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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    earwigvr6 wrote: »
    Anyone confirm if the inventory slots are bound to whichever toon buys this ?

    That's part of the boost, so they go to whichever Jem'Hadar character you use the boost on.
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    earwigvr6earwigvr6 Member Posts: 293 Arc User
    I wanted to show my feelings about this really REALLY crappy pack and how poor value it is with what it's offering. In fact it's disgraceful how bad it is !

    But like an idiot I bought it. I wanted the ship and I guess that's why they have done this. Weak idiots like me are drawn to it like a moth to a flame.

    I feel used and dirty. I'm not proud of myself. :-(
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    qultuqqultuq Member Posts: 988 Arc User
    Do you like it at least even if you feel used by the cost/ value ratio? I am still on the fence about it, but at this rate I may not decide before the sale is up (and therefore never buy it unless by some miracle They sell it again at 50%). I mean, definitely want it, but I do plenty enough damage in a T5-U-X bug. I also think I would rather fly the Mudd version so I can upgrade my Ferengi’s D’Kora too. But on the other hand: I really like escorts…
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    dantebl#8103 dantebl Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    garaffe wrote: »
    It's great that they have finally committed to a legendary bug, but that thing doesn't look like a bug. It's not bad though. I like it.
    Well,you can set template in ship tailor for JHSS or JHAS.You have tons of combinations.

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    dantebl#8103 dantebl Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    strathkin wrote: »
    nccmark wrote: »
    Not sure when it's being released, though. I just arrived on the feed 45 minutes late.

    It wasn't announced, but usually ships come out a week after they are revealed on stream.

    That's usually a very fair assessment, and given that Easter is coming soon; maybe we'll hear more as they reveal a few truths at Star Trek Mission Chicago in the next few days. Don't know if anyone will post some of those to Forums, if there in Chicago yet I suspect most will be focused on socializing, and having fun.

    I know the giveaway, is open to those who can't attend; at least in Canada & the United States.
    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11513583-sto-@-stmc!

    Still this Legendary Jem ship might very well be something very interesting to consider, for at least one reason!
    husanakx wrote: »
    Full Pilot Lt Cmd Intel 5/2 escort with nice stats. Ya should be a solid ship. If the trait I hear rumors of is true what a genuine waste, cause its pure garbage. As is an experimental that targets shields. Still if you loved the bug ships this is the update it deserved long ago so ok.

    Yes, I likely agree with you and I think it will be quite nice! Still the ships value is a sum of all it's parts, and unlocking all the other skins from other Jem attack ships too! I have many if not all Jem Hadar Ships, still having the wingman mechanic in this Pilot ship will be attractive for many.

    Still I wonder what this item is... I'm still watching now to see if they said, or identified what it was?
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    And yes, they revealed it is Quad Cannons for those who use Polaron. So my Jem Vanguard like to have them!

    The item you were asking about is probably the Quad Polaron cannon.

    I have bought that bundle since they release it but i had another problem.I didn't get 2 of consoles from old Jem'Hadar ships for a set as were mentioned in release.I contacted support and they are workin on it.Those consoles,the trait and vanguard specialist trait are worth any buck.
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    earwigvr6earwigvr6 Member Posts: 293 Arc User
    qultuq wrote: »
    Do you like it at least even if you feel used by the cost/ value ratio? I am still on the fence about it, but at this rate I may not decide before the sale is up (and therefore never buy it unless by some miracle They sell it again at 50%). I mean, definitely want it, but I do plenty enough damage in a T5-U-X bug. I also think I would rather fly the Mudd version so I can upgrade my Ferengi’s D’Kora too. But on the other hand: I really like escorts…

    It's ok, but I honestly find that almost 99% of the ships are pretty much the same. I mean, let's face it, an Escort is an Escort ? Right ? I like the Wingman Mechanic, that was my main reason for getting the ship.

    But I also like the Mirror Strike Wing Escort and it's hanger bay for my Alliance fighters.

