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Are TOS Gorn a Race Now?
nrobbiec
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Race meaning variant of a species. There's a lot of them in the present day now, the warden on qo'noS even got redesigned. With two very different looking versions of the species co-existing and the design not being just a reference to the 60s rubber suit could there be an in-universe reason like different subspecies?
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While on the topic of Orions, their society is pretty interesting, Green Orions live in a matriarchal society, also while Green Orions are the most common they have plenty interesting sub-species like Ruddy/Yellow to Orange Orions https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Ruddy_Orion that might not be canon due to only appearing in the FASA roleplaying game, however since TAS is canon Grey Orions https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Grey_Orion might exist but due to them being a slave caste and their severe handicaps I can't see them showing up in game.
None of that is canon. They had a different colour in TAS because of a colourig error, there are no different Orion ethnicities or "subspecies" in canon. STO has them on KDF side because they wanted a World of Warcraft situation where you have a blue faction and a red faction with unique races that featured inherent boni.
Regarding the Gorn, please don't pull a "Augment Virus" here - there are no subspecies either. It's simply how they used to look and how people thought they should look in a more "modern" setting. They are the exact same Gorn.
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Actually, it is not just FASA with the Ruddies though they were the only ones to actually use the term "Ruddy" for them, technically the script for ST5 The Final Frontier called the lanky and definitely not green person with the overgrown BB gun right at the beginning of the movie that becomes Sybok's first convert an "Orion", and the bald merchant that looked human who was sitting with Pike and the Starfleet officer during the Orion illusion in The Cage was also supposed to be a non-Green Orion.
Considering how ancient the Orion civilization is it is not hard to imagine that some of the Caj (the Orion equivalent of great houses) might have mixed with other races to the point where they lost the green coloration.
The gray TAS Orions, while actually being a mistake because the art director was colorblind (no joke, but then again a lot of TV was black-and-white at that time anyway) have a fanon explanation that they were Greens who got so little ultraviolet in their ships that their chlorophyll metabolisms went dormant, since they are nothing like the FASA Gray Orions. I imagine Tendi and Gaila probably have to sleep in something like tanning beds to avoid that after wearing the all-too-covering Starfleet uniforms in the already ultraviolet-weak earthlike lighting of Federation ships.
I believe one of the artists was color blind, hence the pink uniforms for Klingons.
This. And the same argument can be used for other species like the Klingons, Andorians, Saurians, and Tellarites.
> This. And the same argument can be used for other species like the Klingons, Andorians, Saurians, and Tellarites.
I agree. In our own history, different species of humans existed at same time. No reason to think the same can be possible for Gorn home world or the other races you mention.
That would s how I reason it in my mind for STO when I see different Gorn/Klingons/Andorians/Tellarites in the game.
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It isn't the Klingons, this is Cryptic's fault, when they add a new species, Gorn, Orion, Romulan, and whatnot, they never add the new faction for the species. I was extremely disappointed years ago by them telling my Romulan to pick the Feds or KDF after the tutorial ends. Romulans are too vain and egotistical to hook up with a subclass species. Sure some might join Vulcans but not the Feds or KDF. At that point they were just being lazy. Then they brought in TOS and move you into the future... again more lazy writing and planning. I want a lot more factions! I want the freedom to choose more than just heads or tails.
That's also my headcanon for the Romulan foreheads of TNG. I thought they looked terrible and made for an unnecessary deviation from the idea that they were distantly related to Vulcans that TOS established. So I prefer to think of unridged Romulans as perhaps being originally from a different planetary region than the ridged ones.
And thank the Elements my Romulan Captains can be set without forehead ridges.
Well... both versions were seen in Picard, as Picard had a couple Romulans, both apparently ex-Tal Shiar, at his vinyard. The guy had more TNG style features while the woman had more TOS features. And she called the guy a Northerner, playfully slapping his forehead.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
For example lets say most "western" countries fled Earth and settled on another planet lets call it Terra, an alien species might think the "white" ethnicity was something that exclusive for Terrans since it's practically non-existent on Earth.
There is a popular fan theory though that the ridges help them handle damp conditions better (probably something in the underlying sinuses), so the northerner reference could be related to that if the northern hemisphere tended to be damper than the southern one on Romulus.
Exactly, Forehead Ridges seem to be a Vulcanoid trait, some Romulans had them, Remans had them, Mintakans had them and even some Vulcans like T'Paal had them https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/T'Paal_(isolationist) it's much rarer to find a vulcanoid race without any forehead ridges.
> Well... both versions were seen in Picard, as Picard had a couple Romulans, both apparently ex-Tal Shiar, at his vinyard. The guy had more TNG style features while the woman had more TOS features. And she called the guy a Northerner, playfully slapping his forehead.
> https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Laris
> https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Zhaban
Thanks for that. In my defense, I found so much of Picard to be poorly executed and not to my taste that I thought I had just imagined that part.
That's because they wanted to get as far away from the rubber suit look as possible, it's still a Gorn just changed/"updated" visuals. LD honoured what came before though and made Gorn look closer to how they looked in TOS and TAS. LD even used TAS footage in a very clever way, it's a big difference in how those shows approach the history of Star Trek - one is 'ashamed' of it and tries to change it, the other respects and plays with it.
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