and that was within a period of 6 years (less actually as USA didn't join the war until December 1941).
So name reuse isn't this weird and alien thing that never happens on ships, in fact we got plenty of examples of Starfleet reusing names as well, registry reuse is another matter and IIRC that has happened only the USS Defiant (NX-74205), actually the very fact I had to add the registry there to show which USS Defiant I'm referring to should show just how common name reusing is.
Within a year of CV-5's loss actually, the Essex class Yorktown is commissioned into the USN in 1943.
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Also anyone getting upset about the name reuse, I'll remind that that's so common IRL it's typically not even commented on. in fact USN had 2 carrier named USS Yorktown during world war 2 CV-5, a Yorktown class carrier and CV-10, an Essex class carrier and that was within a period of 6 years (less actually as USA didn't join the war until December 1941).
So name reuse isn't this weird and alien thing that never happens on ships, in fact we got plenty of examples of Starfleet reusing names as well, registry reuse is another matter and IIRC that has happened only the USS Defiant (NX-74205), actually the very fact I had to add the registry there to show which USS Defiant I'm referring to should show just how common name reusing is.
Within a year of CV-5's loss actually, the Essex class Yorktown is commissioned into the USN in 1943.
Yeah I know, my point was that name reuse happened within the same conflict that lasted less then a decade in total. So Starfleet reusing names isn't this alien thing that never happened IRL.
To be honest there's very little that needs to be done to keep STO aligned, enough creativity can solve almost any problem. It's not like things like character ages (like Tuvok), crew compliments (Voyager noticably but not exclusively), ship sizes (various) and all sorts of things haven't been prone to inconsistencies over the years. I mean Jack can't be older than 21 and looking at the actor I'm not getting that impression. Same with Alandra but she could have born pre-Nemesis and just conviniently not mentioned. The original script did have Leah Brahms and Geordi be a couple at Riker's wedding but the actress was unavailable.
Voyager-B: Model swap, lettered ships are always named just by their name anyway so you don't need to rewrite any dialogue for that.
Characters looking too young in game: Update or we just shrug it off as art style, LDS is no less canon even though the art style is weirdly proportioned.
Commodore La Forge: Update uniform or there's a number of easy story reasons you could come up with that he decided to go back to a Captain, maybe like Picard in season 1 he felt the need to be out there and accepted a reduction in rank like he proposed to Admiral Hubris.
I guess it could be M-5-10 that took the Yar hologram to Sela.
Regarding the more titanic elephant in the room:
It doesn't appear the Titan-A being renamed to the Enterprise-G is a particularly popular decision so for once I'm okay with it being retconned, not like ship names and registries aren't all over the place as it is anyway (how many registries did the Yamato have, 3?) I perceived it as heavy-handed disingenous sequel-baiting which doesn't work it has to be organic. Arrow season 8 banked a lot on the potential of a spin-off and that backfired.
But retcons aren't everyone's cup of tea so as I've said before there's the option of the G being destroyed which leads Seven to leave active service and work at Daystrom and the F is repaired and brought back then kept in service due to a string of conflicts leading to a ship shortage. We just re-imagine that lore blog about Shon talking to Data as Shon talking to Seven. It's simple, not uncreative and only a tiny little stretch not reaching for the moon.
That or Butterfly renamed it back to the Titan-A. Time travel shenanigans are an easy fix-it.
As the back up EMH said; names, dates, places, it's all open to interpretation who's to say what really happened.
Well put, now to address the Worf situation, I personally just don't see him joining the Empire in such a short amount of time.
Also anyone getting upset about the name reuse, I'll remind that that's so common IRL it's typically not even commented on. in fact USN had 2 carrier named USS Yorktown during world war 2 CV-5, a Yorktown class carrier and CV-10, an Essex class carrier and that was within a period of 6 years (less actually as USA didn't join the war until December 1941).
So name reuse isn't this weird and alien thing that never happens on ships, in fact we got plenty of examples of Starfleet reusing names as well, registry reuse is another matter and IIRC that has happened only the USS Defiant (NX-74205), actually the very fact I had to add the registry there to show which USS Defiant I'm referring to should show just how common name reusing is.
Within a year of CV-5's loss actually, the Essex class Yorktown is commissioned into the USN in 1943.
Yeah I know, my point was that name reuse happened within the same conflict that lasted less then a decade in total. So Starfleet reusing names isn't this alien thing that never happened IRL.
Ship names being recycled is a naval tradition to carry on the name.
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-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Well put, now to address the Worf situation, I personally just don't see him joining the Empire in such a short amount of time.
Starfleet refusing to help the Empire when the Undine start doing their thing despite all he's done for them could be an irreconciable betrayal in his eyes. If we assume he's doing the horizontal monster mash with Grilka like the original path to 2409 said (though a good chunk of that has been contradicted in game before we got 25th century shows) then maybe he decided he needed to keep his son and mate safe. He saw what family meant to Picard, Riker and Geordi so followed in their example and went back to his people to protect them.
