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  • foppotee#4552 foppotee Member Posts: 949 Arc User
    Just passing this along -

    Video that is related to the Picard Bundle and this Thread

    Really interesting video regarding this "Picard Bundle" from beginning to end.

    This is the cost of a STO full expansion which offers much more & again this is Federation focused.

    I do enjoy the double-edged sword that Cryptic jib-jabs back & forth about regarding starship bridges: Cryptic claims bridges are not worth the effort in producing or improving so Cryptic doesn't, but then uses bridges as filler to place in bundles for perceived value.

    Adding a Psionic Resonator as a ground device would've added something brand new & more value to this bundle.

    Quick cash grab, which if it had enough value wouldn't be bad, & I like Cryptic's attempt to innovative thinking, but lousy execution & poor presentation.
  • paddy#3322 paddy Member Posts: 126 Arc User
    While this bundle is an easy pass, I'm interested to see if more lock box ships will be sold this way. There are a number of ships that I'd be interested in purchasing and if the bundle was better then this one, I'd pull the trigger on it for 6k zen. But only if it was a really good bundle and the ships were account wide unlocks. Maybe a nice Tholian bundle for instance.
  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,386 Arc User
    I'll take "Marketing is out of touch with reality" for 6000, Trebek!

    (Seriously, there have been a number of offers lately that have really left me scratching my head. Did something change recently with your marketing personal?)
  • ee3452pee3452p Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    szerontzur wrote: »
    Did something change recently with your marketing personal?)

    I've got the same impression, that certain management/marketing decisions have gravely deviated from how Cryptic had handled things in previous years. Recently it has taken on EA-esque forms, and we all know how popular that company is. Introducing Mudds market in a very sloppy way right before Black Friday/Christmas most likely has more hurt Cryptic's sales than done any good.

    Greed by Cryptic only results in me spending less and less, while generosity by Cryptic and delivering good episode content will result in me spending more. I would suggest 6000 Zen for the Picard pack as a regular price, and then 5000 Zen as discounted introduction (you don't need to go much lower than that). That I would consider a "fair" price for all the items.
    A zero cost way for Cryptic to finance and expand the foundry

    https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1247522/foundry-sunset-april-11th-2019/p15

    Look at my post about a Foundry Ship

    BRING BACK THE FOUNDRY!
  • jennycolvinjennycolvin Member Posts: 569 Arc User
    So, the bundle is going live today and we still don't know for sure if the T6 will, in fact, be account unlock.
    That much they could've said, if they really didn't want to answer the other questions we have about this bundle.
    Of course, we're gonna read it anyway in the bundle's description in the Z-Store - or at least, I hope so! - but really... is that such a hard question to answer?​​
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  • foppotee#4552 foppotee Member Posts: 949 Arc User
    szerontzur wrote: »
    I'll take "Marketing is out of touch with reality" for 6000, Trebek!

    (Seriously, there have been a number of offers lately that have really left me scratching my head. Did something change recently with your marketing personal?)

    I think they have Star Citizen envy, but I've always thought Cryptic's marketing has been a bit zealous. I just either buy or don't buy if I think it has enough value, voice my opinion about it, & have gave up trying to figure their reasons for their decisions.
  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,062 Arc User
    While this bundle is an easy pass, I'm interested to see if more lock box ships will be sold this way. There are a number of ships that I'd be interested in purchasing and if the bundle was better then this one, I'd pull the trigger on it for 6k zen. But only if it was a really good bundle and the ships were account wide unlocks. Maybe a nice Tholian bundle for instance.

    yes, or a kelvin bundle or Terran Bundle, etc.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,094 Arc User
    C-Store Ship == Account Unlock
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  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 1,720 Arc User
    It is also particularly frustrating to have one of these ships and realize this would probably work better for a different character that is specialized into different weapons and a different build than the one I use it on, cause it is stuck on the character I open it on. Because of how expensive that process is, to upgrade a whole set of different weapons, respec and all of that just to try out a different build, I rarely even do it for normal ships, yet an accountwide unlock would also help that situation be less frustrating because I could just use it on the character I think it is better for.

    I pulled this part out in particular because I think it gets to the crux of argument. Would I like to see the promo, lockbox, and other ships go account wide, yes, I absolutely would for the simple fact I would be able to claim virtually any ship on any toon since I own them all. So again YES PLEASE however I also recognize that's not going to happen without some other way for Cryptic to keep the cash coming in. As it is right now, you have various checks to keep you from simply opening a box out of the blue and there's a reason it can be a pain in the aft shuttle bay to open one. When you get a lockbox ship, promo, lobi etc, it's up to you to make sure you open it on the correct toon, and is absolutely not their problem if you don't. I know that sounds cold, but it's not their problem to make sure you open the box on the correct toon, that's purely on you. I'm not going to complain if they make them account wide, but that won't happen until a way is found to make sure Cryptic is able to make at least what they are now, or perhaps more than they would have by keeping them character specific.


