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I'm just suggesting that with the amount of spawn camping and one shotting of t-rexs, the ultra slow space BZ pace, and then the aspect of the tzenkethi one anything from someone completely oblivious to their mechanics or just one person trolling a map making it impossible to play. Plus as slow paced as it is and the lower amounts of dilithium it really should lose the pressing F and waiting time gate and be replaced with some actual combat.
So Cryptic lets take these zones and make them BATTLE zones mkay! Yeah lets see like fleets of ships battling for those areas and quick interacts over long interacts and hardly any combat/battles. So with the question asked what with Picard would I like to see well that ending where there were two fleets possibly about to start fighting that is what we should be seeing for these territory control type of maps. Also pacing that doesn't allow for spawn camping and one shotting final bosses either. Plus another suggestion is doing like some game companies do and having partner program where hands on day to day issues are handled and dealt with to head off problems like we face now that just have manifested over time.
So Cryptic lets take these zones and make them BATTLE zones mkay! Yeah lets see like fleets of ships battling for those areas and quick interacts over long interacts and hardly any combat/battles. So with the question asked what with Picard would I like to see well that ending where there were two fleets possibly about to start fighting that is what we should be seeing for these territory control type of maps. Also pacing that doesn't allow for spawn camping and one shotting final bosses either. Plus another suggestion is doing like some game companies do and having partner program where hands on day to day issues are handled and dealt with to head off problems like we face now that just have manifested over time.
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As for one shotting most everything. Yeah, don't expect that to change. God Mode is the normal for STO.
Yup, pretty much.
As for the BZ's, they spawn more enemies as numbers increase in the area in most cases. The issues the Dev's have is balancing maps so they can be handled by a small number with MK XII equipment. If they make them more challenging folk complain because it's taking more than 5 seconds to destroy a ship.
Of course "if" Cryptic ever revisited Dyson Battlezone to try to stop camping you know they'll take the easy/lazy route and just nerf the rewards so the zone dies a death
Hello rubber banding my old friend, time to bounce around the battlezone again, where are all my bug reports going?, out of love with this game I am falling, As Cryptic fail to acknowledge a problem exists, Shakes an angry fist, And from Support all I'm hearing are the sounds of silence.
The Dyson Ground Zone is one I still don't get. People love this awful zone and I could never figure out why. I avoid it like the plague because to me it's an insane waste of time. If you don't know exactly where to be and exactly when to be there.. you get nothing. Total waste of time.. I hate it.
The Gamma BZ I don't even count. It's not a battle zone and it's not fun. Same with the TZ Zone, that's just a place you go when you have an endeavor that makes you go there. I never understood why after making 2 really good zones like the Undine and the Badlands.. that they decided to change the formula for the next two zones. The Gamma and TZ Battle Zones are painfully awful. I would hate to see them make too many changes to the Undine or Badlands Zone though.. I think they're quite cool myself.
I do also enjoy the Kobali Zone.. the fast respawn makes sure you always have targets to fight, and I like that.
The Tzenkethi Zone is close to what the Badlands and Undine are, but the problem is that instead of having ships come in recap the zone, they just flip on their own with no warning.
Gamma... they tried to make an entire quadrant map a battlezone where you queue in for specific actions in specific sectors. Didn't really work very well I think.
The Gamma BZ works for me. Especially with the extra participation reward, the more you do, the more marks and dil you get at the end. It also worked because I was leveling a Rom char when the library bug was in play. So, I leveled it from like 20 to 50 via the Gamma BZ, while waiting on the library fix.
Also with the one shotting in Dyson and Undine space BZs. They're level 50 to enter, or was, with the new skip to any part once you've completed the story arcs on one char, I don't know what level you have to be to enter them So, they're scaling is still off.
Badlands and Gon'cra are the only two 60+ battlezones we have.
You want a forgotten BZ, well if you can call it that, go to Otha. It's a mix between a battlezone and a competitive map, complete with scoring system.