Edit: I forgot about the Borg.
Zombie Queen was just one splinter of the Borg, the Vega colony ones described as disjointed anyway in game are another broken link. The main ones we finally get are a rebuilt collective that's taken them quite some time to gather back up and why their Queen is Romulan this time (Donatra?) I don't know, there's a few twists and turns there that are more than a few second's thought.
The ones at Vega in the former tutorial were a result of time travel from Khitomer Stasis - that's why they were disoriented, not anything to do with a fractured Collective (which has already reconstituted by 2409 anyway if we're going that route).
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The ones at Vega in the former tutorial were a result of time travel from Khitomer Stasis - that's why they were disoriented, not anything to do with a fractured Collective (which has already reconstituted by 2409 anyway if we're going that route).
Ah thank you, I don't play multiplayer content so that one's on me.
The station under attack was Earth Spacedock. It's already in the game.
^^ This.
Besides, at the end, ESD succummed, so they were not truly the 'hero.'
Still one of the most epic last stands in Starfleet history. Speaking of the Frontier Day attack, how are Cryptic going to deal with the Borg sized elephant in the room given how Picard ended?
It's not the elephant in the room. Kael already addressed this in another post he made. STO is it's own canon now, meaning no Frontier Day disaster, no Enterprize G, no ESD with outlying pontoons etc, etc. The Borg in STO are STO Borg not Picard Borg.
Personally, I prefer the STO chain of events over Kurtzman Trek. In my head canon, STO timeline is the Prime Timeline, and Kurtzman Trek is in it's own timeline. Many will disagree, and they are free to do so. But that's just me.
Anyway, if STO is it's own canon now, could they at least bring back Icheb? I hated the way they killed him off.
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Anyway, if STO is it's own canon now, could they at least bring back Icheb? I hated the way they killed him off.
Well... in STO his fate is undeclared. I think he used to be on K-7 before we saw what happened on Picard. However they never actually outright said anything about him so... he could still be alive in STO.
The ones at Vega in the former tutorial were a result of time travel from Khitomer Stasis - that's why they were disoriented, not anything to do with a fractured Collective (which has already reconstituted by 2409 anyway if we're going that route).
Is Time Travel the reason why the Tutorial Borg have a Jemmy in their ranks, well... an outdated one at least?
We've been told that Cryptic doesn't get spoiler info on what's coming in the series before they air (well some people at Cryptic might but not most) and considering the the lead up time, there's no real way Cryptic would be able to produce the next arc in time if they knew about Borg only when we did (not mention there was hints of Borg being the next opponent during the end of the Terran arc).
We've been told that Cryptic doesn't get spoiler info on what's coming in the series before they air (well some people at Cryptic might but not most) and considering the the lead up time, there's no real way Cryptic would be able to produce the next arc in time if they knew about Borg only when we did (not mention there was hints of Borg being the next opponent during the end of the Terran arc).
I mean we know the Borg have transtemporal and transdimensional knowledge/capabilities so they'll always be back. Like the Reverse Flash, just can't get rid.
Arcturus said the Borg were like a force of nature right, one storm gone doesn't mean another won't kick up.
We've been told that Cryptic doesn't get spoiler info on what's coming in the series before they air (well some people at Cryptic might but not most) and considering the the lead up time, there's no real way Cryptic would be able to produce the next arc in time if they knew about Borg only when we did (not mention there was hints of Borg being the next opponent during the end of the Terran arc).
Yep, if they knew, they wouldn't have put Borg at end of the Terran Arc, after announcing that they're focusing on their own stories without tying anything to the shows,
BTW I wondered if Cryptic ever thought about the Borg assimilating other species that assimilate like the Kobali and the Elachi, would be cool if the Borg decided to compare notes with both and improve their methods to create some sort of Borg/Elachi/Kobali hybrids.
We've been told that Cryptic doesn't get spoiler info on what's coming in the series before they air (well some people at Cryptic might but not most) and considering the the lead up time, there's no real way Cryptic would be able to produce the next arc in time if they knew about Borg only when we did (not mention there was hints of Borg being the next opponent during the end of the Terran arc).
Those were MU Borg. And the MU definitely hasn't gone the same route Borg wise as Mirror Janeway was assimilated and is now able to command Borg drones - even before the current incarnations of Trek, she never had that ability in the PU.
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BTW I wondered if Cryptic ever thought about the Borg assimilating other species that assimilate like the Kobali and the Elachi, would be cool if the Borg decided to compare notes with both and improve their methods to create some sort of Borg/Elachi/Kobali hybrids.
