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    seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    It's good that you can buy these individually, as I don't particularly like the way this bundle is laid out.

    Typically, a pack of 2 C-Store ships should have a value of 6000 Zen, but this one 7500 because of the extra 'filler.' I have never been a fan of this tactic, but I appreciate that making them purchasable individually for the normal 3k Zen negates this so it's not a serious issue.

    These don't interest me personally, but I can see value here and it's nice to see more ships added to the C-Store.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,152 Community Moderator
    The Oberth Console will probably find a home in some builds, but it might not be for top tier competitive runs. Shouldn't be too bad for fun builds though. I admit I probably won't use it much myself as its kinda pointless when you got Enhanced Gravity Well trait, but might be useful for builds involving Tyken's Rift or some other anomalies.
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    garaffegaraffe Member Posts: 1,353 Arc User
    Both ships, especially the Oberth, seems to have good consoles and traits for those that favor Sci builds, but I will pass. I have no interest in the ships themselves, so I can't justify buying either just for the traits/consoles.

    If they make a T6 Ha'nom, I will buy it no matter what the trait or console.
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    captaincelestialcaptaincelestial Member Posts: 1,925 Arc User
    The Clarke Multi-Mission Command Cruiser reminds me of the Jenolan, the ship that was taking Captain Scotty to the retirement colony. Yeah, the main hull is deeper, but it wouldn't take much to have Jenolan parts as an option.
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    The Clarke Multi-Mission Command Cruiser reminds me of the Jenolan, the ship that was taking Captain Scotty to the retirement colony. Yeah, the main hull is deeper, but it wouldn't take much to have Jenolan parts as an option.

    I'm not sure on the size, but from a design perspective I think the Sydney class might be better suited as a variant for the Aquarius.
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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,571 Arc User
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    These are never going to be upgraded to T6. They were released as T5s simultaeously with T6 ships. They were meant as booby prizes so that at least you won something.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,152 Community Moderator
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    But I am somewhat morbidly curiously as to what levels of mental gymnastics he will do to defend this one not having any other faction ships in it.

    How about lets not drag another thread into an argument.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,152 Community Moderator
    Didn't I say something about NOT doing this?
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    fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 4,908 Arc User
    The Clarke Multi-Mission Command Cruiser reminds me of the Jenolan, the ship that was taking Captain Scotty to the retirement colony. Yeah, the main hull is deeper, but it wouldn't take much to have Jenolan parts as an option.

    I'm not sure on the size, but from a design perspective I think the Sydney class might be better suited as a variant for the Aquarius.

    The Clarke looks a lot like the Aquarius. Would be nice if they could do something with the Oddyseys and maybe make the pets interchangeable. Or at least the parts of the playable ships.
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    fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 4,908 Arc User
    I will simply point out that, if you look at all the bundles Cryptic has done, they have pretty much never done the same kind of cross faction bundle twice. Unless one is just a generic bundle(like generic cruiser bundle), and the other is a specialized seating bundle(like a command cruiser bundle). The one exception being they did escort/pilot escort bundles for both generic faction ships, and allied faction ships. As is, Cryptic has done a bundle for pretty much every major ship type, and a specialized seating bundle for all of the primary ship types, as well.

    I highly suspect Cryptic already considers their obligation to make cross faction versions of these ship complete, and thus, they have no need to make cross faction versions of every ship because the three primary factions already have these ships in their roster.

    The only things they still have left to make cross faction bundles for are
    • The T6 Dyson Science Destroyers
    • The "Auxiliary" craft(Aquarius, HoH'SuS, Ha'feh/Ha'nom)
    • Romulan and Dominion versions of the support cruisers the Feds and KDF got(Narendra/Vor'ral)
    Beyond that the three major factions have already gotten bundles/cross faction variants for

    ENG
    • Light Cruisers(Reliant, QeHpu, Deleth)
    • Heavy Cruisers(Andromeda, Negh’Tev, D’Khellra)
    • Miracle Worker Cruisers(Scott/Daystrom/Tucker, Mur'EqAntaak/Klothos, Nijil/Varel/Tebok)
    • Battlecrusiers(Arbiter, Kurak, Morrigu)
    • Command Battlecruisers(Concorde/Geneva/Presidio, An'quat/Klinzhai/Ty'Gokor, Baratan/Deihu/Vastam)
    • Dreadnought Cruisers(Yamato, Kolasi, Kara)
    • Allied Flight Deck Carriers(Pralim, Blackguard, Silik)
    • Heavy Dreadnought Cruisers(Universe, Durgath, Valkis)
    TAC
    • Normal Escorts(Valiant, Kor, Malem)
    • Allied Escorts(Shikaris, Slithus, Hathos)
    • Pilot Escorts(Ajax/Icarus/Mercury, Qui'tu/Klavek/Kortar, Khaiell/Jaeih/Okhala)
    • Allied Pilot Escorts(Kuthar/Chimesh/Thozyn, Oniros/Nemosin/Xechas, Dynnasia/Ikkabar/Vandros)
    • Recon Destroyers(Lafayette, Ketha, Rahhae)
    • Destroyers(Manticore, Duvqu', Dinaes)
    • Temporal Destroyers(Klein, Chargh’poH, Tal’aura)
    • Strike Wing Escorts(Alita, Qa’Tel, Jhu’ael)
    • Temporal Warships(Edison, Chargh, Kholhr)
    SCI
    • Science Vessels(Sutherland, Naj’Sov, Laeosa)
    • Temporal Science Vessels(Verne, Qul'poH, Sui'Mor)
    • Multi Mission Science Vessels(Palatine/Esquiline/Brigid, Khaimas/Ihgomas/Ahgamas, Surhuelh/Taenen/Galas)
    • Science Carriers(Aspero, Vo’devwl, Ra’nodaire)
    The remaining Fed ships lacking a T6 version like the Nova, Saber, Cheyenne, etc., will probably be released in bundles like this new Genesis bundle, rather than a cross faction bundle, as a result. Other faction ships like the Picard Romulan warbird(not Oh's flagship) will also probably be one offs as well.