Badlands gets interesting when you have folk near enough to give the spawn rate a nudge, best example being the generator with the blue ring that is really scary to members of the mindless pewpew set. You can always tell when a swarm of players is coming your way when the combat gets interesting for that few seconds between them being close enough to tweak the spawns and actually being close enough to do something.
For what it is goncra is well placed at the asscrack of the beta quadrant. Some decent enough tasks but the broken timers on recapture made it even less worthwhile than sysiphus and his boulder pushing. I get the feeling most only go there when they have to obliterate some kethi then leave straight after.
Yeah, unless you want the accolades for the battlezones. The best thing to do here is what I do, queue up random advanced TFO, do it, grab the marks I want/need from the Random reward box, and move on with my day. The only bz where the reward is worth it is Dyson Ground. Everything else you can get more off from a random normal. Elite marks, ehhh, trade for 1 per day if you must. It's still better than the battlezones.
Though you can use the bz to speed up elite mark gain, if you have nothing better to do.
One run of the Badlands gets you plenty of Terran and Temporal Marks, 3 Elite Marks from each of those reps and around 2800 Dilithium. You convert the Marks and the Elite Marks to Dilithium and it can be quite lucrative, especially if you horde the marks and cash them in while you have the bonus from Ferengi Reputation.
Personally, I don't know the exact perfect trick to get credit in the Dyson Zone so to me it's completely worthless. Unless you know exactly where to be and when you make nothing running that zone.
The undine zone works pretty good, but I think its pretty easy, even for fresh characters with mismatched gear from leveling. That said, the constant annoying slows from undine torpedoes and bubbles are obnoxious.
The space turtle zone is awful. I'm sure others covered the why long ago, I only go there to get endeavors done if necessary.
The badlands works pretty well I find, and I have no complaints. It seems I'm not alone for how popular it tends to be.
Kobali prime is okay, but the respawn rate is a tad absurd, as is the aggro range of the enemies. It is very easy to pull half the map without even trying, and then the stuff you just killed is respawning well before you can kill the rest of the parade coming to kill you. Tweak it a bit and I'd be happy with it.
I kinda like the gamma quadrant, but it honestly takes far too long to join a queue if no one else is in the queue so its often hurry up and wait which is boring.
Defera ground I don't bother with. I never did bother with it when it first came out either.
Dyson ground Voth Battlezone: you have to think of where everything is in relation to said V-Rex spawn, just start at the areas furthest from them, and work to that spawn as a goal over time. Of course take the transporter first to give you a boost in consumable points. The worst two V-Rex are the Park due to the large swath of landscape you have to transverse, and the City because the transporter is so far from the V-Rex. But otherwise it's a nice farm for stuff. They could improve the stage maybe have the V-Rexs + Voth "battalions" spawn in a pathing way to the Omega Silo Towers, and forcing everyone to figure out where they are, and dealing with the groups to the thing. Maybe even throw in some tower defense type thing at Each tower. can make it for each thematic alliance group covers a different one (City=Federation, Park=Klingon, and the Outskirts=Romulan)
Undine/Voth Space zone are fine. Badlands is basically the same. Kobali Prime is okay (though the section with the defuse the mines could be reworked better), but the spawn rate is still too fast in some areas, they really intended people to group up I think even with their Boffs. The Gamma Quadrant Battlezone is interesting, it's okay to do sometimes. I feel like the queue thing is kind of an issue. But I'm not sure how one would remedy that one so much as just accept it's based on the PvE thing.
Space Turtle...err I mean Tzenkethi Battlezone: Horrible, Horrible Time. The asteroid collection is doable by 1 person, the warp inhibitor ones almost are doable if you are able to keep up with the respawn by yourself, but likely to be better done with a second person, don't you come over here Mr. 3! you'll cause more to spawn---though probably be fine as you just have to keep them from reactivating the blasted upside-down umbrella (that you can't tell what color it is because the transparence in space textures have been screwed up in game for ages even though you have a Nvidia 1080 GTX....and no amount of driver patches fixes it because it's got to be something in game....at least you are pretty sure...). And dear god, the freaking control spheres, you just try to keep them out, but every other player congeals to these, and then the numbers of Tzenkethi go up, and then take forever to capture, thereby enabling Tzenkethi in their super power of production then go on to re-capture other points because everyone is focused on these, or too many people are trying to do the other two capture the flag/king of the hill so the space zone never gets to the last stage anymore.
