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Well Star Trek Legacy is now Canon to STO
admiralq1732
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with Lila showing up and the borg command ship being V'Ger like it's safe to say Star Trek Legacy story is canon.
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But canon as to hat exactly as STO isn't canon for any of the shows/films (unless a show or film mentions something from STO.)
Never played ST: Legacy, but hell, having a story relating to the V'Ger incident is hardly a new thing for any Star Trek game as hell, ST:TMP is 43 years old.
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well in Legacy. V'Ger made the borg hence why the Borg Command ship ingame looks like the V'Ger ship
I prefer the race of living machines to remain a mystery. I don't go with the Borg origin thing, plus V'Ger was 300 years old or so, Borg been around for MUCH longer.
They never said that the living machines were Borg in Legacy. Voyager 6 was found and repaired by the living machines, but they couldn't understand the simple programming the probe had. I think you're thinking about the Shatner novels, which draw a much more defined connection between V'Ger, the living machines, and the Borg.
Its stated in Legacy that V'Ger created the Borg at first to assist in "learning all that is learnable" or whatever the line was. And when it couldn't find anything else like it, V'Ger decided that the galaxy was infested and the only purpose for humanoid life was assimilation. Also its implied that Voyager 6 fell into a black hole or something, and spat through time to the distant past.
Also STO can't use any material from Legacy anyways because Legacy was made by Bethesda. So its off limits, just like the Cardassian ship designs from Armada 2 because that game was made by Activision.
As Rattler pointed out STO cannot use anything substantial from Legacy, minor shout outs sure but nothing more then that so I wouldn't draw any conclusions beyond what's been literally shown on screen. This is what is part of STO story a) Borg have ships that look like V'ger and b) Lt. Illia, a character first introduced in Star Trek: The Motion Picture (released in 1979) is now part of the STO story. Anything beyond that is pure 100% speculation.
YET the Borg Command ship is V'Ger's ship instyle. and while bethseba made Legacy. Paramount and CBS own the rights so sto can as well
As far as V'ger and the race of living machines? I'm going to speculate that tying those to the Borg may be on the off limits list at least until the end of Picard season 3. The giant space tentacle monsters might be viewed as having something to do with the race of living machines. Moreso than the Borg.
No. They can't. Because that particular story in Legacy is owned by Bethesda for all intents and purposes. STO belongs to Cryptic, an entirely different company from Bethesda. The situation is exactly the same as getting ships from other games. Unless those original designs are in house, they can't be touched. So we can't get ships like:
Those designs are owned by the companies that made those games. Cryptic cannot legally touch those.
CBS owns the IP, yes. However the story of Star Trek Legacy is entirely a product of Bethesda, which was licensed to make that game.
There is no difinitive connection between V'Ger and the Borg. It is one of the fan theories that are out there. And yes while the Unimatrix ships are a direct nod to V'Ger, there is no actual, hard evidence that V'Ger is Borg. Its a nod to the fan theory regarding the origins of the Borg.
So can it happen? Sometimes, maybe, with a compelling enough reason. Will it happen? Almost certainly no.
The FASA designs are in an odd place legally since Paramount put a clause in the license that said they in effect jointly owned anything designed for Star Trek, which means the Winged Defender class (and the Wanderer class which actually appeared in live Trek as a wireframe) are theoretically fair game if CBS decides to allow it.
The problem is that the clause was very questionable at the time and Paramount decided to play it safe and never use anything from FASA in a way that could be challenged by FASA, (which is no longer an active game company but licenses its old game IP to active game companies instead), like using only the wireframe of the Wanderer (and possibly why it was upside-down on the screen) instead of a model.
All in all, it means that it is treated the same as the others anyway, so even those FASA ships are highly unlikely to make an appearance in STO (or even CBS Trek itself).
The joint ownership of any and all derivatives is pretty common, and would be in any Star Trek Licensing contract. Paramount can in theory use any ship that has appeared or been created under license. Just because that is almost always how those type contracts work. Plus they learned a few hard lessons when they ran into problems with 3rd party modelers during the TOS days. (Why Romulan's suddenly started buying and flying Klingon D-7's. There was a license issue with the Romulan BOP seen in Balance of Terror, and the builder wanted more money. They did eventually pay him off years later) Putting a derivatives clause into any and all licensing deals became pretty much pro forma by the mid to late 70's. In part because of skeevy dealings by Hollywood production companies. For example The Bionic Woman show was created explicitly to TRIBBLE the author/creator of the Six Million Dollar Man out of his TV royalties.
The Luna is an extra special case. The Luna did not just appear in books. Random House actually commissioned a full Studio Scale 5' filming miniature of the Titan. Which they took on tour to promote the books. I believe they gifted the model and the design rights back to Paramount as part of the marketing agreements. But they did realize a very tangible design of the Titan/Luna class. And it's the same design that appears here and in Lower Decks.
Besides, obviously the Terrans in STO have conquered the Borg and control them in weaponized mini collectives. What else could they possibly need Ilia for IF the game decides to link her to Borg.
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Also when Illia beamed back into ENT-nil she beamed in the nude though we only saw a blurry image from behind the privacy screen on the sonic shower before she got clothed and said screen opened, that said we saw enough to suggest that there was no major visible implants hidden by her clothes and she also have the same skin tone she had before capture. By contrast all Borg drones we have seen have highly visible implants (cybernetic ones that is) all over their body, not mention all active drones have had ashen grey skin (that or chalk white skin).
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FASA's Star Trek license was revoked by Paramount after their publishing of an unlicensed TNG manual for their Star Trek RPG at the time. FASA thought their license gave them the right to do it; but Paramount disagreed (it also used info from a way earlier version of the series Bible and other information FASA had not obtained directly from Paramount, so yeah, it wasn't 'canon accurate' but they released it BEFORE the first episode of TNG aired too).
Bottom line: FASA agreed to stop publication and distribution; but also as a result, when the Star Trek license came up for renewal, Paramount opted NOT to renew.
But yeah, the company still exists, but shifted focus opting to license out it's owned intellectual properties, in lieu of actually producing or marketing any products themselves; and if there was an agreement stating their Star Trek ship designs were 'co-owned'; yeah, that would mean FASA could demand royalties if any of the co-owned designs were used, even if they themselves no longer have the right to publish and use those designs for something 'new' themselves.
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