what the hell did Worf do to the Enterprise-E such that it couldn't be used?
It was impounded by the Benthan Guard for multiple parking violations. Unfortunately, as the Federation doesn't use money, they can't pay the fines, so it's still sitting in the impound yard.
I haven't watched he show since the awful first season, however I did see this clip on YouTube and it was pretty epic. Beautiful to see the ship again. The story still seems very weak to me, but seeing the D again did make me smile.
The story has been far from weak. Amanda Plummer as Vadic was truly brilliant, her father would be proud. She deserves and Emmy, an Oscar Everything.
I haven't watched he show since the awful first season, however I did see this clip on YouTube and it was pretty epic. Beautiful to see the ship again. The story still seems very weak to me, but seeing the D again did make me smile.
The story has been far from weak. Amanda Plummer as Vadic was truly brilliant, her father would be proud. She deserves and Emmy, an Oscar Everything.
Yes Plummer does deserve some award for her acting in this season. Which brings me to something else.
Sorry, but I have to agree that the story is weak. In fact, it's terrible. AND they character assassinated Beverly Crusher to get the story to fit.
What elevates this is the sharp dialogue writing and direction. Basically this season is the opposite problem of the Star Wars prequels, which had terrible dialogue and direction undermining a pretty good story, while Picard's top level acting and dialogue/character interaction cover over what, once you start thinking about it, is a terrible and nonsensical plot.
I haven't yet been able to view Season 3 directly yet. However, I've read some episode reviews. Watched some spoiler clips. And starship pRon blogs.
Many veteran players - including myself - have worried there would be too much disparity between the show and our 13 year old online game. Without spilling any spoilers that I do know about? My awareness today suggests to me that there isn't nearly as wide a disparity. There are compatible situations with different interpretations. Different players on the specific stage. I don't think we need a new game to make it work. And I don't think there need to be an alternate STO timeline announcement to escape the differences.
We shall see.
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I haven't yet been able to view Season 3 directly yet. However, I've read some episode reviews. Watched some spoiler clips. And starship pRon blogs.
Many veteran players - including myself - have worried there would be too much disparity between the show and our 13 year old online game. Without spilling any spoilers that I do know about? My awareness today suggests to me that there isn't nearly as wide a disparity. There are compatible situations with different interpretations. Different players on the specific stage. I don't think we need a new game to make it work. And I don't think there need to be an alternate STO timeline announcement to escape the differences.
We shall see.
In my view, there's nothing this season that differs so drastically from STO canon that it can't be reconciled with fairly minor retcons - that ceremony in 2409, for instance, is the change-of-command putting Shon in charge of the Ent-F, rather than the initial launch of the Ent-F. It does help that the show takes place in 2401 or 2402, and the only thing we know about those years in STO is that this is when the Klingons started to figure out that the Undine were infiltrating - and chose not to explain this to the Federation Council, instead demanding that we simply follow their lead in seizing the Gorn Hegemony. What we're seeing here, in fact, helps explain why the Council didn't do anything out where anyone can see - between the F-series androids going nuts at Mars thanks to the Tal'Shiar, and the Neo-Changeling infiltration of the Fleet and its subsequent subornation by the Borg, they may well have feared this was another attempt to overthrow the Federation.
Man Worf Has really Bad luck when commanding Starships first the Defiant Twice (it was cursed when she was destoryed battle Chitaka sector in Star Trek DS9 S06E26 Tears of the Prophets when Sisko Was in Command) and Now the Enterprise-E
Honestly, I was a little let down - first by the Big Bad being the Borg again (I'll be really disappointed if Queen Agnes doesn't show up sometime),
THIS IS DRIVING ME CRAZY.
The whole Borg thing is way outta left field from a story point, and changelings working with them doesn't mak a lot of sense to me, as it'd be working with/for "solids."
But seriously, Jurati was the Borg queen and watching that rift thingy at the end of season 2, so WHAT THE **** is happening?!
Jurati was apparently only able to gather a small number of Borg to her following (probably the Unimatrix Zero movement and whatever drones could be liberated without attracting too much attention from Krieg-Queen) and the Collective itself still very much exists...which is good, because if they had it where Jurati managed to alter the ENTIRE Collective's driving purpose from the past...however many centuries, well...can you say 'universe-sized suspension of disbelief'?
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Honestly, I was a little let down - first by the Big Bad being the Borg again (I'll be really disappointed if Queen Agnes doesn't show up sometime),
THIS IS DRIVING ME CRAZY.
