As fluff goes this has been extricated from a vidiians navel
Looking down the list there's nothing that adds value to justify the bundles inevitable greedonomic pricetag.
If you don't have the reputations leveled, then yes, Poseidon. I will actually unlock the pack on my Gamma Recruit because I didn't touch the Competitive Reputation there, so I can get the engine for free (assuming that the T5 unlock will give 750 marks and 5 elite marks immediately).
The reason why I'll buy it is:
1. I have nuff ZEN without spending cash, and I skipped the Terran bundle (only going for the Adamant with my T6 Q-pun).
2. A Jhammy Attack Ship with Wingmen Mechanics and 5-2 weapon setup and pilot maneuvers is surely sweet.
3. Even though it's just for that character, but a true Vorta bridge officer (not a hologram) with a new treat (including the KW distribution on ground) is a start ... now that there is a Vorta BOff ... I still have hopes for playable Vorta some day.
4. Polaron Quad Cannons account-wide unlock is a nice bonus!
5. Since all my gear is pretty much still purple 12, it's a buff to purple 14, so I'll take that as a bonus, too.
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The 'instant 65' is moderately useful for a faux-Vorta since they have to be made in other factions that do just start at endgame naturally. I consider that the least useful thing in the package though, and I agree that it is absolutely useless for races like the hornytoads.
The other stuff is good to make a faux-Vorta feel a little more like an actual Dominion character though, and they really need it since everything they normally get is for the wrong faction (the one they were made in since they cannot be made in the Dominion faction character generator).
All in all, I would say that it is the best package available for a faux-Vorta character at the sale price (the full price is beyond ridiculous).
That reminds me of a major QoL thing for all the faux-Vorta in the game, putting a DS9 destination in the transwarp menu to make getting there between missions less of a time-consuming hassle before the 'message from . . . ' missions come up, but that is really something for a different thread.
The 'instant 65' is moderately useful for a faux-Vorta since they have to be made in other factions that do just start at endgame naturally. I consider that the least useful thing in the package though, and I agree that it is absolutely useless for races like the hornytoads.
The other stuff is good to make a faux-Vorta feel a little more like an actual Dominion character though, and they really need it since everything they normally get is for the wrong faction (the one they were made in since they cannot be made in the Dominion faction character generator).
All in all, I would say that it is the best package available for a faux-Vorta character at the sale price (the full price is beyond ridiculous).
That reminds me of a major QoL thing for all the faux-Vorta in the game, putting a DS9 destination in the transwarp menu to make getting there between missions less of a time-consuming hassle before the 'message from . . . ' missions come up, but that is really something for a different thread.
But you can't use any of that stuff for a faux-Vorta. Faux-Vorta have to be non-dominion, and everything except the ship is part of the level boost which can only be used on a Dominion faction char.
The 'instant 65' is moderately useful for a faux-Vorta since they have to be made in other factions that do just start at endgame naturally. I consider that the least useful thing in the package though, and I agree that it is absolutely useless for races like the hornytoads.
The other stuff is good to make a faux-Vorta feel a little more like an actual Dominion character though, and they really need it since everything they normally get is for the wrong faction (the one they were made in since they cannot be made in the Dominion faction character generator).
All in all, I would say that it is the best package available for a faux-Vorta character at the sale price (the full price is beyond ridiculous).
That reminds me of a major QoL thing for all the faux-Vorta in the game, putting a DS9 destination in the transwarp menu to make getting there between missions less of a time-consuming hassle before the 'message from . . . ' missions come up, but that is really something for a different thread.
But you can't use any of that stuff for a faux-Vorta. Faux-Vorta have to be non-dominion, and everything except the ship is part of the level boost which can only be used on a Dominion faction char.
I seem to have missed that caveat that all the good added stuff is in a box that is itself locked in a box that can only be opened by horneytoads. In that case the junk bundled with the ship is just useless inaccessible junk and I will not have to figure out how to juggle my very tight budget enough to get the package
The ship itself is still nice though, and the wingman mechanic would help a bit for the Dominion feel since it would mean a Vorta in command of a flight of the things, but without any of the other stuff I dont think the bare ship-and-wingman part is worth the bloat in price on their own.
