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STO Canonized In Disco??? [minor SPOILERS]
astrorobla
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Am I imagining things, or did a Discovery writer just canonize Star Trek Online elements in the latest episode "The Examples"???
How friggin' cool is that?!?
MINOR SPOILERS BELOW
In the teaser during a discussion on who might have created the dark matter anomaly, they list off a number of known powerful races, including "surviving Iconians". It is vague enough that it could represent a number of ideas, but it's certainly very consistent with the STO Iconian story arc.
But later we meet a Risian scientist who mentions a pet caracal he had... and I'm pretty sure "Risian caracals" were created for STO! So it kind of confirms the Iconian STO reference earlier.
Maybe there is a STO fan on the writing staff this season? Awesome!
It's so much more fun when the franchise plays nice with all of its contributors.
(edited to clarify "Risian caracals")
How friggin' cool is that?!?
MINOR SPOILERS BELOW
In the teaser during a discussion on who might have created the dark matter anomaly, they list off a number of known powerful races, including "surviving Iconians". It is vague enough that it could represent a number of ideas, but it's certainly very consistent with the STO Iconian story arc.
But later we meet a Risian scientist who mentions a pet caracal he had... and I'm pretty sure "Risian caracals" were created for STO! So it kind of confirms the Iconian STO reference earlier.
Maybe there is a STO fan on the writing staff this season? Awesome!
It's so much more fun when the franchise plays nice with all of its contributors.
(edited to clarify "Risian caracals")
Now a top-rated spotlight mission!
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As for the Caracal, those are real creatures that currently exist on planet earth. They are used in STO but were not invented by STO.
Caracel Cat.
Fair point.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Granted, it was mostly due to the prequel trilogy not happening before 16 years. But in the meantime, the rest of the franchise was trying to keep as much of the same soft-canon between each other as possible.
And also because fans love to have nods or canonization of events that weren't part of the hard canon, because some of these brought good memories and/or were popular at the time. So it's expected they'd want to have as much of the stuff they like made canon.
Personally, I see both pros and cons of acknowledging or even canonizing parts of soft-canon or not, but it's often disappointing when soft-canon is just flat-out ignored or even given the bird.
There is a reason why, even after Legends was discontinued and declared non-canon, those working on new canon and soft-canon media brought back various pieces of the Legends lore, even if they had to be altered (the Republic Commando series in Clone Wars and the Bad Batch, up to using a few sounds of the beloved game in the latter ; Admiral Thrawn in Rebels ; The Maw of the Kessel Run in Solo ; the Dark Troopers, Tython, alive Krait Dragons, beskar/cortosis, escaped Boba Fett in The Mandalorian)
The anger inducing genius guy gave me "Blue Gill" vibes, esp. with the scar on the back of his neck.... *dun, dun, duuuun!*
It would be cool if the Iconian War became canon, but unless they clearly state those specific events in a future episode it's safer to assume that it is not.
I see I wasn't the only one who had that thought.
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I wonder if that could suggest they will try to keep the STO era of the Star Trek timeline mostly off-screen to give STO some room to somewhat plausibly fit the canon,a t least in broad strokes. (Ultimately, no game would likely ever be fully canonized, because the events in the game are influenced by mechanics of the game which often don't make sense for a real story.)
I wanted to acknowledge that in the enthusiasm of my original post I never intended to imply that a couple of incidental references in dialogue would canonize all of STO. But even a clear intentional nod to elements of STO on screen is a delightful way to acknowledge the extended franchise.
Now if we can just see an Odyssey class ship in Picard...
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Not just the Verity being an Odyssey, we saw a Fhaet Intel Warbird I believe.
Apparently the Iconian mention wasn't, but the caracal reference was
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
While it may not have been intended, I do think its likely it was a subconscious reference to STO, given we know Cryptic handed over their story bible to CBS, and theres been previous references with the Odyssey class and such. I know I've run into people who believe the terms "Undine" and "Hobus" are canon because of how often they have been thrown around in the community/extended canon. STO has hammered Iconian lore into people's heads for so long people likely just think of it without actually thinking of it.
Well the Iconians were bombed beyond stone age in canon so any member of their species would be considered a survivor if contacted.
Also IIRC they referred as an empire indirectly in canon as well even if the word "Iconian Empire" was never directly mentioned, also that Kyle Jarrow person (I dunno what their role in DSC is) is clearly aware of STO so they might have used a STO term unintentionally.
Incidentally, Risian ships (seen only in STO) use regular warp drives, with a matter/antimatter power core. The soliton wave was a bust as an FTL drive, and almost destroyed an inhabited world when it was tested. (Turned out that, much like the Alcubierre-White warp hypothesis in the real world, the process would be difficult to shut down once initiated.) Our Risian ships do use soliton-wave projectors, but only as short-range weaponized gimmicks.
I thought Picard already canonized STO by having Romulans work on a Borg cube and studying Borg technology which wasn't a thing before STO.
STO actually got that from JJTrek, Nero's mining ship was augmented with Borg technology before attacking Spock and ending up stuck in the past.