    Ultimately we don't know for sure all the potential ways to buy the items will be. All we know is just this one bundle so far, and with every large bundle that I've ever seen them do, you could always pick and choose what you wanted/needed with very very very rare exceptions to that rule. I would encourage folks to wait and reserve their judgements until we actually have it in hand

    No you're really misunderstanding what I wrote. I do think through a ship and its build and which character I would use it on, heavily. So great is that decision that with a number of these box ships I see that I like, I can't actually decide which character would be best for it, or even if I should make a brand new character purpose built around that ship because I can't quite figure out the build for it without actually flying it and seeing how it all works together. Frankly none of my builds do go unchanged from the drawing board to their final state.

    That is why I only have 2 box ships despite having played this game since launch. I do not get them, I do not chase them, unless I'm stupidly sure of what I want to do with it because I know full well I'll figure something out and want to change and try new things, yet my ability to do so is limited. If/when they become account wide, suddenly I don't have that red light stopping me from exploring these ships and their possibilities, and that means I might actually buy some more.
  • haarddhaardd Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    WHAT, no flute???????
    one of the MOST IMPORTANT things in Piccard's life.........FORGOTTEN
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  • dexterbateman416dexterbateman416 Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    haardd wrote: »
    WHAT, no flute???????
    one of the MOST IMPORTANT things in Piccard's life.........FORGOTTEN

    not gonna lie, I laughed pretty hard at this...
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  • dexterbateman416dexterbateman416 Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    ok, I'm confused, why does it say I've purchased the bundle in the C-store when I haven't bought it?
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  • syrupofsquillsyrupofsquill Member Posts: 106 Arc User
    edited January 16
    Shows buyable for me now on rom or different fed, If you already have one the fed ships commissioned it might not show up maybe?
  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,396 Arc User
    edited January 16
    Looks like you cant buy if you have most of the stuff like the galaxy pack.
    https://imgur.com/5zj26S4

    well there goes the question about a discount for owning parts of it already. 0% discount cause you wont be able to buy it if you already own the T3 or T5 ships.

    edit: Having 2 tommy guns in inventory/characters will break bundle...
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  • dexterbateman416dexterbateman416 Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    Shows up as buyable on my Romulan but not my fed.

    it doesn't show up as buyable on anyone for me.
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  • dexterbateman416dexterbateman416 Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    so I'm kept from owning a ship I have wanted for a while because I was supporting the game?! where is the logic in that, I'm so furious right now I could start a franchise of logic defying movies starring the The Rock...
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  • ronthefanronthefan Member Posts: 33 Arc User
    Well, as someone that likes having a new ship dumped in their lap, I welcome the Miradorn raider to my collection.
    Or I WOULD, if I could get it.
    Perhaps because the only thing I don't have from that bundle is the raider, I can't buy it.
  • syrupofsquillsyrupofsquill Member Posts: 106 Arc User
    edited January 16
    ronthefan wrote: »
    Well, as someone that likes having a new ship dumped in their lap, I welcome the Miradorn raider to my collection.
    Or I WOULD, if I could get it.
    Perhaps because the only thing I don't have from that bundle is the raider, I can't buy it.
    I just tested it, It is having 2 tommyguns in your inventory already that breaks it, Delete unupgraded one and it becomes buyable.
  • blitzy4blitzy4 Member Posts: 807 Arc User
    It shows up as purchased for me, even though I haven't bought the pack, but I own all the parts of it. The ship however isn't in the tier 6 part of the store. Interesting.
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  • dexterbateman416dexterbateman416 Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    blitzy4 wrote: »
    It shows up as purchased for me, even though I haven't bought the pack, but I own all the parts of it. The ship however isn't in the tier 6 part of the store. Interesting.

    same thing that has happened to me. except no raider and no privateer outfit anywhere to be seen.
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  • blitzy4blitzy4 Member Posts: 807 Arc User
    same thing that has happened to me. except no raider and no privateer outfit anywhere to be seen.

    It really depends on what they're going for. If this is a way (a test) to allow general usage of lock box ships, then it might be bugged but not working as intended, if not bugged but working as intended.

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  • dexterbateman416dexterbateman416 Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    blitzy4 wrote: »
    same thing that has happened to me. except no raider and no privateer outfit anywhere to be seen.

