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STO Ships are Canon!
fleetcaptain5
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The Countdown to Canon is complete. As of this morning at midnight, four Star Trek Online ships have appeared in Star Trek Picard, officially making them canon vessels. And we want to celebrate with you. Look for a special video tomorrow documenting the process of these ships appearing on the show, but right now, get a chance to save on all of these ships, and grab the Inquiry for Lobi for the first time! All of these sales last from March 3rd at 8am PT to March 10th at 10am PT.
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11510543-sto-ships-are-canon!
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11510543-sto-ships-are-canon!
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And of course it must be amazing for the designers involved. Congratulations!
https://trekmovie.com/2020/07/05/us-naval-academy-professor-argues-for-single-ship-design-seen-in-star-trek-picard-battle-of-coppelius/
More interestingly maybe they call that 1- effect standoff a “battle.” Lazy.
Commander Berube makes some good points, but the Federation may not be quite as homogeneous as his observations about fleet efficiencies seem to assume. In TOS it was fairly obvious that the Federation is not as centralized and standardized as the US, but rather more like the EU, and Starfleet was more like NATO, with a certain amount of standardization but still more variety than a single nation would tend to field.
Paramount Pictures was not interested in the kind of universe-building that a TV series needs for long term sustainability, so they ignored the structure implied in TOS and TNG pretty much continued ignoring it instead of exploring it.
Federation technology seems to lean towards abstracted standards that are implemented via plug-and-play self-adapting system-to-system interfaces (in fact they often interface with completely alien tech with little or no trouble) rather than identical copies of more elemental, basic parts (and even then, replicators can take care of a lot of the elemental parts issues), so they don't have to be completely identical to take advantage of economies of scale.
That also means that the various planets and regions of the Federation do not have to completely change over their own manufacturing toolchains and design paradigms, just make sure that it is interoperable (not necessarily exact one-to-one parts interchangeable) with Federation standards.
This approach can be seen in action in the practice of taking old but still solid hulls and completely revamping the interior systems to update them to modern standards, and even change their roles, though the size creep eventually makes old battlecruisers the equivalent of later light cruisers and whatnot.
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ummm as far as major combatants in the US Navy, you have carriers, all of which except one is more or less the same, Aegis cruisers, again, pretty much the same, and Arleigh Burke destroyers, again, more or less the same.. in addition, the engineering on the cruisers and destroyers use the same engines.
True, in dialog they mention nineteen major shipyards by name in the various series, and also mention that larger starbases and outposts also have shipyards and/or at least repair yards.
Yeah STO ships are canon, they are pretty good looking (except that new eisnberg one, the toilet and toilet seat ship, yikes tbh). It's picard and TRIBBLE that aren't considered canon by most fans.
Regarding the news itself, many STO ships look really great so they did well to choose those to display as more modern versions of the canon ships. I personally however prefer the T5 Oddyssey/'Refit' line aesthetically to the Andromeda/Sutherlad/T6 optics, and I hadn't used the Gagarin but oh well. They're nice looking ships.
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It's an incredibly well-designed (and to me, better) version of the Nebula. Now that it's in the TV show, I can hope that it gets made into one of those model figures. They already made the Andromeda and Gagarin, so the only one of the three they're missing is the Sutherland. ::Crosses fingers.::
I am a big Nebula fan as well, one of the few Eaglemoss models I display on my desk
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Eh, as long as they're stuck in streaming services, they can make all the shows they want, but odds are against me seeing them.
Then again, if androids can mindmeld "because they like vulcan culture," I suppose anything goes.
Well they'll just have to sit in space and look at it, just not use it.
With regards to VFX garbage, has anybody ever discerned what a Voth citadel is doing when initially provoked. I can't decipher it at all, I've even taken screenshots to try and figure it out.