The whole Borg thing is way outta left field from a story point, and changelings working with them doesn't mak a lot of sense to me, as it'd be working with/for "solids."
Vengeance. From Vadic's perspective (and that of her followers, who don't seem to be able to form a proper Link any more), their only purpose in existing is to exact revenge for what was done to them by S31. If that means working with this other group of solids, well, as long as the Federation gets what's coming to them, that's what's important. Remember Maxim 29: "The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more, no less."
Whatever it was that WASN'T Worf's fault in relation the Enterprise E. It has been confirmed that Worf was the Captain of the ship in the years between Nemesis and Picard.
You can read the Terry Matalas interview with Screen Rant below
Oh, someone who watches Prodigy on a large screen (I mostly used my phone for that show) found out what happened to the Ent-E.
Remember when a Starfleet task force intercepted the Protostar, was infected by the alien weapon, and started carving each other up? One of the ships there was good ol' 1701-E.
Jurati was a Borg queen, not the Borg queen. Otherwise all the other stuff with the Borg would never have happened. There is speculation that in the wake of Janeway blowing up their nexus, the Borg are now several competing Collectives, each of which thinks it's the real thing. This would explain why the cube Jack went to was so very sparsely populated, and frankly looked kind of grungy.
And the Changelings - more specifically, these Changelings, who are not part of the Great Link - explained their motivation. They freaking hate the Federation in general, and humans in particular, after what was done to them by S31 in an attempt to create a compliant breed of enslaved Changelings to fight on the Federation's side. They want to see their enemies destroyed, and aren't all that picky about exactly how. This Borg that contacted them had a plan, but needed their help to acquire some of the components. Had the original plan gone off, I'm comfortably certain Vadic would have then sought to betray these cybernetic solids as well.
Honestly, I was a little let down - first by the Big Bad being the Borg again (I'll be really disappointed if Queen Agnes doesn't show up sometime),
THIS IS DRIVING ME CRAZY.
The whole Borg thing is way outta left field from a story point, and changelings working with them doesn't mak a lot of sense to me, as it'd be working with/for "solids."
But seriously, Jurati was the Borg queen and watching that rift thingy at the end of season 2, so WHAT THE **** is happening?!
Since Krige-Queen was never totally gone? She would have recovered and become aware of the alternate Queen merged with Jurati. Borgati was never certain who was responsible for the conduit and the attack that came from it. Hence her interest in guarding it. What a perfect distraction to keep Borgati from meddling in Krige-Queens scheme. Might Borgati have caught on to such a ruse by series finale? At least enough to present Picard with a strategy?
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Picard's used to being in command. He pulled the same TRIBBLE aboard La Sirena. Riker was correct to dismiss him from the bridge - now he needs Seven back as the first officer, as she's familiar with the capabilities of this Titan and may be able to suggest strategies neither a retired admiral nor a captain of a completely different ship would think of.
Loved Worf's introduction speech, too.
I am Worf, son of Mogh, of House Martok. Son of Sergei, of House Rozshenko. Slayer of Gowron. Bane of House Duras. I have made chamomile tea. Do you take sugar with yours?
I haven't yet been able to view Season 3 directly yet. However, I've read some episode reviews. Watched some spoiler clips. And starship pRon blogs.
Many veteran players - including myself - have worried there would be too much disparity between the show and our 13 year old online game. Without spilling any spoilers that I do know about? My awareness today suggests to me that there isn't nearly as wide a disparity. There are compatible situations with different interpretations. Different players on the specific stage. I don't think we need a new game to make it work. And I don't think there need to be an alternate STO timeline announcement to escape the differences.
We shall see.
In my view, there's nothing this season that differs so drastically from STO canon that it can't be reconciled with fairly minor retcons - that ceremony in 2409, for instance, is the change-of-command putting Shon in charge of the Ent-F, rather than the initial launch of the Ent-F. It does help that the show takes place in 2401 or 2402, and the only thing we know about those years in STO is that this is when the Klingons started to figure out that the Undine were infiltrating - and chose not to explain this to the Federation Council, instead demanding that we simply follow their lead in seizing the Gorn Hegemony. What we're seeing here, in fact, helps explain why the Council didn't do anything out where anyone can see - between the F-series androids going nuts at Mars thanks to the Tal'Shiar, and the Neo-Changeling infiltration of the Fleet and its subsequent subornation by the Borg, they may well have feared this was another attempt to overthrow the Federation.