I may or may not have picked up the two Command Credit Assignments, and the Kill Voth one. I don't pick up the Capture Two Points because I usually only do the Outskirts.
I am there for Endeavors only so the other stuff is usually immaterial.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
One thing to remember is that the Dyson Ground Zone also features 4 daily missions that award extra Dilithium and Marks. You won't get those Voth Implants if you just pursue these, but the missions are still rather easy to do. You could rotate through multiple characters and get some nice extra Dilithium.
It's not my favorite, and I mostly go there for the Voth and Ground Damage endeavors, but it's okay.
I like the Badlands, the only thing I hate are the satellites. So boring, just looking at a progress counter and kill a few enemies... Pressing F might not be much of an interaction, but it's better than that.
What recapture? As I mentioned earlier Goncra doesn't send ships to recap like in Badlands or Undine. It just flips on its own. Hell... there was a time we could be working on the King of the Hill spots, almost have it, then suddenly "we've been overrun" and the particular sector we're ACTIVELY WORKING resets as if it just flipped back to full red. Feels more like Gon'Cra is working timers a lot more. At least in the Badlands and Undine zones you can actually TELL when a sector is in danger of flipping and can counter it. In Gon'cra? Nope. It WILL flip no matter what.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Correct, zones in Gon'cra flip no matter what.. players can't actually stop it. They have 'tired to fix the zone' a couple of times.. but they still don't seem to get what the actual problem is.
Gon'cra is a lost cause.. it's somewhere you go for Endeavors.. nothing more.
Isn't that one of the signs for the end times as predicted by nostrildamus?
No. I think that's playable Borg Cubes. Juggernaught doesn't count because it still has a relatively defined front.
Remember, New Romulus and Nimbus aren't Battllezones. They're adventure zones.
Gon'cra isn't the only place to suffer from the visual problems. I know the lane battle Undine TFO(can't remember the name) does as well. If you cross down below a certain point Weapon visuals and such just cease to work. The same happens in the stop them from getting to the gates portion of the Herald Sphere, and in the boss fight portion if I'm not mistaken. I'm pretty sure that I've seen this in other places, just don't remember where right off. Like you on this, I know it's not my AMD RX 570 X....X....X 8gb GPU. This is on the game.
Voth Space and Undine Battlezones are little more than park and pews. You have a couple things you need to move a bit for in the Undine one. The Voth Ground bz, when I go to this one. I don't play, I automatically just swap to one of the lower population instances, and then proceed to go what needs to be done. Knowing where the V-Rex is, that one is simple, they're not far from each section transport padd. Well, aside from the city and having to circle around to get to it, instead of just running over there in a few seconds.
Kobali, yes the original intent of that was for people to team up. The mine field part I actually enjoy, and can be done alone. But for this one, having a friend along is a never a bad thing.
Gamma, the one suggestion that I'e seen about this that makes sense, is to allow the mission to start with just 1 person in queue. Then others can join in.
Gon'cra timers are bad, yes. I think since it's been out I've completed the entire thing 1 time. I haven't even been to this one in a year, so I can't say much worse it gotten since then.
It's really not that bad. I still see a pretty decent number of people in it every time I pop in there. The main reason I don't go there more often is because it's out on the edge of nowhere. If there was a fast-travel option from DS9 or something, I'd probably run around there more often.
I just wish more people understood you have to punch the ships in the nose/forward arc(other facings get something like a 90% damage cut, IIRC) and gravity wells can actually be a detriment for that very reason. It does still have some mechanical issues(friendly control tickrate is WAY too slow when you're defending), but it's pretty doable provided people space themselves out instead of zerging a single point.
that's what i always do now instead of wasting a lengthy CD transwarp that you don't even get until you've made some progress into lukari rep
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'