    My honest first opinion is that this ship does NOT suit the wingman mechanic. That should be saved for the bigger ships. I do actually regret the purchase lol :-(

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    darknovasc01darknovasc01 Member Posts: 164 Arc User
    I have bought that bundle since they release it but i had another problem.I didn't get 2 of consoles from old Jem'Hadar ships for a set as were mentioned in release.I contacted support and they are workin on it.Those consoles,the trait and vanguard specialist trait are worth any buck.

    There are not any other consoles with this ship. The original JHAS did not have a console, and the T6 Recon and Strike ships both had the same console, the Dominion Defense Screen, which is the only universal console you get with this bundle.

    You might be getting confused with the two other consoles that this console forms a set with, but they come from the T6 versions of the Dreadnought Carrier and Heavy Strike Wing Escort.

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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,504 Arc User
    If the wingmen were high-performance escorts themselves (apparently, they use the same destroyer-sized escorts as they have for the larger ships instead) it would be highly realistic since in the show the bugs usually ran around in threes or fours, which is one of the things that I wanted the ship package for. I still didn't get it though because the package is so expensive even on sale and mostly wasted on top of that on faux-Vorta since much of it is toadlocked.

    It makes me wonder if all of the consoles and ship gear are already installed on the ship or whether some of them locked away in the level-boost box with the ground gear.
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    husanakxhusanakx Member Posts: 1,593 Arc User
    I also hate the wing man mechanic on this ship. It just feels wrong.... and they annoyingly fly around. I like it just fine on the Jem Carrier... just more pet spam. But on the escort it just feels so ya annoying.

    I over paid... and I used to fly a bug every day, was my main ship for years. The bug was a PVP stable. This thing... sure its better in every way but I won't be flying it. Not sure I'll make much use of the trait... I guess trying to make some of the specialist fire modes work in someway can be a new mission for a bit. Perhaps some super high CritD Anti Proton surgical build on a adamant or something can keep me busy for a day and make me feel like the 4500 zen was well spent. lol
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    nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    I still think making Weyoun & that Kar'takin weapon account-wide but only for Dominion toons would've been a better player friendly measure, Cryptic not doing so is just chintzy imo.

    Also, does Cryptic know & has Cryptic officially acknowledged that the Polaron-Quads are broken & cannot currently be upgraded?

    I don't find it reasonable to buy a broken product/service unless there's a guarantee it'll be fixed.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,018 Community Moderator
    You might be getting confused with the two other consoles that this console forms a set with, but they come from the T6 versions of the Dreadnought Carrier and Heavy Strike Wing Escort.

    Also works with the T5 versions of those consoles. Downside is you're not getting the passives off the T6 versions so they're only clicky powers. But it still counts towards the set bonus.
    nommo#5819 wrote: »
    Also, does Cryptic know & has Cryptic officially acknowledged that the Polaron-Quads are broken & cannot currently be upgraded?

    They are aware and working on it. I even brought it up when talking to the other mods and CM a few days ago as I also bought the ship. Don't regret it either. She's fun and I got a decent beam build on her. And I have committed Irony, and maybe a side of blasphemy.

    I swapped the shield disruptor Experimental with Voice of the Prophets. :D
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    earwigvr6 wrote: »
    I wanted to show my feelings about this really REALLY crappy pack and how poor value it is with what it's offering. In fact it's disgraceful how bad it is !

    Between the intro sale and charge bonus I got it for $40, only ten dollars more than a normal C-Store ship. Seems like a pretty decent value to me in comparison to other STO stuff.
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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,504 Arc User
    earwigvr6 wrote: »
    I wanted to show my feelings about this really REALLY crappy pack and how poor value it is with what it's offering. In fact it's disgraceful how bad it is !

    Between the intro sale and charge bonus I got it for $40, only ten dollars more than a normal C-Store ship. Seems like a pretty decent value to me in comparison to other STO stuff.