Just so Cryptic knows, and @baddmoonrizin, please tell them since they dont play their own game
the dual agony pistol from legendary mirror bundle are reclaimable across all toons, infinitely
so they cant use that as an excuse of precedent
however, the 8 pack agony arent
so STILL, no precedent, because its not consistent
whether the dual agony pistol are supposed to be reclaimable across multiple toons
The Legendary Mirror bundle is not a 65 boost bundle, this is. Every boost bundle has locked their boffs and such to the character getting boosted, though I believe this is the first time a boost bundle has included a brand new boff or item that is not obtainable in any other way (which is the main reason I'm irritated about it this time around).
The Legendary Mirror bundle is not a 65 boost bundle, this is. Every boost bundle has locked their boffs and such to the character getting boosted, though I believe this is the first time a boost bundle has included a brand new boff or item that is not obtainable in any other way (which is the main reason I'm irritated about it this time around).
The Legendary Discovery Captain bundle comes with holo-disco boffs that are only available on the char that uses the level boost. A couple of the disco boffs have been available in convention promos, but I think most of them are only available in the legendary bundle.
If only Weyoun were an account-unlock I think the combo of that plus a pretty nice looking JH ship would warrant the price.
But either wasting the level-up on my already-65 character (or starting a new JH I don't particularly want to do right now) makes it iffy. Getting the ship PLUS a nice BOFF I could use on a couple alts would make a huge difference, especially since I could at least assign the clone to multiple JH alts.
Hell, even just restricting him to JH alts would make the deal sweeter so I could use him on my existing character, but know if I rolled another one for the level-up I could use him there too.
Yeah, I'll pass until there's a decent sale again. I have other uses for that kinda money.
9000z. Not 12000z. But it doesn't matter. The bundle is bad. But not irredeemable.
1) Replace the 'instant 65' token with enough rep tokens to level them all to 5 right out of the gate. The level boost -- which might take all of 1 hour and neither adds nor unlocks absolutely any game features -- is as close to literally pointless and worthless as it gets in this game. The difference between 60 and 65 is *zilch*. It's as pointless as giving your dominion captain a dozen stacks of 'free' ketracel white.
2) Account-bind the regular items the weapon pack gives you.
3) Account-reclaim for the Kar’takin and Weyoun clone.
One notable change and a couple minor ones. If they actually put some thought into these bundles, I wouldn't even have to make these suggestions, because this would be the bundle being offered already.
Yeah, i can't read apparently.
Regardless, level boost? Why, takes less than an hour to get to 65 from......60.......which Jem'Hadar start at.
JH start with a full set of XII purples (though the OG JH set hasn't aged well).
I now see why they changed rep dil.
Just. Give. Me. The. Ship. Is my point here. Plus having to roll a toon just to use Wyoun and what'sit'sface.
The thought is "how can we maximise profit?", nothing else concerns them.
Well actually not quiet I just used this one as an example I was talking about all the releases with a bunch of horse... just to justify the higher price.
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Just so Cryptic knows, and @baddmoonrizin, please tell them since they dont play their own game
the dual agony pistol from legendary mirror bundle are reclaimable across all toons, infinitely
so they cant use that as an excuse of precedent
however, the 8 pack agony arent
so STILL, no precedent, because its not consistent
whether the dual agony pistol are supposed to be reclaimable across multiple toons
The Legendary Mirror bundle is not a 65 boost bundle, this is. Every boost bundle has locked their boffs and such to the character getting boosted, though I believe this is the first time a boost bundle has included a brand new boff or item that is not obtainable in any other way (which is the main reason I'm irritated about it this time around).
Do we know that the Boff is locked yet?
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As usual it doesn't specify anything. All I read out of this is that if I have a maxed Char I can claim the Boff, it doesn't say its unique to just 1 char or that I have to use the boost for it. You could also interpret this the other way around. That's why I think Kael shouldn't make any blogs because he is unable to clarify actually the meaning of any of that...
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> @evilmark444 said: > The Legendary Mirror bundle is not a 65 boost bundle, this is. Every boost bundle has locked their boffs and such to the character getting boosted, though I believe this is the first time a boost bundle has included a brand new boff or item that is not obtainable in any other way (which is the main reason I'm irritated about it this time around).
The legendary Romulan captain bundle came with 3 Romulan and 3 Reman BOFFs with trait combos no found anywhere else. Granted these are not in the likeness of characters from the shows, but the point stands that they are unique and not obtainable elsewhere.
Just so Cryptic knows, and @baddmoonrizin, please tell them since they dont play their own game
the dual agony pistol from legendary mirror bundle are reclaimable across all toons, infinitely
so they cant use that as an excuse of precedent
however, the 8 pack agony arent
so STILL, no precedent, because its not consistent
whether the dual agony pistol are supposed to be reclaimable across multiple toons
The Legendary Mirror bundle is not a 65 boost bundle, this is. Every boost bundle has locked their boffs and such to the character getting boosted, though I believe this is the first time a boost bundle has included a brand new boff or item that is not obtainable in any other way (which is the main reason I'm irritated about it this time around).
