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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    If this is accurate then folks have their explanation as to why things were done the way they were.
    And it wasn't a CM who gave the info, that's still the main issue.

    Heck, from this quote I also just learned the console has a second functionality that is broken, which is the chain effect.
    #TASforSTO
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,698 Community Moderator
    I remember when the last CM was here Trendy these forums where a graveyard of banned accounts and it wasn't due to her doing her job properly.

    Trendy wasn't our last CM. She was our last GOOD CM. We had CaptainSmirk after Trendy and... he wasn't that good at all. Personally I feel Kael does better than Smirk. But I agree that Trendy was one of our best. Kael's at least trying IMO, but he's also fielding multiple community sources. I wasn't on the forums enough to really get a feel for Branflakes, but got the sense he was well respected.

    One of the reasons I feel Kael's at least trying is the weekly livestreams. I think Smirk just did in game stuff. Trendy was everywhere.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • ussvaliant2#1952 ussvaliant2 Member Posts: 402 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    I remember when the last CM was here Trendy these forums where a graveyard of banned accounts and it wasn't due to her doing her job properly.

    Trendy wasn't our last CM. She was our last GOOD CM. We had CaptainSmirk after Trendy and... he wasn't that good at all. Personally I feel Kael does better than Smirk. But I agree that Trendy was one of our best. Kael's at least trying IMO, but he's also fielding multiple community sources. I wasn't on the forums enough to really get a feel for Branflakes, but got the sense he was well respected.

    One of the reasons I feel Kael's at least trying is the weekly livestreams. I think Smirk just did in game stuff. Trendy was everywhere.

    It may have been how I worded my post but I was not a fan of Trendy. She may have been more visible, but on this forum it felt like she just liked to swing the ban hammer and ban accounts for giggles the forum was littered with them towards the end of her tenure
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,698 Community Moderator
    We're getting off topic again anyways.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    Before I waste a slot with this broken console, any other bug about it I should be aware of, or is this info not available here?
    #TASforSTO
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,698 Community Moderator
    Far as we know, the only thing broken is the web chain. Still webs the primary target just fine, and compliments a Tetryon build just fine.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    edited May 2021
    We're reaching new levels in term of saying "it could be worse, stop complaining".

    "No, the console isn't broken. There is just one thing about it that is broken and another that was supposed to work but the devs realized too late it's actually impossible to work but it was still advertised like that, it is fine!"
    #TASforSTO
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,698 Community Moderator
    Hey... I want the chain to work too. But its not totally broken to the point of "don't bother" as far as I can tell.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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  • sniper1187sniper1187 Member Posts: 255 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Hey... I want the chain to work too. But its not totally broken to the point of "don't bother" as far as I can tell.

    It will work correctly, one day in the far future, cryptic will work on it for years and years, Mr Scott will come along and get it fixed within 2 minutes, (miracle worker), lol
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  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    A bit of an official statement on the console, courtesy of a Dev reply on Reddit:

    The chain not working is a bug, and weirdly it doesn't occur on the test servers or on internal builds so figuring it out is proving tricky.

    The Crit interaction was supposed to be there, but due to some strange and subtle weirdness with the engine, turned out to be impossible to get to work right (I know, learning that made blood come out my ears too). However, bonus damage works fine, so we swapped to a bonus damage vs held instead of crit sev.

    It was not intended to be a nerf, but realistically cat2 isn't as juicy as crit. The monstrous dps on the dot makes justifying amping up the bonus damage hard. There has been only one intentional change to the item since it shipped, and that's the crit to bonus damage swap.

    This item has followed a weird journey, and seems to have landed as Son of Isometric Charge. The chain is definitely coming back, it's a matter of when not if.

    So there you have it, Tholian Webspinner Array (d)evolved? into Isometric Charge 2.0, more or less.
  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    A bit of an official statement on the console, courtesy of a Dev reply on Reddit:

    The chain not working is a bug, and weirdly it doesn't occur on the test servers or on internal builds so figuring it out is proving tricky.

    The Crit interaction was supposed to be there, but due to some strange and subtle weirdness with the engine, turned out to be impossible to get to work right (I know, learning that made blood come out my ears too). However, bonus damage works fine, so we swapped to a bonus damage vs held instead of crit sev.

    It was not intended to be a nerf, but realistically cat2 isn't as juicy as crit. The monstrous dps on the dot makes justifying amping up the bonus damage hard. There has been only one intentional change to the item since it shipped, and that's the crit to bonus damage swap.