    That combination discount does help, in my case though it would be $40 for just the ship and nothing else since I don't play horneytoads at all and that seems a bit steep even though it is still tempting.
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    nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    You might be getting confused with the two other consoles that this console forms a set with, but they come from the T6 versions of the Dreadnought Carrier and Heavy Strike Wing Escort.

    Also works with the T5 versions of those consoles. Downside is you're not getting the passives off the T6 versions so they're only clicky powers. But it still counts towards the set bonus.
    nommo#5819 wrote: »
    Also, does Cryptic know & has Cryptic officially acknowledged that the Polaron-Quads are broken & cannot currently be upgraded?

    They are aware and working on it. I even brought it up when talking to the other mods and CM a few days ago as I also bought the ship. Don't regret it either. She's fun and I got a decent beam build on her. And I have committed Irony, and maybe a side of blasphemy.

    I swapped the shield disruptor Experimental with Voice of the Prophets. :D

    Thanks rattler2 for confirming.
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    orangenee#2931 orangenee Member Posts: 837 Arc User
    earwigvr6 wrote: »
    I wanted to show my feelings about this really REALLY crappy pack and how poor value it is with what it's offering. In fact it's disgraceful how bad it is !

    Between the intro sale and charge bonus I got it for $40, only ten dollars more than a normal C-Store ship. Seems like a pretty decent value to me in comparison to other STO stuff.

    That combination discount does help, in my case though it would be $40 for just the ship and nothing else since I don't play horneytoads at all and that seems a bit steep even though it is still tempting.

    I just used some spare dil to get 2000 zen, £20 for that bundle seems more reasonable.

    Not out yet on console, but we just finished the anniversary and they said next update will be the Gamma recruit. So possibly Tuesday or Thursday.
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    torrynwoodsrunnertorrynwoodsrunner Member Posts: 28 Arc User
    After purchasing and dissecting this bundle, I have to say, I'm very disappointed in the purchase, even at 'half-off'. Once the sale is over, it will absolutely not be worth the price. Any review or opinion on this particular package will not be favorable coming from me, unless some changes are made either in price, or content of the bundle.

    However, not being one to complain without detailing my reasons and/or possible solutions, I'm providing a bit of my analysis of the bundle, as well as possible changes to consider that would give this bundle more of the value it should have at the asking price.

    First, let's look at what the bundle contains:
    1. Level 65 Dominion Captain Pack - Details below
    2. Legendary Jem'Hadar Vanguard Pilot Attack Ship - Details below

    First, let's dissect the Captain Pack:

    First, the level 65 Boost. This item is near worthless for a Jem'Hadar Captain. They start at 60 to begin with, and the journey from 60-65 takes very little time. With no boosts, my brand-new Gamma Recruit was almost 63 before even picking a side. Using one 150k XP bonus, I was 65 before I finished the Gamma Quadrant story arc. What do I need a level boost for? Especially when you're handing out 150k XP bonuses like candy on Halloween?

    No, the level boost was a bad move, with no value whatsoever. A smarter choice would be the new Elite Captain Upgrade Token. This, and perhaps an Experimental Ship Upgrade Token, would have been a much larger perceived value, and would be infinitely more useful to a Jem'Hadar Captain. To an experienced player, it would be extremely convenient. For a new player, it would give them all the hooks for future upgrade token purchases.

    The storage options are standard fare across all the Captain Bundles. No complaints there.

    The Tier 5 Reputation Buyouts are a nice addition, and something I would recommend be added retroactively to the other Captain Bundles. While Reputation grinding isn't my thing, I understand where it is for others, and it does add a perceived value to the bundle.

    This is where the one-character exclusivity should end. Everything beyond this point should be account-wide for this bundle to be anywhere close to the value/cost assigned to it.

    The full sets of Personal Equipment and Starship Equipment are fine, so long as they are account bound and not character bound (I haven't opened the box to check).

    The exclusive Bridge Officer and exclusive melee weapon should absolutely not be one-character items. This drops the value of this bundle dramatically, and goes against the general precedent of Zen Store items (except level boosts) being available across the entire account.

