I'm a Temporal Refugee Now...

unotetsu · September 2020

I logged in as my 23rd century only captain and realized that I could queue up for the Borg/Tholian/etc red alerts.... YAY!!! I thought and queued up for them thinking, great more EXP for my "stay in the 23rd century Captain!"

Well I fought this strange cube like alien ships and this big long ship... and I got their weird things call "marks"..... so I was like awesome!!!

I am gonna go back and putter around the tiny corner of the galaxy the federation is... I went to leave and all of a sudden my astrometrics officer gave me the bad news.... We have jumped forward almost 200 YEARS!!!!

I can't go back, I tried to return to Earth, they they won;t give me permission to enter the system.... I had a mission the Caleb system but I am 200 years too late....

I wanna go back...... I miss my conversations with Admiral Garrett......

No system will have me, not even Risa!!! They won't even let me land....

WHY WHY!!!!

I blame Ensign Hunter...errr Daniels.... I knew I should have tossed him out the air lock the first mention of "Temporal" Shenanigans!!!!

mustrumridcully0 · September 2020

Can you use the Transwarp to Mission button on a 23rd century mission to get back?

foxrockssocks · September 2020

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

Can you use the Transwarp to Mission button on a 23rd century mission to get back?

As I recall, you can't because it doesn't exist. They don't allow you transwarping till you get into the main playspace as your main faction. This goes for baby Roms too.

unotetsu · September 2020

foxrockssocks wrote: »

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

Can you use the Transwarp to Mission button on a 23rd century mission to get back?

As I recall, you can't because it doesn't exist. They don't allow you transwarping till you get into the main playspace as your main faction. This goes for baby Roms too.

So my character begins their journey to try to find a way home.....

rattler2 · September 2020

If I'm interpreting this right... you managed to level a TOS while staying IN the 23rd Century to the point of being able to do TFOs... did one... then got dropped in the normal 25th Century map...
I think you hit on something that was never meant to happen. I don't think they intended for anyone to stay in the 23rd Century and do endgame content.

Easy fix might be to tag TOS characters to prevent them from queuing for TFOs until X happens, probably completing a certain mission in the Klingon War arc would be best.

disposeableh3r0 · September 2020

You're not actually IN the 25yh century. You're stuck in an adjacent plane seeing the 25th century but unable to interact with it

unotetsu · September 2020

Success!!!

I didn't find a way home, but.... I found a way to Join up with starfleet in 2409!!!!

Just pull up the allegiance selector!

/gensendmessage Allegianceselector_Fullscreen show

Just pick starfleet!

DONE!

I had fiddled around with macros a while back and at one point accidentally stumbled into the allegiance screen.. and thankfully I wrote that command down in my notepad notes at the time.

I had these link in my notes, I think it was what led me to play around and stumble into it.

https://freetoplaymmorpgs.com/star-trek-online/star-trek-online-keybinds-guide/

I guess I cannot go home no more, but at least I live in the future!

No longer homeless, Now I have to run/re-run the battle of caleb IV for the "first" time, LOL

unotetsu · September 2020

Now to go shove Daniels out the damned airlock!

disposeableh3r0 · September 2020

> @unotetsu said:
> Now to go shove Daniels out the damned airlock!

It doesn't work. A version of him just keeps coming back

rattler2 · September 2020

somtaawkhar wrote: »

And this has nothing to do with that. 23c and Discovery era captains are already coded faction 1 from the beginning since there is no point in which they get to make a choice about which faction to chose. They are always Federation.

^ This.

DSC and TOS Feds are still Feds by default.
Its Romulans and Jem'Hadar that have to pick an ally before they can TFO.

unotetsu · September 2020

YIKES!!!!

Didn't mean for my temporal misadventures to start a literal civil war here.....

rattler2 · September 2020

unotetsu wrote: »

YIKES!!!!

Didn't mean for my temporal misadventures to start a literal civil war here.....

Welcome to the forums.

rattler2 · September 2020

This became an issue because they rearranged when TFOs normally unlock, and the OP never progressed in the story to where it would normally be unlocked.

