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The Phoenix Prize Pack Stays!

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To better help you defend the final frontier, the Phoenix Prize Pack is changing on PC. As of this morning, the Pack will remain available indefinitely, but the ability to claim a free pack a day will be suspended. These changes will come to Console in a future update.
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  • foppotee#4552 foppotee
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    Still a nice addition, but dang that exhilarating roller coaster ride of emotion with wide-eyes & jaw-dropped first reading this announcement up till, "but the ability to claim a free pack a day will be suspended." lol I suppose a freebie per day is too much to hope for, but let us be real for most of us it is just a free upgrade per day. lol As said, still a nice addition.

    I'm still wondering why Cryptic has lock boxes dropping as loot since we can pluck them up for free now anyways. I guess it is for appearances to make us feel like we're receiving more loot.
  • trillbuffettrillbuffet Member Posts: 861 Arc User
    Hopefully some things get added into the epic section that are more useful/better rewards where even if you are semi active in the game there isn't really anything decent to choose if you happen to get that rare epic drop lol. Hopefully soon there is some blog to address this with the pack soon it just feels like a waste to break something down into lower rarity for upgrades when the thing is such a low chance drop.
  • talgeezetalgeeze Member Posts: 198 Arc User
    Some clarification required : are you permanently removing the ability to claim a free pack or do you still plan to run "Phoenix events" occasionally ?
  • sthe91sthe91 Member Posts: 6,021 Arc User
    edited December 2019
    talgeeze wrote: »
    Some clarification required : are you permanently removing the ability to claim a free pack or do you still plan to run "Phoenix events" occasionally ?

    I have the same question. Please clarify those who are in the know. Thanks. :)
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,215 Arc User
    What happened about the idea for account wide unlocks from the pack?
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    > @avoozuul said:
    > What happened about the idea for account wide unlocks from the pack?

    The "Mudd store"?
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,215 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    > @avoozuul said:
    > What happened about the idea for account wide unlocks from the pack?

    The "Mudd store"?
    I thought they were pondering on making ships from the phoenix box account wide?

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  • robeasomrobeasom Member Posts: 1,911 Arc User
    So the only way to get them now is to pay for them. no thanks there not worth it
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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 2,671 Bug Hunter
    edited December 2019
    avoozuul wrote: »
    angrytarg wrote: »
    > @avoozuul said:
    > What happened about the idea for account wide unlocks from the pack?

    The "Mudd store"?
    I thought they were pondering on making ships from the phoenix box account wide?

    They were apparently, but no word on what, if, how, or when, that might in fact occur. It's why some are speculating they are either considering options for the Mudd store, or perhaps instead just decided to make Phoenix available all the time.

    Or maybe are still considering it.

    Still that is just speculation on my part, so the only thing we can do is wait...
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  • robeasomrobeasom Member Posts: 1,911 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    > @robeasom said:
    > So the only way to get them now is to pay for them. no thanks there not worth it





    No. Sorry to sound harsh but you seem to not understand how these boxes work:

    Phoenix boxes cost = Dilithium
    Dilithium = very much FREE via NUMEROUS in-game methods

    Net cost to you = z e r o

    I mean, granted you can convert zen to Dil, but that’s an option, not a necessity.

    Dilithium is not free as you spend time to grind it out. however I have never spent Dilithium on these boxes and there still not worth the cost from Dilithium either
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    robeasom wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    > @robeasom said:
    > So the only way to get them now is to pay for them. no thanks there not worth it





    No. Sorry to sound harsh but you seem to not understand how these boxes work:

    Phoenix boxes cost = Dilithium
    Dilithium = very much FREE via NUMEROUS in-game methods

    Net cost to you = z e r o

    I mean, granted you can convert zen to Dil, but that’s an option, not a necessity.

    Dilithium is not free as you spend time to grind it out.
    The free boxes weren't free either then, because you needed to grind them out, too - after all, you have to go to a specific location in game to get them.
    however I have never spent Dilithium on these boxes and there still not worth the cost from Dilithium either

    You also don't upgrade your gear then, I guess? Because Phoenix Boxes are definitely worth spending Dilithium on for upgrades, the cost of upgrading via a Phoenix Upgrade is effectively lower than upgrading with Superior Upgrade Kits. (And if you use tech or quality boosters, you'd get more out of them with a Phoenix Upgrade too.)

    I think I'll dump all the superior upgrade kits from my account bank now. JUst need to find one of my alts with some free bank space.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,670 Community Moderator
    Making Phoenix Boxes always available is nice, but I think in the long term its only a temporary solution to the DL Exchange. Still... it is pretty good.
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  • foppotee#4552 foppotee
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    I thought suspended by definition meant "temporarily halted" or something similar? I wasn't reading it as Cryptic taking away any free Phoenix tokens altogether in the future.