    It really depends on what they're going for. If this is a way (a test) to allow general usage of lock box ships, then it might be bugged but not working as intended, if not bugged but working as intended.

    you have a point there, but I'm still reasonably annoyed.
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,396 Arc User
    ronthefan wrote: »
    Well, as someone that likes having a new ship dumped in their lap, I welcome the Miradorn raider to my collection.
    Or I WOULD, if I could get it.
    Perhaps because the only thing I don't have from that bundle is the raider, I can't buy it.
    I just tested it, It is having 2 tommyguns in your inventory already that breaks it, Delete unupgraded one and it becomes buyable.

    what about ships? Does owning the T3 and T5 also break it or just the gun?
  • ronthefanronthefan Member Posts: 33 Arc User
    blitzy4 wrote: »
    same thing that has happened to me. except no raider and no privateer outfit anywhere to be seen.

    It really depends on what they're going for. If this is a way (a test) to allow general usage of lock box ships, then it might be bugged but not working as intended, if not bugged but working as intended.

    This is ridiculous. I will GLADLY pay the 3K of Zen to get the raider on its' own, bonus being ALL my toons get to use it, but having ONE part of the bundle invalidates buying it.

    Someone get in contact with the devs so they can un-TRIBBLE this.
  • syrupofsquillsyrupofsquill Member Posts: 106 Arc User
    tigeraries wrote: »
    what about ships? Does owning the T3 and T5 also break it or just the gun?
    Was just 2 of the guns in inventory for me, already had galaxy pack and ships, even showed up on a toon with a miradorn commisioned, i deleted un-upgraded tommy gun and showed buyable for me.

  • dexterbateman416dexterbateman416 Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    tigeraries wrote: »
    what about ships? Does owning the T3 and T5 also break it or just the gun?
    Was just 2 of the guns in inventory for me, already had galaxy pack and ships, even showed up on a toon with a miradorn commisioned, i deleted un-upgraded tommy gun and showed buyable for me.

    I tried that, got no different result. oh well, glad you got it. :)
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  • ronthefanronthefan Member Posts: 33 Arc User
    Did the same. No boat.
    tigeraries wrote: »
    what about ships? Does owning the T3 and T5 also break it or just the gun?
    Was just 2 of the guns in inventory for me, already had galaxy pack and ships, even showed up on a toon with a miradorn commisioned, i deleted un-upgraded tommy gun and showed buyable for me.

    I tried that, got no different result. oh well, glad you got it. :)

    Same. I got rid of my tommy gun, but still cannot get it.
    If Cryptic put the Raider in the ship up for sale separately, there would be no complaints. They haven't.
  • angarus1angarus1 Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    Far as account wide unlocking of the Miradorn, it will most likely work like the Galor and t5 Dominion ships did during Victory is Life. The Galor was an account wide unlock and I don't see why they wouldn't retroactively unlock it for the Miradorn folks. If they don't, then I suspect they will sell just that ship individually on its own at some point and folks can pay the 3k zen to unlock it for your account. It would suck to have to pay the 3k zen instead of it being a retroactive unlock, but at least it would be an unlock. I do know folks have been asking for some of the lockbox and promo ships to be made account unlocks for awhile. How they go about it or should go about it is up for debate, but is a different can of worms. I do have to ask though, define what you mean by "this isn't the one I want" and that 4th statement I quoted above. What exactly do you want?

    As for number 5, I would like to see them do a retroactive thing for account unlocks, but I'm not going to be surprised if they don't either. As a service to the customers I would hope they do a retroactive thing, but if not I see it like buying an item then getting mad that a week later they put that same item on sale and demanding a partial refund.

    I wouldn't mind my lockbox T5 Galor being a retroactive account unlock, mostly for the disruptors. :) But sadly it's not.
  • nikolunusnikolunus Member Posts: 162 Arc User
    I wish the dev's would engage with us a little on here, and not just leave things to build in one direction or another. Like of you already have the lobi outfit and the Miradorn do those become retroactively account unlocks now? Cause honestly, least from my point of view putting them in the c-store like this kills or should kill their exchange market value. Not to mention what should that mean for the outfit in the lobi store or the Ship in lockbox drops.

    Sadly I am not surprised to see that there is no discount for owning most everything in the pack, I would consider it just for the account unlock of the Miradorn and the Lobi outfit, as it would give all my toons access to the ship trait and the experimental weapon, instead of the singular toon that is themed as a Pirate around that ship.
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  • darthoricidarthorici Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    Any one that does not have the ter 6 ship. Getting the red text saying you own THE PICARD BUNDLE when when you have not bought it?
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