    I doubt they'll ever make a T6 Aquarius, let alone create a bundle around it with multiple ships. The ship doesn't seem to be that popular. Especially given that it's pretty cheap to get (200.000 fleet credits equals, even when solely obtained through dilithium, something like 400 zen only at a price of 500 Zen).

    I think it would have made more sense to add the Aquarius to the Clarke (or, as it will be now, to the Miranda family). So that players can basically get a T6 Clarke and use the Aquarius skin on it. On the pic that's taken from the front, the ships look similar enough imo.
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    [3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.

    [6/12 9:59][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 24097 (13711) Physical Damage(Critical) to Elite Tactical Drone
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    avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,201 Arc User
    I'd love a T6 Tempest.
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    nrobbiecnrobbiec Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    I thought the concept of a t6 oberth could have been cool, since the odyssey is like a big oberth a new version could have been like a mini odyssey but I don't know it seems a bit low effort to me. Looks too much like a simple reskin.
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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,571 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    These are never going to be upgraded to T6. They were released as T5s simultaeously with T6 ships. They were meant as booby prizes so that at least you won something.
    You can keep saying this, but Cryptic has said every ship in the game will get a T6 version eventually.


    If so true, why didn't you list the T5 Mirror Ships?
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    megainexoros#5925 megainexoros Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    Ahh, the T6 Oberth...now they have 0 excuse to not release a T6 Nova...absolutely 0. How long has it been since it was requested?
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    megainexoros#5925 megainexoros Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    Ahh, the T6 Oberth...now they have 0 excuse to not release a T6 Nova...absolutely 0. How long has it been since it was requested?
    But there is still the Saber, Norway, Olympic, and Cheyenne, for canonical ships they could do before the Nova.

    0 excuse. Just get it done already.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,152 Community Moderator
    You know these things take time right? There's stats, design, making sure the new parts play well with the old parts, console, trait, texturing, making sure ALL the vanity items play well with the model/textures... current projects being worked on that could affect the ship team...

    You can't just snap your fingers and make a ship. Its coming. Hell... they even mentioned the Nova in the last livestream so cool off.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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    duasynduasyn Member Posts: 492 Arc User
    edited June 2021
    I was kinda hoping for a T6 Nova just to stop the whining. :D

    I think these look good overall.
    I could live w/o the Grissom one having those tiny little extra warp pylons. Just seem out of place, imo.
    Nice how the Clarke is a callback to how the Miranda was initially designed, with top nacelles.

    And is this the first time Cryptic has actually put the REAL trait & console stats in the blog? Usually they just give generalities and you got to find that info on a 3rd party site.
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    megainexoros#5925 megainexoros Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    You know these things take time right? There's stats, design, making sure the new parts play well with the old parts, console, trait, texturing, making sure ALL the vanity items play well with the model/textures... current projects being worked on that could affect the ship team...

    You can't just snap your fingers and make a ship. Its coming. Hell... they even mentioned the Nova in the last livestream so cool off.

    How many years has it been? Snap fingers? Hardly.
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    duasynduasyn Member Posts: 492 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Oberth..... I don't actually want or like and I hate the Grissom model. However, it has a Trait that'd be of great benefit to my other Science ships, and which I suspect may become a 'must have' Sci trait, and a decent console too.

    Yes, I had to give a standing ovation to Cryptic for thinking up Starship Traits. Brilliant marketing.
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    megainexoros#5925 megainexoros Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited June 2021
    duasyn wrote: »
    Yes, I had to give a standing ovation to Cryptic for thinking up Starship Traits. Brilliant marketing.

    Take some of that brilliant marketing, slap it on a T6 Nova to stop the "whining." win-win
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    kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    The biggest question is...do we get the campest Katie Price-esque bridge known to man, as seen in TWOK?
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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,152 Community Moderator
    kayajay wrote: »
    The biggest question is...do we get the campest Katie Price-esque bridge known to man, as seen in TWOK?

    Same way we got the Galaxy and Intrepid interiors. We get a mission set on a Connie. And preferably not have to pay 2k zen just for the interior.
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    steaensteaen Member Posts: 646 Arc User
    edited June 2021
    I'm tempted to get the Malachowski/Clark on it's own, but the rest of the bundle doesn't interest me at all.

    As always the art is great, but I've never liked the Oberth design in any form or variant.
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