    Next, let's look at the ship. The ship includes the Dominion Defense Screen console, 'from previous ships within its lineage'. It also includes the Ship Tailor outfits for the previous ships in the lineage, which can be mixed and matched for some cool unique looks. We've seen this before, such as with the Legendary Command Dreadnought Cruiser (Nought? Naught? Make up your minds, willya?).

    However, the dreadnought includes all six consoles from the previous ships in its lineage (The Odyssey T5 and T6). Why is this not the case with the LJVPAS? This ship could have easily included all three consoles of the Dominion Space Set, and by precedent, should .

    Also, the last Legendary bundle, the 12th Anniversary Terran Bundle, included six Experimental Upgrade Tokens, enough for every ship in the pack (including the T6 Coupon ship) to be upgraded to T6-X. That is a perfect example of value in a bundle. As mentioned above, including a T6-X token would drastically rebalance the bundle in favor of it being a value purchase, being convenient for veteran players and a nice 'hook' for new players.

    The ship itself isn't horrible, for a Pilot Escort. However, it doesn't feel 'Legendary' exceptional, either. The Legendary Pilot Warship outclasses it in several areas, most notably the included cloaking console. Now admittedly, I'm not a huge fan of Escorts in general...but I know how to make an informed side by side comparison of them. And I do like the ship...I just feel it could have used a little more 'oomph' for a Legendary.

    Well, I think I've gone on long enough, and I hope I have made my thoughts, opinions, and recommendations clear and concise. I welcome any and all constructive feedback and discussion.

    May the Ancestors watch over you.

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    strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 2,666 Bug Hunter
    edited April 2022
    nemrodh wrote: »
    If Weyoun was accountwide I would be getting it. otherwise it just got moved to the "nope not happening".

    Weyoun should only be for Jem Hadar Faction Captains, still having said that... I wish they would at least extend him to other Jem Hadar at least. My only suspicion is that because the more basic Weyoun can be obtained from the DS9 Lockbox, they want to maintain that. In fact I had him including Loriss, yet later discarded both because they only have Ground Trait's like Klingons.

    I've long wished more Duty Officer's had Space Trait's even if not always Superior.
    earwigvr6 wrote: »
    Anyone confirm if the inventory slots are bound to whichever toon buys this ?

    You can claim the Legendary Dominion Captain's Pack on any character, as long as they are Jem Hadar. I was susprised because earlier in this thread I didn't see many things announced, and even checked Promotions and found nothing. I did so cause the Legendary Romulan bundle put stuff there; this Bundle however is located in Items, and then can claim on any Jem Character. o:)

    I bought on my KDF Jem Recruit, yet suspect I could have claimed on my FED Jem Recruit. I only did so on my Jem though as he had fewer Bridge Officer's fully trained.
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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,504 Arc User
    edited April 2022
    strathkin wrote: »
    nemrodh wrote: »
    If Weyoun was accountwide I would be getting it. otherwise it just got moved to the "nope not happening".

    Weyoun should only be for Jem Hadar Faction Captains, still having said that... I wish they would at least extend him to other Jem Hadar at least. My only suspicion is that because the more basic Weyoun can be obtained from the DS9 Lockbox, they want to maintain that. In fact I had him including Loriss, yet later discarded both because they only have Ground Trait's like Klingons.

    I've long wished more Duty Officer's had Space Trait's even if not always Superior.
    earwigvr6 wrote: »
    Anyone confirm if the inventory slots are bound to whichever toon buys this ?

    You can claim the Legendary Dominion Captain's Pack on any character, as long as they are Jem Hadar. I was susprised because earlier in this thread I didn't see many things announced, and even checked Promotions and found nothing. I did so cause the Legendary Romulan bundle put stuff there; this Bundle however is located in Items, and then can claim on any Jem Character. o:)

    I bought on my KDF Jem Recruit, yet suspect I could have claimed on my FED Jem Recruit. I only did so on my Jem though as he had fewer Bridge Officer's fully trained.

