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Space Forces uses Star Trek Symbol as Emblem
lordgyor
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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/01/24/politics/space-force-star-trek-logo-donald-trump/index.html
Is it wrong that I'm glad they did use it, copyright be damned ?
Is it wrong that I'm glad they did use it, copyright be damned ?
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WHAT SPACE PIRATES?!
Apparently the Space Force symbol is just a modified version of the Air Force Space Command symbol. So if someone copied Star Trek, then it wasn't Trump.
Looks more like the Terran Federation logo from Blake's 7 to me, just turned on it's head with a starfield backdrop
They are also getting things backwards, in that the people developing that starfleet logo were taking cues from real life military logos of the US, so there is that as well
There are 2 options here: either they were so lazy they didn't bother even comparing it to the existing AF symbols OR they knew it was based on those existing AF symbols and still intentionally pushed this "copying Trek" narrative. Either way makes them untrustworthy.
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Join Date: Sep 2008
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> There are 2 options here: either they were so lazy they didn't bother even comparing it to the existing AF symbols OR they knew it was based on those existing AF symbols and still intentionally pushed this "copying Trek" narrative. Either way makes them untrustworthy.
CNN/MSM being untrustworthy worthy, that is like saying is water wet.
2063 here we come!
Actually, the Starfleet Delta wasn't from the Air Force one, it is a standard googie aesthetic arrow pointing upwards which is not surprising considering Jefferies used that design aesthetic a lot. In my old neighborhood there was a little strip mall that used the same arrow (though pointing sideways at an angle instead of up) years before Star Trek first aired for instance. Just look up googie architecture and you will see a lot of variations on it.
Not to mention Roddenberry didn't exactly come up with the emblem himself, he took inspiration from other things.
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My personal favorite take on it, though, was with a stylized dagger going through the globe behind the delta, surrounded by the words, "UNITED STATES SPACE FORCE - TERRAN EMPIRE DIVISION".
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
But it is not Trump that copied the Star Trek symbol since they have used a variation of that symbol since 1982.
The source of inspiration becomes more obvious when you look at the in-universe precursors to the Starfleet logo.
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oh? and who didn't endorse it? right not the potus...
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
If you want to blame a POTUS for using the Star Trek symbol, then blame Reagan. All Trump can be blamed for in this issue is using a variation of the insignia used by Air Force Space Command for almost 40 years.
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That is an incorrect statement. If you have paid attention to the current presidents campaign ads on his FB page along with his wife, both have used what you call "coincidence advertisements." CA's are ads that have different backgrounds and colors along with the same wording used in other presidential adds where the words have been changed but the meaning is still the same.
Coincidence Advertisement is coincidentally called plagiarism or the inability to constructively develop your own campaign slogans and ads.
A coincidence advertisement does not equal plagiarism. Plagiarism is when you take someone's words, claim them as your own, or do not properly cite them. I have no problem with the new United States Space Force logo. Also, this thread is about the Space Force logo and not his campaign ads.
I thought the shapes were ship specific too at first, but it turns out they are for divisions, not individual ships. There were supposed to be six, and the costuming department got them right for the most part, the "Exeter patch" was the only mistake though it could be easily written off as a division that was being merged with the general starship service division and Tracy's ship simply had not changed over yet.
The fact that TMP shows only the starship service patch could be taken as Starfleet having went though a big reorganization in the late 2260s or first year or two of the 2270s where the "fleet" part of Starfleet becomes the face of the service so they use the general starship service patch style instead of by division any more.
If they hadn't done that reorganization or whatever it was then the people in DS9 would have been wearing either the starflower of the starbase division or the sideways pinecone looking emblem of outpost/colonial division.
Yeah, I know, none of that really makes sense, but let's be honest - ol' Gene was a great visionary, but not really much of an SF writer. There's a reason why it was Dorothy Fontana who touched up scripts, not Gene.
Actually it makes sense it would be given to the United States Air Force and not the Navy. Since the Navy is usually at sea and involves naval missions while the Air Force deals with stuff in the air. This would be in space and not on ground. So to me it does not feel wrong. Also, great recruiting tool for people to join.