The others don't "assimilate", though. The Kobali repurpose the bodies of the dead - their method won't even start working until all the original metabolic processes have ceased - and the Elachi use captives as a food source for their young. A Borg Kobali would just be a Borg, and a Borg Elachi would probably start infecting the rest of its hive and wind up killing all of them when the cube self-destructed.
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Sounds rather similar to Spock's introduction of them where he says "What the Borg cannot assimilate, they will destroy.", doesn't it? And I believe one of the Borg states the same thing at some point in the game - either Donatra or the new Queen or maybe just a random Collective line. Clearly they reorganized between 2401 and 2409 while still following Krige-Queen's new directive.
As for Spacedock, if they wanna tack on some extra domes or whatever those were, go for it I say. I'm just glad the producers and writers FINALLY realized that important planets need shields and defense grids, even in this franchise.
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It's not the elephant in the room. Kael already addressed this in another post he made. STO is it's own canon now, meaning no Frontier Day disaster, no Enterprize G, no ESD with outlying pontoons etc, etc. The Borg in STO are STO Borg not Picard Borg.
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PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
Voyager-B: Model swap, lettered ships are always named just by their name anyway so you don't need to rewrite any dialogue for that.
Characters looking too young in game: Update or we just shrug it off as art style, LDS is no less canon even though the art style is weirdly proportioned.
Commodore La Forge: Update uniform or there's a number of easy story reasons you could come up with that he decided to go back to a Captain, maybe like Picard in season 1 he felt the need to be out there and accepted a reduction in rank like he proposed to Admiral Hubris.
I guess it could be M-5-10 that took the Yar hologram to Sela.
Regarding the more titanic elephant in the room:
But retcons aren't everyone's cup of tea so as I've said before there's the option of the G being destroyed which leads Seven to leave active service and work at Daystrom and the F is repaired and brought back then kept in service due to a string of conflicts leading to a ship shortage. We just re-imagine that lore blog about Shon talking to Data as Shon talking to Seven. It's simple, not uncreative and only a tiny little stretch not reaching for the moon.
That or Butterfly renamed it back to the Titan-A. Time travel shenanigans are an easy fix-it.
As the back up EMH said; names, dates, places, it's all open to interpretation who's to say what really happened.
Within a year of CV-5's loss actually, the Essex class Yorktown is commissioned into the USN in 1943.
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Yeah I know, my point was that name reuse happened within the same conflict that lasted less then a decade in total. So Starfleet reusing names isn't this alien thing that never happened IRL.
Well put, now to address the Worf situation, I personally just don't see him joining the Empire in such a short amount of time.
Ship names being recycled is a naval tradition to carry on the name.
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Starfleet refusing to help the Empire when the Undine start doing their thing despite all he's done for them could be an irreconciable betrayal in his eyes. If we assume he's doing the horizontal monster mash with Grilka like the original path to 2409 said (though a good chunk of that has been contradicted in game before we got 25th century shows) then maybe he decided he needed to keep his son and mate safe. He saw what family meant to Picard, Riker and Geordi so followed in their example and went back to his people to protect them.
Edit: I forgot about the Borg.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Ah thank you, I don't play multiplayer content so that one's on me.
Personally, I prefer the STO chain of events over Kurtzman Trek. In my head canon, STO timeline is the Prime Timeline, and Kurtzman Trek is in it's own timeline. Many will disagree, and they are free to do so. But that's just me.
Anyway, if STO is it's own canon now, could they at least bring back Icheb? I hated the way they killed him off.
Well... in STO his fate is undeclared. I think he used to be on K-7 before we saw what happened on Picard. However they never actually outright said anything about him so... he could still be alive in STO.
The Borg arc was planned since ViL expansion,
Is Time Travel the reason why the Tutorial Borg have a Jemmy in their ranks, well... an outdated one at least?
From what I've heard (which may or may not be true) he told Antony Rapp to "man up" when Rapp revealed that he had been abused in the past.
So I suspect only people with Irrational hatred for Discovery are fans of mister Inriraymi now (since Antony Rapp plays Paul Stamets in DSC).
I mean we know the Borg have transtemporal and transdimensional knowledge/capabilities so they'll always be back. Like the Reverse Flash, just can't get rid.
Arcturus said the Borg were like a force of nature right, one storm gone doesn't mean another won't kick up.
Yep, if they knew, they wouldn't have put Borg at end of the Terran Arc, after announcing that they're focusing on their own stories without tying anything to the shows,
BTW I wondered if Cryptic ever thought about the Borg assimilating other species that assimilate like the Kobali and the Elachi, would be cool if the Borg decided to compare notes with both and improve their methods to create some sort of Borg/Elachi/Kobali hybrids.
Those were MU Borg. And the MU definitely hasn't gone the same route Borg wise as Mirror Janeway was assimilated and is now able to command Borg drones - even before the current incarnations of Trek, she never had that ability in the PU.
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