    Why should Weyoun be limited to "Jem Hadar Faction Captains" only? On DS9 he was assigned to a Federation/Bajoran station (supposedly as a diplomat, though he was really an intelligence disinformation specialist), and DS9 set a precedent of having foreign representatives present when using foreign systems like Defiant's cloak (though they let that slide later on in the case of the cloak) like the ship.

    For non-Dominion captains Weyoun would be that representative/exchange officer, and for non-Jem'Hadar Dominion captains like faux-Vorta (which have to be done in other faction generators because the devs only implemented one tiny fraction of the Dominion forces, Odo's expeditionary force) he would be the first officer and possibly an expert on Alpha/Beta customs and politics to advise the Dominion captain about.

    Having nothing but the bare ship for the price is a dealbreaker for a lot of people, but if they made Weyoun and some of the gear (especially the signature polearm) available to those with no interest in playing a horneytoad it would feel a lot less like a ripoff and so they would sell more of them.
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    howtorhowtor Member Posts: 194 Arc User
    I am just betting they will add Weyoun and the melee weapon to Mudds in 6-8 months.
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    nommo#5819 nommo Member Posts: 1,105 Arc User
    howtor wrote: »
    I am just betting they will add Weyoun and the melee weapon to Mudds in 6-8 months.

    I can sadly see that.
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    doctorstegidoctorstegi Member Posts: 1,188 Arc User
    However, the dreadnought includes all six consoles from the previous ships in its lineage (The Odyssey T5 and T6). Why is this not the case with the LJVPAS? This ship could have easily included all three consoles of the Dominion Space Set, and by precedent, should .

    The Odyssey was a 3 Ship Bundle T5 and T6. The Bug an only one ship as T5 and T6 and the Console from the T5 and T6 are nearly the same the only difference is that the T6 console has passive stats which the T5 doesn't.

    The one thing I can agree with 100% in your post the nearly idiotic move to give that Level Boost when the Char already starts at level 65.

    While I don't like that the Boff is bound to Char and not free for anyone on the account it gives him a unique status. Same goes for the Klingon Recruitment Boff you get for example. The value of the Legendary Bundle was ok it wasn't great, I could have lived without all the unnecessary fluff.
    I got all the reputation of my chars at 6 so the reputation boost is worthless to me as well. I wish Cryptic would put their fluff in choice packages like the Mudd Bundle so people who don't have already things like max reputation ect... can choose something else and feel less ripped off.

    C-Store Inc. is still looking for active members on the fed side. If you don't have a fleet feel free to contact me in game @stegi.
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    saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,392 Arc User
    edited May 2022
    Why should Weyoun be limited to "Jem Hadar Faction Captains" only?
    Yeah, every faction should be allowed to bully Weyoun as a BOff.
    Coz, let's be honest, except for number 6, Weyoun is Weyoun and he fully deserves it.

    Outside of that, as the current trend, this Legendary bundle is filled with useless overpriced items (a level boost for JH characters? What is even the point to sell a 5-level boost?), absurd restrictions and missing consoles unworthy of a Legendary variant.

    That said, for the ship itself, I'm happy the JH gunboat is finally playable and I find it to be a tough little ship and reliable, versatile and murderous enough.

    Mostly OK performance-price ratio... for the late discounted price.
    Like all "solo" Legendary bundle (except the Mirror Galaxy-X one, which is still pretty nice, content-wise, even at full price), the normal price is a laughably-expensive joke for the content.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 58,018 Community Moderator
    That said, for the ship itself, I'm happy the JH gunboat is finally playable and I find it to be a tough little ship and reliable, versatile and murderous enough.

    It is a fun little murderboat. Although some of the kitbashing options are kinda difficult to make work. But at least it doesn't have the problem the Legendary B'rel has where some parts just don't play well AT ALL and leave gaps in the mesh. (specifically neck and body connection point. Probably because the Ent BoP is a bit smaller than a B'rel variant)
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