    This item has followed a weird journey, and seems to have landed as Son of Isometric Charge. The chain is definitely coming back, it's a matter of when not if.

    So there you have it, Tholian Webspinner Array (d)evolved? into Isometric Charge 2.0. Now if only they add some passive boosts to Isometric Charge.
  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    A bit of an official statement on the console, courtesy of a Dev reply on Reddit:

    The chain not working is a bug, and weirdly it doesn't occur on the test servers or on internal builds so figuring it out is proving tricky.

    The Crit interaction was supposed to be there, but due to some strange and subtle weirdness with the engine, turned out to be impossible to get to work right (I know, learning that made blood come out my ears too). However, bonus damage works fine, so we swapped to a bonus damage vs held instead of crit sev.

    It was not intended to be a nerf, but realistically cat2 isn't as juicy as crit. The monstrous dps on the dot makes justifying amping up the bonus damage hard. There has been only one intentional change to the item since it shipped, and that's the crit to bonus damage swap.

    This item has followed a weird journey, and seems to have landed as Son of Isometric Charge. The chain is definitely coming back, it's a matter of when not if.

    So there you have it, Tholian Webspinner Array evolved (devolved?) into Isometric Charge 2.0. Now if only they add some passive boosts to Isometric Charge, so we can chain spam.
  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    A bit of an official statement on the console, courtesy of a Dev reply on Reddit:

    The chain not working is a bug, and weirdly it doesn't occur on the test servers or on internal builds so figuring it out is proving tricky.

    The Crit interaction was supposed to be there, but due to some strange and subtle weirdness with the engine, turned out to be impossible to get to work right (I know, learning that made blood come out my ears too). However, bonus damage works fine, so we swapped to a bonus damage vs held instead of crit sev.

    It was not intended to be a nerf, but realistically cat2 isn't as juicy as crit. The monstrous dps on the dot makes justifying amping up the bonus damage hard. There has been only one intentional change to the item since it shipped, and that's the crit to bonus damage swap.

    This item has followed a weird journey, and seems to have landed as Son of Isometric Charge. The chain is definitely coming back, it's a matter of when not if.

    So there you have it, Tholian Webspinner Array evolved (devolved?) into Isometric Charge 2.0. Now if only they add some passive boosts to Isometric Charge; maybe a +10% CritX buff to non-standard damage (Fire/Ice/Electrical/Etc)?
  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    A bit of an official statement on the console, courtesy of a Dev reply on Reddit:

    The chain not working is a bug, and weirdly it doesn't occur on the test servers or on internal builds so figuring it out is proving tricky.

    The Crit interaction was supposed to be there, but due to some strange and subtle weirdness with the engine, turned out to be impossible to get to work right (I know, learning that made blood come out my ears too). However, bonus damage works fine, so we swapped to a bonus damage vs held instead of crit sev.

    It was not intended to be a nerf, but realistically cat2 isn't as juicy as crit. The monstrous dps on the dot makes justifying amping up the bonus damage hard. There has been only one intentional change to the item since it shipped, and that's the crit to bonus damage swap.

    This item has followed a weird journey, and seems to have landed as Son of Isometric Charge. The chain is definitely coming back, it's a matter of when not if.
  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    A bit of an official statement on the console, courtesy of a Dev reply on Reddit:

    The chain not working is a bug, and weirdly it doesn't occur on the test servers or on internal builds so figuring it out is proving tricky.

    The Crit interaction was supposed to be there, but due to some strange and subtle weirdness with the engine, turned out to be impossible to get to work right (I know, learning that made blood come out my ears too). However, bonus damage works fine, so we swapped to a bonus damage vs held instead of crit sev.

    It was not intended to be a nerf, but realistically cat2 isn't as juicy as crit. The monstrous dps on the dot makes justifying amping up the bonus damage hard. There has been only one intentional change to the item since it shipped, and that's the crit to bonus damage swap.

    This item has followed a weird journey, and seems to have landed as Son of Isometric Charge. The chain is definitely coming back, it's a matter of when not if.

    So there you have it, Tholian Webspinner Array evolved (devolved?) into Isometric Charge 2.0. Now if only they add some passive boosts to Isometric Charge, so we can chain spam.
  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    A bit of an official statement on the console, courtesy of a Dev reply on Reddit.
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  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    Wow. My previous post attempts that I thought the Forum ate a month ago got posted recently. Apologies for that. Any mod that could go back and delete those now old June 27th extra posts of mine?
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