Do we know that the Boff is locked yet?
Ready to Serve the Founders!
After being boosted to max rank, your newly-elevated Dominion captain will find themselves in possession of an equipment pack begging to be opened. This bundle-within-a-bundle represents an incredible value of high quality gear and other resources, ready to put you on the path to immediately enjoying what life at Max Level has to offer!
As usual it doesn't specify anything. All I read out of this is that if I have a maxed Char I can claim the Boff, it doesn't say its unique to just 1 char or that I have to use the boost for it. You could also interpret this the other way around. That's why I think Kael shouldn't make any blogs because he is unable to clarify actually the meaning of any of that...
The Romulan box/pack was bound to the character who bought the legendary, and the boffs were also bound to character.
Weyoun and the Jem’Hadar Kar’takin are part of the pack, and the pack is definitely only claimable once.
Account-wide Go For The Kill is the only selling point for me, but I'm not sure yet if I even need that.
The ship looks solid, but the Vanguard Warship is so good, I don't really need another Jemmy ship.
Polaron Quad Cannons is a nice extra.
As for the new trait, I don't understand the thought process behind it. Having your abilities at global cooldown is one of the main goals for every build (AtB + Techs, PhO, Boimler etc.). That trait offers no additional benefit at all, as long as it does not extend duration, or lower global cooldown.
For me, after a lot of thought. It's a pass! The lack of the account-wide Bridge Officer and ground weapon is the deal breaker. Yes, the 5 level bump is completely useless but I can get pat that. I don't think there is a single bundle they have sold that didn't contain something completely useless. The ship, I might have used on one character out of the 14 I have. Ideally, the 2 Jem'Hadar characters I have and one DS9 themed character would have been nice to have this Bridge Officer and ground weapon on. Maybe if they put the Bridge Officer and ground weapon as a Lobi pack at some point. Then I will consider buying those for the characters I want, as long as they are stupidly priced.
I can't find an official post for this (which is weird) but I had some thoughts:
- The new ship is cool. I didn't say meta, I said cool. The seating is pretty awesome.
- The legendary trait should reduce the global cooldown for the ability listed. From what I can tell, they are trying to address the meta-issue, and
this would do just that.
- The Level 65 token should extend, if not to all your characters, to include Cardassians. (Ferengi also, really).
- If you have the Vanguard Pack, all your Vanguards should have the opportunity to boss Weyoun around.
I'll likely get this bundle just because I like the Bug Ship.
The truth is I already have go for the kill from the Mudd pack.... the trait and console are useless. I don't need another toon.
So its actually about the ship then. I love the layout... I will go against the grain and say I dislike the wingman mechanic. I don't know 4500 zen for one ship... even a good one is pushing it.
If Cryptic had made this trait the 5s duration extension to all the alt weapon modes.... This would have been an instant buy for darn near everyone. Not that any of the specialist firing modes are really any good... but who knows they been updating specs. And with comparable uptime perhaps some niche builds using them could happen.
RP purposes a duration trait coming from a Jem Legendary would have been fitting... a society with engineered specialist species imparting traits to be the ultimate specialists. Would have been pretty fitting.
Cryptic if you actually read any of this.... hey its not to late to change this. Have the trait extend all the listed skills uptimes by 5s.... instead of this silly cool down reduction, which you guys already sell 101 ways of achieving anyway.
If they would not have locked everything but the ship itself to a single race that I have no interest whatsoever in playing (and it being genderlocked on top of it adds to the disinterest), I would probably buy it, but no ship is worth $45 all on its own let alone the $90 it will be after the sale period.
My personal take on the package is that it would have been good if they had not locked everything but the ship itself to a single race (and a genderlocked one at that) which makes it too niche. The ship is nice (there is some argument about that, but the balance of the posts seem slightly more towards favorable on that point, btw) and I think it would fit perfectly with my playstyle, but there is little point in anyone getting it unless they want to start maining a horneytoad so it is pass as far as I am concerned.
I care less about the leveling package and more so about the ship, the Kar'takin and the Weyoun BOff. If the latter two aren't account claimable... Eh.
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I care less about the leveling package and more so about the ship, the Kar'takin and the Weyoun BOff. If the latter two aren't account claimable... Eh.
