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zizuph
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Please either make an adjustment to this or remove it from the random TFO list. My experience has been (I've been back this time for about a year and a half.) that more often than not it runs long, frequently bugs out, and/or people quit before it ends. I often see people drop as soon as the group starts forming. And I see people complain about it in chat frequently. I've reached the point where I would rather take the penalty than stick around hoping to finish one.
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Instead they just shoot at ships near the Jupiter (which can usually be protected simply by dropping tactical team on it while flying hence and forth) or at enemies elsewhere. This isn't a good reason why it should be removed from the random list or changed - it's a matter of players needing to pay attention.
If it's still bugging out because stations won't fall into the black hole, then that should be fixed. I thought it was, to be honest. I didn't encounter the issue I reported here the last time I played it. If the issue still persists after all this time, then I agree that it should be removed from the RTFO thing (and probably the universal Endeavours too), but only so long as (and if) it remains incompletable.
I was very frustrated by that mission that day, lol.
The trick, kill first group tzenketti approaching quick to allow for speedier return trip. Pick up particle while making sure not to target Tzenketti or it will interrupt particle pickup, deliver particle and repeat. Pick up particles closest to black hole first.
Also, the scenario highlights the downside of weapons autofire and also tends to pit escorts against tanks (because people with larger ships tend to bail the most, probably because their engines do not pull away from the singularity as well) which is not great either.
The problem with taking it off of the random list is that it is the less annoying of only two Lukari TFOs, and people trying to do it for an endeavor or whatever would never get it to fill enough to start without the RTFO system dumping people kicking and screaming into it.
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I would argue that Gravity Kills is the most annoying of the four. It is almost impossible getting a Dranuur Beach Assault match unless it is an active Universal Endeavour. Dranuur Gauntlet is my most frequent Lukari TFO and is the easiest.
Somehow I feel that many people dislike the missions with Tzenkethi because they're used to shooting at enemies randomly. That can work ( especially with things like drain or EPG builds), but usually doesn't when faced with Tzenkethi.
Hit cruisers first, hit them from the front. That's the general rule. One that isn't properly explained, I'll admit, because the cruisers taking priority is only mentioned in the rarely available Tzenkethi Red Alert by Martok, if I'm not mistaken.
I find it puzzling that Gravity Kills is considered more annoying than Tzenketti Front since the latter entails flying with a radiation bomb and launching it within 5Km from a base while trying not to be fired upon since that aborts the operation.
That being said, with newer weapons and more familiarity with the Tzenketti ships i feel the sting is mostly removed from these two TFO's. If you know what to do both can be done relatively swift.
If it ain't pew-pew-pew everything, random TFOs typically take twice as long as they have to because most players seem to ignore the objectives. Battle of Procyon also comes to mind. And when it comes to event TFOs I will now always avoid To Remain Klingon like the plague. It's not as if grinding out so many TFOs is time consuming enough but players want to add over an hour to it over the course of the event because they can't be bothered to move their ship from one pew-pew point to another. Really?!? With players that know the objectives the TFO can complete faster than the alternatives, but it is quicker (and less frustrating) over the long haul when you just expect other players to ignore the objectives.
Reminds me of the original Crystaline Entity. After over an hour of smashing the space bar it was "I came, I tried, Never ever again."
But in Gravity Kills you need to fly hence and forth many times while being fired upon. :shrug:
At least with those bases in TF you fly to them once, repeat 2-4 times depending on how fast the other players are and it's done.
As for launching the bomb: there are a few tricks, like using Scramble sensors, that allow you to proceed uninterrupted. Or just pushing the enemies out of range; a tactic popularised in GK, but which can work equally well in TF if you use it at the right moment. Perhaps it works even better in TF nowadays, as I understand the Tzenkethi ships have been made immune to the black hole effects.
DPS is not everything, folks.
This never seems to be an issue, or rather on the rare occasion when it is and you just can't launch, while you are drawing their fire normally another player gets a free shot at the base as the defence is concentrated on you - win win.
I have never been in a situation where more than one bomb was moving towards the same base, partially because people paid attention to which base a bomb was moving and part because the Tzenketti bomb groups usually spawned good distance from a base.
Random TFO player. Why take away whatever challenge remains.
Premade is useful for speedruns, but it tends to be boring i my opinion.
95% of people I know who play this game use autofire; but autofiring weapons interrupts things like picking up the particles in gravity kills, or releasing the tractor beams in azure nebula rescue. It's frustrating as hell to not be able to do simple tasks because the game can't handle you doing more than one thing at a time.
To be honest, simply not firing for a few seconds at all easily solves that problem.
Though I agree that it makes little sense to have the interruption in Gravity Kills. In Azure Nebula, I can see why it's there.
Strangely though, in some missions like Gateway to Greth'or it's not present. Almost like they wanted to remove the feature at some point, but then decided against it or forget about that decision.
I agree. There is more than just DPS. Unfortunately the mindset is "it can't hurt you if it's already dead".
Which in a few TFOs is actually detrimental to progression. I was once in the ground competitive TFO, and my team never even got past the first puzzle. The very basic, exists in almost every RPG, invisible path. I TRIED to get across (no I didn't have any kit modules to cheese it) but got stranded because my team didn't understand they needed to push a button for me to see the path. Instead opting for shooting the INFINITLY SPAWNING ENEMIES on the other side of the chasm. And no amount of screaming in chat to push the frakkin' button made any difference. It was pew pew solves all for them.
No it didn't guys.
When GK first came out, one of the popular, unconventional tactics that developed was to push the Tzenkethi ships INTO the black hole, either with tractor repulsors or a projected singularity. IMO it was great because it welcomed out of the box thinking. Then they made the Tzenkethi ships immune to the pull and we went back to the pew pew mentality.
oh and Tzenkethi Front is another one I avoid as well as ALL Borg Ground TFOs.
Firing wildly at anything that moves without any thought or strategy is nothing more than absent minded game play.
At the very least, the tiniest QoL change I would make to it would be removing the progress interruption of collecting particles when getting fired on. Lemme collect them anyway and run like hell.
One way of avoiding being pulled into the Black hole is to get close to the stations and then turn around, allowing your ship to travel the remainder of the distance to the particles by being dragged in a bit further.
At least then you can immediately increase the speed once you've collected the particle, without having to turn first and without taking the risk of flying head-first in yourself.
Personally, I've never had much trouble with it. Happened only like three or four times maybe that I got sucked in, and with one exception I could still escape by warping out.