This didn't age well as there's now a lot to retcon for STO...
Just finished the final ep. while at work (Show on a second screen while I work on my main screen) and how dare they make me feel! I cried in my office in the middle of the ep. and the surprise at the end had me speechless.
My only complaints overall with this season are fairly simple and at least those issues are counterbalanced by other better things:
-it drags on too long before going "Oh TRIBBLE, we're late, we only have 3 episodes left! Time to move on and explore 80% of the true plot."
-it pretty much ignores S1 and S2 and does its own thing, even nullifying some plot points (like resurrecting Data), but my criticism is more on the principle of them doing so than how they do so, because at least S3 is good while S1 and S2 sucked and had quite some stupid situations
-it relies a lot on nostalgia, BUT at least it's handled very well
The rest is such a beautiful love letter for Trekkies and a great send-off to the TNG crew and I enjoyed watching it, compared to S1 and S2, and all seasons of Discovery.
Shaw and Vadic were particularly great, as new characters.
And it's always a treat to see Krige's Borg Queen again.
Now, it does quite throw a wrench in STO regarding the fate of some characters and ships, but it's far from really bad. You could retcon those "issues" in the game, like
replacing the Enterprise F with the G and Shon with Seven, replacing Voyager and the Defiant with other ships, giving Seven a uniform and toning down the "I'm not with Starfleet anymore" lines, making Worf more ambassador and less "I left Starfleet because they didn't take Undine stuff seriously"
Really, the only major problem that can't be easily retconned is
the fate of the Borg as they're supposedly wiped out for good after being reduced to one cube bent on Earth's annihilation instead of complete assimilation, but even then it could be explained, for example, with Alternate Janeway's pathogen splitting them in factions that don't know each other's existence
But overall, if you ignore most of the Path to 2409 lore, some of the backstories and some inconsistencies, the game pretty much survives most of the new canon.
Also, I'm glad they chose to
bring Q back, considering non-linearity regarding time and space is a facet of him that isn't otherwise truly explored.
Special credit to ESD, too. Would definitely give commendations for it being the MvP MMO tank of the finale.
I was... slightly disappointed by the reveal. If they were going to rename the Titan, I would have pushed for calling her the Shaw. And is it really proper for the captain and first officer of a starship to be, well, "involved"?
Other hand, it would appear that Janeway's actions did indeed shatter the Collective, which explains why they're so much weaker in STO - TRIBBLE, from one TFO to the next we might not even be facing the same Collective!
Pretty solid ending, though. We save the day both by blowing stuff up and by caring about one another. Very Trek.
STO is DEFINITELY its own alternate Star Trek Universe™ now.
There is 100% no way they can retcon the overall storylines of STO to align with the actual Star Trek Universe post PICARD S3.🤣
(That said, I expect the Enterprise 1701-G in a LockBox VERY soon regardless.😕
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I was also disappointed by it. Probably the only downside to the season for me. I felt it sort of cheapened the legacy of the name Titan. Plus it's supposedly an old refit so it doesn't feel quite as deserving of the name. Then again in season 2 they called the Stargazer a refit but the original was in the museum so who knows really.
With regards to how it impacts STO other than a retcon and just pretending it is still the Titan (which on the very rare occasion I would be okay with) the best theory I could come up with is
The G gets whooped by Klingons in the war and the F gets recalled into service being a larger more advanced frontline ship, refitted to Yorktown class after they decide to keep it in service and eventually after the F is retired or lost it would be replaced by the H
.
Also new Trek shows really need to slow down with the letters since we've seen future ships like the Voyager-J in the 32nd century and 2401 is already on the B. Either there are large gaps or more ships need to survive longer than 10 years in service.
My only complaints overall with this season are fairly simple and at least those issues are counterbalanced by other better things:
-it drags on too long before going "Oh TRIBBLE, we're late, we only have 3 episodes left! Time to move on and explore 80% of the true plot."
-it pretty much ignores S1 and S2 and does its own thing, even nullifying some plot points (like resurrecting Data), but my criticism is more on the principle of them doing so than how they do so, because at least S3 is good while S1 and S2 sucked and had quite some stupid situations
-it relies a lot on nostalgia, BUT at least it's handled very well
The rest is such a beautiful love letter for Trekkies and a great send-off to the TNG crew and I enjoyed watching it, compared to S1 and S2, and all seasons of Discovery.