TOS and DSC Feds are still Feds. The fact he was able to queue up despite not having left the TOS era pretty much proves it.
This isn't proof of anything except an unforseen issue when implimenting TOS Feds, that being someone willingly staying in the TOS era and leveling though alternate means, then queuing for a TFO without finishing the TOS arc.
Normal Feds can't access TFOs until a certain point. Does that make them "Faction 0" before that point too?

sirsitsalot wrote: »

I do wonder what would have happened had you selected Klingon. Would you have been a TOS-era traitor and be seen by the game as a member of the KDF, even though you'd be flying a TOS-era ship and wearing a TOS-era uniform who can then go on to command Klingon ships and have KDF BOffs and DOffs?

I predict... it would error out or just break the character entirely, rendering it unplayable.

rattler2 · September 2020

By all means. Go for it.

But this doesn't prove squat other than revealing something that is probably a bug. When TOS Feds were made, they never intended for the player to STAY in that era forever. Natural progression would have led TOS Feds into Caleb IV, and then the 25th Century, where the rest of the game was. TFOs used to unlock around lv 45 or so, preferably 50, as they were once considered endgame stuff, LONG after a TOS Fed transitioned into the 25th Century.

By being able to queue up for a TFO... it showed that a TOS Fed IS considered a Fed faction player, despite the fact they had not reached the normal unlock point for TFOs via normal progression.
All this was a consequence of something that was not meant to happen, IE leaving a TOS Fed in TOS era by not running Caleb IV, while still leveling through alternate means.

chastity1337 · September 2020

sirsitsalot wrote: »

Waiting for the usual white knight to come riding in to prove me wrong. Not gonna happen. We now KNOW.

somtaawkhar wrote: »

They never said it was impossible to add more missions to the existing Romulan, Klingon, 23c Fed, etc. etc. faction specific mission sets. They have only ever said they think its a better use of money to make something everyone can play.

The only lie is your claim they said it was impossible.

(muffled laughter)

phoenixc · September 2020

The TOS era character could very well start out as faction 0 instead of faction one, in fact faction 0 could be where all the tutorials are, but even if it is that does not mean that everything can be swapped around without serious problems.

Games like these run on databases of tables, very big and complex tables, and unless the tables match up then switching from one to another can make for some very scrambled results. A human TOS character that switched would end up as whatever the key number is on the other table, so the human might end up as a Klingon if both are, say, the first entry on the corresponding table. Going down the table by making a TOS Vulcan or Andorian could get the character switched to an Orion, Gorn, Leithian, or whatever the corresponding number is.

And that is assuming it works at all. For one thing, different races have different options, some have hair sliders, some don't, etc.

By "not possible" they probably mean not possible in a way that is actually viable. Eventually they probably could do a series of database reorganizations to make a single Alliance faction for everyone, but doing that is basically rewriting the game using the same engine. If they can do it in small stages over time they might be able to spread the expense out enough to make it worth doing, but if it cannot be done that way the expense would probably never be approved since it would be almost like developing the game all over again.

chastity1337 · September 2020

phoenixc#0738 wrote: »

Games like these run on databases of tables, very big and complex tables, and unless the tables match up then switching from one to another can make for some very scrambled results. A human TOS character that switched would end up as whatever the key number is on the other table, so the human might end up as a Klingon if both are, say, the first entry on the corresponding table. Going down the table by making a TOS Vulcan or Andorian could get the character switched to an Orion, Gorn, Leithian, or whatever the corresponding number is.

Looking forward to an amusing graphic from Smoke Bailey to illustrate this...

phoenixc · September 2020

Jett mentioned something in one of the livestreams about "cross faction" ships actually being two ships, one in each of the two faction ship tables. That sounds like that switching experiment would run into table collisions, as would any attempt to unify the faction databases. I suspect that the TOS character switching to a KDF one would end up either with the starting B'rel or some random low level KDF ship if it worked at all.

It sounds like an interesting experiment if someone has the time to do it though I would caution them and suggest using a new "disposable" account in case it really messes things up.

I'm a Temporal Refugee Now...

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