The weapons and the boff are in a box that is inside of the leveling package that can only be opened on one Jem'Hadar-only character. So if you buy the legendary package and open it on anything but a horneytoad all you get is the ship and an unopenable, untransferable box, apparently, and even when opened by a J'H only the ship is account-wide.
That or the announcement is so poorly written that it gives the wrong impression, which I would not put past them at this point considering how iffy their proofreading has been so far.
I want the ship really badly, I love escorts and cannons, it's what I play 99% of the time.
But it's just too much for what is in effect for 99% of people a single ship ! Add to that the fact that it doesn't come with any upgrade tokens, so that's more cash to upgrade it. As a Romulan, the Boff is of no use to me anyway, but would have been great for my Regular fed human. Trait is no good at all, console is nothing special... Nobody really uses Rapid Fire ? It's not as effective as Scatter Volley..... Exp weapon is garbage. Looking at everything on the whole, it really doesn't have anything much to offer.
I think I'm going to let my head rule my heart on this one and skip passed it.
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Looking down the list there's nothing that adds value to justify the bundles inevitable greedonomic pricetag.
The reason why I'll buy it is:
1. I have nuff ZEN without spending cash, and I skipped the Terran bundle (only going for the Adamant with my T6 Q-pun).
2. A Jhammy Attack Ship with Wingmen Mechanics and 5-2 weapon setup and pilot maneuvers is surely sweet.
3. Even though it's just for that character, but a true Vorta bridge officer (not a hologram) with a new treat (including the KW distribution on ground) is a start ... now that there is a Vorta BOff ... I still have hopes for playable Vorta some day.
4. Polaron Quad Cannons account-wide unlock is a nice bonus!
5. Since all my gear is pretty much still purple 12, it's a buff to purple 14, so I'll take that as a bonus, too.
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Yeah, I'll pass until there's a decent sale again. I have other uses for that kinda money.
The other stuff is good to make a faux-Vorta feel a little more like an actual Dominion character though, and they really need it since everything they normally get is for the wrong faction (the one they were made in since they cannot be made in the Dominion faction character generator).
All in all, I would say that it is the best package available for a faux-Vorta character at the sale price (the full price is beyond ridiculous).
That reminds me of a major QoL thing for all the faux-Vorta in the game, putting a DS9 destination in the transwarp menu to make getting there between missions less of a time-consuming hassle before the 'message from . . . ' missions come up, but that is really something for a different thread.
I seem to have missed that caveat that all the good added stuff is in a box that is itself locked in a box that can only be opened by horneytoads. In that case the junk bundled with the ship is just useless inaccessible junk and I will not have to figure out how to juggle my very tight budget enough to get the package
The ship itself is still nice though, and the wingman mechanic would help a bit for the Dominion feel since it would mean a Vorta in command of a flight of the things, but without any of the other stuff I dont think the bare ship-and-wingman part is worth the bloat in price on their own.
The Legendary Mirror bundle is not a 65 boost bundle, this is. Every boost bundle has locked their boffs and such to the character getting boosted, though I believe this is the first time a boost bundle has included a brand new boff or item that is not obtainable in any other way (which is the main reason I'm irritated about it this time around).
The Legendary Discovery Captain bundle comes with holo-disco boffs that are only available on the char that uses the level boost. A couple of the disco boffs have been available in convention promos, but I think most of them are only available in the legendary bundle.
I had thought all the Disco boffs with actor likenesses were available from conventions, though I suppose I could be wrong on that.
But either wasting the level-up on my already-65 character (or starting a new JH I don't particularly want to do right now) makes it iffy. Getting the ship PLUS a nice BOFF I could use on a couple alts would make a huge difference, especially since I could at least assign the clone to multiple JH alts.
Hell, even just restricting him to JH alts would make the deal sweeter so I could use him on my existing character, but know if I rolled another one for the level-up I could use him there too.
Yeah, i can't read apparently.
Regardless, level boost? Why, takes less than an hour to get to 65 from......60.......which Jem'Hadar start at.
JH start with a full set of XII purples (though the OG JH set hasn't aged well).
I now see why they changed rep dil.
Just. Give. Me. The. Ship. Is my point here. Plus having to roll a toon just to use Wyoun and what'sit'sface.
The thought is "how can we maximise profit?", nothing else concerns them.
Do we know that the Boff is locked yet?
Ready to Serve the Founders!