Shaw and Vadic were particularly great, as new characters.
And it's always a treat to see Krige's Borg Queen again.
Now, it does quite throw a wrench in STO regarding the fate of some characters and ships, but it's far from really bad. You could retcon those "issues" in the game, like
replacing the Enterprise F with the G and Shon with Seven, replacing Voyager and the Defiant with other ships, giving Seven a uniform and toning down the "I'm not with Starfleet anymore" lines, making Worf more ambassador and less "I left Starfleet because they didn't take Undine stuff seriously"
Really, the only major problem that can't be easily retconned is
the fate of the Borg as they're supposedly wiped out for good after being reduced to one cube bent on Earth's annihilation instead of complete assimilation, but even then it could be explained, for example, with Alternate Janeway's pathogen splitting them in factions that don't know each other's existence
But overall, if you ignore most of the Path to 2409 lore, some of the backstories and some inconsistencies, the game pretty much survives most of the new canon.
Also, I'm glad they chose to
bring Q back, considering non-linearity regarding time and space is a facet of him that isn't otherwise truly explored.
Special credit to ESD, too. Would definitely give commendations for it being the MvP MMO tank of the finale.
Yes on replacing the F with G in Online, but Shon can still stay as it's at least 7 years out from Picard and maybe Seven turned the captain position over to Shon.
Regardless there's a lot of work to do to refit the game to the new Picard episodes.
The Borg stuff is problematic maybe they'll have to just downplay the game Borg as straggler factions or something.
The Borg stuff is problematic maybe they'll have to just downplay the game Borg as straggler factions or something.
When I run Borg TFOs, it takes two of us to take out a Borg tactical cube and accompanying spheres, and I'm not exactly elite DPS over here. That ain't the Borg that terrified the galaxy. Makes sense as leftover factions, though.
Overall I enjoyed the final season of Picard. It had far more redeeming qualities then it had of things I might have not liked as much. Though I still have questions that I'm processing. The final scenes of our TNG cast was the chef's kiss it was intended to be. A goal that was set and met. The proper farewell and closure that the TNG cast never really had. The post credits scene suggested possibilities that I could only encourage for characters.
Specific to the starships Enterprise. Choices got made to be sure. Retroactively christening the Enterprise-F in 2402 was something I could easily live with. That launch was so satisfying. However, immediately wrecking it ala STO's The Battle of Midnight was a bit much. I spied two wrecked Odyssey class starships adrift over Earth. Then flash forward one year to reveal the Enterprise-G as a smaller, older class of starship? No chance of the F having been repaired to even earn some history (as the Enterprise-E actually managed) is a travesty. I agree the Titan-A should have been rechristened Shaw. I'd have left the F an open ended story hook for future streaming program writers to exploit. Letting STO adapt as needed.
Regarding the Enterprise-D? It was used with pizzazz to it's strengths. With the right crew at the helm. And allowed to retire gracefully. I've crossed paths with STO players who tricked out their Galaxy class nicely. I saw it fly much like what I saw in this finale. So I know it can actually be done. That said, I'm ready for the Pilot seating variant.
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I was... slightly disappointed by the reveal. If they were going to rename the Titan, I would have pushed for calling her the Shaw. And is it really proper for the captain and first officer of a starship to be, well, "involved"?
The captain and a department head being "involved" was established as not being an impossibility way back in TAS with captain April his chief medical officer. Dialog made it clear enough that they were involved while still serving on Enterprise in the 2240s.
Also, TNG had hints that Picard and Beverly Crusher were one step away from the same thing, and they may have even crossed that bridge before Picard ranked out of the Enterprise.
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The story has been far from weak. Amanda Plummer as Vadic was truly brilliant, her father would be proud. She deserves and Emmy, an Oscar Everything.
Farewell Captain Shaw. LLAP \\//
The Titan is in good hands with Seven
Sorry, but I have to agree that the story is weak. In fact, it's terrible. AND they character assassinated Beverly Crusher to get the story to fit.
What elevates this is the sharp dialogue writing and direction. Basically this season is the opposite problem of the Star Wars prequels, which had terrible dialogue and direction undermining a pretty good story, while Picard's top level acting and dialogue/character interaction cover over what, once you start thinking about it, is a terrible and nonsensical plot.