The Sutherland and Andromeda are not refits but entirely new classes continuing the "legacy" of the 24c classes. In STO, the Venture-type is the 'refit' of those ships (what the Ent-A constitution was to the TOS one, almost new ship but built around the old hull). However, you are right - they are out of time in Picard. I wonder if STOs devs, who are so hyped about this, think about rewriting their games' history
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Hush! Game don't need more rewriting. @_@
Yeah it's a fun ship, but not very versatile.
It's a reflective shield that shoots back your own damage at you. It's not always easy to see on which side it's active.
And it can instantly kill you if you're good at the other 99% of the game.
No, not that bit. That's glaringly obvious what that does, H'urq do that one too.
The OTHER kaleidoscope going on that completely obscures the ship.
Oh and to tack on a rider, no sale for consoles I take it? Guess Cryptic hate money.
I beg to differ on the money making of this current Trek, in the last public investor open call, during the entire showing, TRIBBLE or Picard were never mentioned as a subscriber grabber or increaser as mentioned by YouTuber Valiant Renegade check for that specific converse at the 10:16 minute mark.
And once again, the only person I know officialy who 'HATE' the NuTrek, is Mr.Robert Meyer Burnett, who has declared very much since start of TRIBBLE, and Picard. And he has prudent reasons, as he and several folks who worked on the documentary portion of the NGen DVD merch. And he knows the material quite well.
But that is besides the point, if you can show a rebutal to VR's reporting on that matter, hopefully it would shine on what the numbers are for viewing.
You fail to mention that while they aren't increasers, they aren't decreasers, either. The thing about subscription services is that maintainers are more valuable than increasers in the logn run. After all, a show that increases for 12 weeks but drops all of the increase at the end of the run (or worse, increases for a single week at the end of the run as people binge it) is nowhere near as valuable as the shows that keep those increses going for the remaining 40 weeks. A show doesn't have to be a blockbuster to make money in the world of subscription services, it just has to keep people from dropping.
Ah, but it is not on me to say the actual thing, because no one in the general public has true access to the numbers, except the provider of the said IP material. And the point of that specific mention was to highlight the fact, that if preimere show(s) is doing gangbusters, should get a vocal mention to perk up possible investors interest. So, please don't deflect.
Other shows got a mention, like 1883, but not TRIBBLE or Picard, that alone speaks volumes. That is the bottom line from a business view. And as I offer evidence to the point, on what is making money, and it wasn't dismiss outright. I am still awaiting your's...and your words alone here is not enough to sustain the obvious.
And to add to the context of making money, the latest attempt by JJA on drumming up interest for a fourth ST Kelvintime fic, felled flat, as it was dissected by seveal news sites or blogs much later. That the cast was coming back, was not even discussed beforehanded before that word was dropped. It has been now indicated, that was a farce announcement and any potiental leverage that Paramount supposedly had to discuss the salaries of the possible returning stars, are now gone.
That article can be found online if researched. Take care....
The reason why Discovery and Picard weren't mentioned as new subscriber grabbers, is because the people who are fans of the shows are already subscribed. That guy is twisting the new subscriber numbers, to make it seem like the shows aren't being watched. If you have millions of people already loving pizza, and pizza didn't get very many new lovers last year, that doesn't take away the fact that millions of people still love pizza.
From the end of 2020: https://trekmovie.com/2020/11/06/viacomcbs-ceo-touts-star-trek-for-streaming-growth-and-proof-of-concept-for-paramount/
So Discovery and/or Picard already pulled in the fans. Infinite growth is a fallacy.
This is from the end of last year: https://collider.com/star-trek-discovery-most-watched-original-series-paramount-plus/
Showing that the fans that they pulled in, in the past, have remained and continue to watch and enjoy Star Trek.
They're not going to throw money away on a fifth season (already announced) if it isn't being watched or making money. The haters are just a vocal minority that would rather have no Star Trek than a Star Trek that doesn't focus on their own personal power fantasies.
EDIT: Jaturnley beat me to the punch. I probably should have finished reading the whole thread before clicking on reply. ^_^