After being boosted to max rank, your newly-elevated Dominion captain will find themselves in possession of an equipment pack begging to be opened. This bundle-within-a-bundle represents an incredible value of high quality gear and other resources, ready to put you on the path to immediately enjoying what life at Max Level has to offer!
As usual it doesn't specify anything. All I read out of this is that if I have a maxed Char I can claim the Boff, it doesn't say its unique to just 1 char or that I have to use the boost for it. You could also interpret this the other way around. That's why I think Kael shouldn't make any blogs because he is unable to clarify actually the meaning of any of that...
> The Legendary Mirror bundle is not a 65 boost bundle, this is. Every boost bundle has locked their boffs and such to the character getting boosted, though I believe this is the first time a boost bundle has included a brand new boff or item that is not obtainable in any other way (which is the main reason I'm irritated about it this time around).
The legendary Romulan captain bundle came with 3 Romulan and 3 Reman BOFFs with trait combos no found anywhere else. Granted these are not in the likeness of characters from the shows, but the point stands that they are unique and not obtainable elsewhere.
The Romulan box/pack was bound to the character who bought the legendary, and the boffs were also bound to character.
Weyoun and the Jem’Hadar Kar’takin are part of the pack, and the pack is definitely only claimable once.
The ship looks solid, but the Vanguard Warship is so good, I don't really need another Jemmy ship.
Polaron Quad Cannons is a nice extra.
As for the new trait, I don't understand the thought process behind it. Having your abilities at global cooldown is one of the main goals for every build (AtB + Techs, PhO, Boimler etc.). That trait offers no additional benefit at all, as long as it does not extend duration, or lower global cooldown.
I can't find an official post for this (which is weird) but I had some thoughts:
- The new ship is cool. I didn't say meta, I said cool. The seating is pretty awesome.
- The legendary trait should reduce the global cooldown for the ability listed. From what I can tell, they are trying to address the meta-issue, and
this would do just that.
- The Level 65 token should extend, if not to all your characters, to include Cardassians. (Ferengi also, really).
- If you have the Vanguard Pack, all your Vanguards should have the opportunity to boss Weyoun around.
I'll likely get this bundle just because I like the Bug Ship.
Just my million EC.
The truth is I already have go for the kill from the Mudd pack.... the trait and console are useless. I don't need another toon.
So its actually about the ship then. I love the layout... I will go against the grain and say I dislike the wingman mechanic. I don't know 4500 zen for one ship... even a good one is pushing it.
If Cryptic had made this trait the 5s duration extension to all the alt weapon modes.... This would have been an instant buy for darn near everyone. Not that any of the specialist firing modes are really any good... but who knows they been updating specs. And with comparable uptime perhaps some niche builds using them could happen.
RP purposes a duration trait coming from a Jem Legendary would have been fitting... a society with engineered specialist species imparting traits to be the ultimate specialists. Would have been pretty fitting.
Cryptic if you actually read any of this.... hey its not to late to change this. Have the trait extend all the listed skills uptimes by 5s.... instead of this silly cool down reduction, which you guys already sell 101 ways of achieving anyway.
https://arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1266395/legendary-jemhadar-vanguard-pilot-attack-ship-t6/p1
My personal take on the package is that it would have been good if they had not locked everything but the ship itself to a single race (and a genderlocked one at that) which makes it too niche. The ship is nice (there is some argument about that, but the balance of the posts seem slightly more towards favorable on that point, btw) and I think it would fit perfectly with my playstyle, but there is little point in anyone getting it unless they want to start maining a horneytoad so it is pass as far as I am concerned.
- Thot Gar - Commanding Officer of the Braaktak Kaan
The weapons and the boff are in a box that is inside of the leveling package that can only be opened on one Jem'Hadar-only character. So if you buy the legendary package and open it on anything but a horneytoad all you get is the ship and an unopenable, untransferable box, apparently, and even when opened by a J'H only the ship is account-wide.
That or the announcement is so poorly written that it gives the wrong impression, which I would not put past them at this point considering how iffy their proofreading has been so far.
But it's just too much for what is in effect for 99% of people a single ship ! Add to that the fact that it doesn't come with any upgrade tokens, so that's more cash to upgrade it. As a Romulan, the Boff is of no use to me anyway, but would have been great for my Regular fed human. Trait is no good at all, console is nothing special... Nobody really uses Rapid Fire ? It's not as effective as Scatter Volley..... Exp weapon is garbage. Looking at everything on the whole, it really doesn't have anything much to offer.
I think I'm going to let my head rule my heart on this one and skip passed it.