Many veteran players - including myself - have worried there would be too much disparity between the show and our 13 year old online game. Without spilling any spoilers that I do know about? My awareness today suggests to me that there isn't nearly as wide a disparity. There are compatible situations with different interpretations. Different players on the specific stage. I don't think we need a new game to make it work. And I don't think there need to be an alternate STO timeline announcement to escape the differences.
We shall see.
THIS IS DRIVING ME CRAZY.
The whole Borg thing is way outta left field from a story point, and changelings working with them doesn't mak a lot of sense to me, as it'd be working with/for "solids."
But seriously, Jurati was the Borg queen and watching that rift thingy at the end of season 2, so WHAT THE **** is happening?!
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
You can read the Terry Matalas interview with Screen Rant below
https://screenrant.com/star-trek-picard-worf-captain-enterprise-e-confirmed/?utm_campaign=TrueAnthem-SR&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=Facebook
Remember when a Starfleet task force intercepted the Protostar, was infected by the alien weapon, and started carving each other up? One of the ships there was good ol' 1701-E.
So it really wasn't Worf's fault!
And the Changelings - more specifically, these Changelings, who are not part of the Great Link - explained their motivation. They freaking hate the Federation in general, and humans in particular, after what was done to them by S31 in an attempt to create a compliant breed of enslaved Changelings to fight on the Federation's side. They want to see their enemies destroyed, and aren't all that picky about exactly how. This Borg that contacted them had a plan, but needed their help to acquire some of the components. Had the original plan gone off, I'm comfortably certain Vadic would have then sought to betray these cybernetic solids as well.
Since Krige-Queen was never totally gone? She would have recovered and become aware of the alternate Queen merged with Jurati. Borgati was never certain who was responsible for the conduit and the attack that came from it. Hence her interest in guarding it. What a perfect distraction to keep Borgati from meddling in Krige-Queens scheme. Might Borgati have caught on to such a ruse by series finale? At least enough to present Picard with a strategy?
Worf in a nut shell, "Good Tea, Nice House."
This didn't age well as there's now a lot to retcon for STO...
-it drags on too long before going "Oh TRIBBLE, we're late, we only have 3 episodes left! Time to move on and explore 80% of the true plot."
-it pretty much ignores S1 and S2 and does its own thing, even nullifying some plot points (like resurrecting Data), but my criticism is more on the principle of them doing so than how they do so, because at least S3 is good while S1 and S2 sucked and had quite some stupid situations
-it relies a lot on nostalgia, BUT at least it's handled very well
The rest is such a beautiful love letter for Trekkies and a great send-off to the TNG crew and I enjoyed watching it, compared to S1 and S2, and all seasons of Discovery.
Shaw and Vadic were particularly great, as new characters.
Now, it does quite throw a wrench in STO regarding the fate of some characters and ships, but it's far from really bad. You could retcon those "issues" in the game, like
Really, the only major problem that can't be easily retconned is
But overall, if you ignore most of the Path to 2409 lore, some of the backstories and some inconsistencies, the game pretty much survives most of the new canon.
Also, I'm glad they chose to
Special credit to ESD, too. Would definitely give commendations for it being the MvP MMO tank of the finale.
Other hand, it would appear that Janeway's actions did indeed shatter the Collective, which explains why they're so much weaker in STO - TRIBBLE, from one TFO to the next we might not even be facing the same Collective!
Pretty solid ending, though. We save the day both by blowing stuff up and by caring about one another. Very Trek.
There is 100% no way they can retcon the overall storylines of STO to align with the actual Star Trek Universe post PICARD S3.🤣
(That said, I expect the Enterprise 1701-G in a LockBox VERY soon regardless.😕
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With regards to how it impacts STO other than a retcon and just pretending it is still the Titan (which on the very rare occasion I would be okay with) the best theory I could come up with is
Also new Trek shows really need to slow down with the letters since we've seen future ships like the Voyager-J in the 32nd century and 2401 is already on the B. Either there are large gaps or more ships need to survive longer than 10 years in service.
Regardless there's a lot of work to do to refit the game to the new Picard episodes.
The Borg stuff is problematic maybe they'll have to just downplay the game Borg as straggler factions or something.
The captain and a department head being "involved" was established as not being an impossibility way back in TAS with captain April his chief medical officer. Dialog made it clear enough that they were involved while still serving on Enterprise in the 2240s.
Also, TNG had hints that Picard and Beverly Crusher were one step away from the same thing, and they may have even crossed that bridge before Picard ranked out of the Enterprise.