    I figured this is a band-aid tactic towards the inflating dilithium exchange rate.

    I like Cryptic trying new things, being innovative, but that means there will be some winning & losing propositions.
  • apollopldapollopld Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    I have the same question, why have you stopped the daily claim pack of the Phoenix Prize thing? I have not collected one for 2 days because it is not available to claim. I know it is once a day, but if you are going to suspend it, why leave it active, is that not rubbing things in our faces.

    Oh look here is Grym the person you can claime the Phoenix Prize Pack from, but guess what we are leaving him there and suspending claiming the Pack for no good reason given.

    I am not happy

    As to the Lockboxes, I want to echo anothe rusers question if we can claim them free on the Zen Store why are they in drops? It would be better to drop blue items and occasionally purple instead of these lockboxes as while claiming them free on the Zen store is okaym, you still have to pay to get the keys to open them, granted spending real money to get Zen is cheaper than paying over a Mil in EC in game just for one key and same for Dilithium spending to get zen.

    Although Dilithiun exchange has been aorund for years, but the exchange rate has gone up to extortionate levels, there should be like a cap on it for say 200 Dilithium for 1 Zen as an example.

    I know the Dilithium Exchange is user set, but still when the prices are to high for most to use it, what is the trouble of putting in a Dilithium cap? Just asking.
  • paulda73paulda73 Member Posts: 47 Arc User
    I have the same problem with the Daily Free Phoenix Prize Pack claim from Grym too, seems you can only claim a Prize Pack trhough the Dilithium Store> Special Items and Boxes > Special Items.

    So while the ability to claim a Phoenix Prize pack is still there, why have you stopped the free daily one?
  • dragonhef01dragonhef01 Member Posts: 417 Arc User
    Also, the normal forms should get a boost to rarity to keep them a little relevant.
  • foppotee#4552 foppotee
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    apollopld wrote: »
    I have the same question, why have you stopped the daily claim pack of the Phoenix Prize thing? I have not collected one for 2 days because it is not available to claim. I know it is once a day, but if you are going to suspend it, why leave it active, is that not rubbing things in our faces.

    Oh look here is Grym the person you can claime the Phoenix Prize Pack from, but guess what we are leaving him there and suspending claiming the Pack for no good reason given.

    I am not happy

    As to the Lockboxes, I want to echo anothe rusers question if we can claim them free on the Zen Store why are they in drops? It would be better to drop blue items and occasionally purple instead of these lockboxes as while claiming them free on the Zen store is okaym, you still have to pay to get the keys to open them, granted spending real money to get Zen is cheaper than paying over a Mil in EC in game just for one key and same for Dilithium spending to get zen.

    Although Dilithiun exchange has been aorund for years, but the exchange rate has gone up to extortionate levels, there should be like a cap on it for say 200 Dilithium for 1 Zen as an example.

    I know the Dilithium Exchange is user set, but still when the prices are to high for most to use it, what is the trouble of putting in a Dilithium cap? Just asking.
    paulda73 wrote: »
    I have the same problem with the Daily Free Phoenix Prize Pack claim from Grym too, seems you can only claim a Prize Pack trhough the Dilithium Store> Special Items and Boxes > Special Items.

    So while the ability to claim a Phoenix Prize pack is still there, why have you stopped the free daily one?

    While I disagree with Cryptic suspending the free Phoenixes, who wouldn't like the free ones, I can also understand not to keep it active indefinitely even though I wish it was. I "think" Cryptic kept Phoenixes up & active though as a possible counter-measure to the escalating dilithium-zen exchange rate in hope that it lowers it.
  • paulda73paulda73 Member Posts: 47 Arc User
    Good luck on lowering the Dilithium Exchange rate, that is run by players who spend a lot of real money to get Zen to exchange for Dilithium, thoe who buy lotsa Zen are the ones that actually control the Dilithiun Exchange.

    This is why I mentioned putting a CAP on how much a player can ask for 1 Zen, that will be the only way it will come down,

    Doing what they have done with the Prize Pack will not affect the Dilithium Exchange sadly
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,690 Arc User
    robeasom wrote: »
    So the only way to get them now is to pay for them. no thanks there not worth it

    So you never upgrade any gear, ever?

    Phoenix tech upgrades use less dil than Superior tech upgrades, and do not need to be crafted (which costs credits + mats) or purchased for credits from the exchange.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,690 Arc User
    paulda73 wrote: »
    Good luck on lowering the Dilithium Exchange rate, that is run by players who spend a lot of real money to get Zen to exchange for Dilithium, thoe who buy lotsa Zen are the ones that actually control the Dilithiun Exchange.

    This is why I mentioned putting a CAP on how much a player can ask for 1 Zen, that will be the only way it will come down,

    Doing what they have done with the Prize Pack will not affect the Dilithium Exchange sadly

    Nope. Phoenix events have lowered the exchange rate over and over again because they reduce the supply of dil. Lowered supply makes the dil that remains more valuable.
  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,253 Arc User
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    paulda73 wrote: »
    Good luck on lowering the Dilithium Exchange rate, that is run by players who spend a lot of real money to get Zen to exchange for Dilithium, thoe who buy lotsa Zen are the ones that actually control the Dilithiun Exchange.

    This is why I mentioned putting a CAP on how much a player can ask for 1 Zen, that will be the only way it will come down,

    Doing what they have done with the Prize Pack will not affect the Dilithium Exchange sadly

    Nope. Phoenix events have lowered the exchange rate over and over again because they reduce the supply of dil. Lowered supply makes the dil that remains more valuable.
    That's because people spike buy during a limited time frame event. The pressure of a large amount of people suddenly after dill all at the same time causes a temporary lower exchange rate as people compete for limited resource. From an upgrade prospective the opposite is possibly going to happen with the event on 24/7 a large number of players spike buying within the same day will likely stop. Which will in turn mean less pressure on lowering the dill exchange rate as its spread over a wider time frame.

    Combine that with players now need a lot less dill to upgrade gear there is less of a dill sink on upgrading, meaning less dill is leaving the game via upgrading which in turn means we might overflow with dill even more making it even less valuable. There is a real possibility this change will make the dill situation worse not better. I could be wrong but I will be surprised if the people spending extra dill after the Epic tokens will make up for the people upgrade gear for less dill.

    It will be very interesting to watch the dill market after this has been going a fair few weeks. Perhaps I will be wrong and the tokens + extra people upgrading will makeup for the lower dill cost to upgrade.
  • crioijoulscrioijouls Member Posts: 141 Arc User
    I hope the ability to claim a free pack a day will come back. I admit I have bought some packs, few and far between, though... I like the upgrades that don't need dilithium, to use for characters that are kinda strapped for it to make their gear better.

    I'll happily keep a character at Drozana Station to get a freebie pack each day.
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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 2,671 Bug Hunter
    No more free packs however...
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  • foppotee#4552 foppotee
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    strathkin wrote: »
    No more free packs however...

    Well I still think by Cryptic stating the free packs are "suspended" I don't think that is permanently gone forever & in the future the limited-run of free Phoenix pack days will return occasionally like it has in the past.

    Since Cryptic has been mum about it all since the announcement though I'm beginning to worry a bit that Cryptic has other intentions & the free Phoenixes might very well be gone forever which would be a shame.
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,012 Community Moderator
    Well, let's consider what was actually announced: The Phoenix Box will remain available indefinitely. Not permanently. Indefinitely. Which indicates that they could be removed again to return for Phoenix Box events during which the daily free ones would be available.

    Another thing that could happen: Phoenix Boxes go away entirely and everything goes to Mudd's Market and made available as account unlocks instead of per character.

    Don't quote me on any of that as gospel, though, because I haven't heard anything one way or another. It's pure speculation on my part.
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    pls remove the phoenix box from the que cooldown timer... since you can no longer get the daily free phoenix box, no point in keeping it on the list.
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  • qqqqiiqqqqii Member Posts: 482 Arc User
    avoozuul wrote: »
    What happened about the idea for account wide unlocks from the pack?
    Now, what kind of a Dil sink would THAT be?

    Also, LOL. This is PWCryptic we're talking about, here. Breath: not held.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    They are still studying it. They have not gotten any sleep in weeks while they check and cross-check figures and evaluate the metrics. Sweat has been pouring off their brows as they try to prove with geometric precision that it just might work. ;)
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  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    Well, let's consider what was actually announced: The Phoenix Box will remain available indefinitely. Not permanently. Indefinitely. Which indicates that they could be removed again to return for Phoenix Box events during which the daily free ones would be available.

    Another thing that could happen: Phoenix Boxes go away entirely and everything goes to Mudd's Market and made available as account unlocks instead of per character.

    Don't quote me on any of that as gospel, though, because I haven't heard anything one way or another. It's pure speculation on my part.

    I just hope that your speculations stays only speculations. The mudd's market is "word would be moderated", and now with the phoenix updrade available all the time, the pleasure of creating builds is returned.
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