What do you miss from the early days of STO?

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  • ltminns
    ltminns Member Posts: 12,481 Arc User
    Now everything is a nefarious plot by the Developers. ;)
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  • hanover2
    hanover2 Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    I miss the ability to toggle character armor visuals on/off from the character menu, anywhere at any time.
  • thunderfoot#5163
    thunderfoot#5163 Member Posts: 4,353 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    Now everything is a nefarious plot by the Developers. ;)

    I dunno about that, Big Dawg. Seems to me one requires intelligence and planning to be able run a nefarious plot at all.

    Let alone run one well. XD

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  • ltminns
    ltminns Member Posts: 12,481 Arc User
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
    Lt. Philip J. Minns
  • thunderfoot#5163
    thunderfoot#5163 Member Posts: 4,353 Arc User
    I see and concede your point. "Yours is the superior intellect." roflmao
    Nope. It ain't Discovery. It ain't Picard. It's not SNW, either.
    It's your obsessive-compulsive belief that you are the only 'real' Star Trek fan around here.
  • claudiusdk
    claudiusdk Member Posts: 558 Arc User
    I miss the ability to get this accolade trophy
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    Infact... none of the new things have any accolade trophies... all the new enemy groups, none of them have any.
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  • jcsww
    jcsww Member Posts: 6,555 Arc User
    claudiusdk wrote: »
    I miss the ability to get this accolade trophy
    Save_the_Whales_trophy.png
    Infact... none of the new things have any accolade trophies... all the new enemy groups, none of them have any.

    Do any of the new interiors and bridges have a way to display those trophies?
  • lasonio
    lasonio Member Posts: 451 Arc User
    I would have to say even from my causal 10-20 minutes a day I do remember the days when the borg tfo's were released, nothing was greater then surviving that borg torp once in an escort and then dying the second time. Gave credence to the saying "What doesn't kill you, usually succeeds in the second attempt." I like those things, made me feel the borg were really a threat back then, not the paper tigers they are now... lol shame. I remember quit a few of you in those days asking for nerfs and changes, that took away that glorious period in my game play. I cant forget a grudge.

    Though it is fine to look back fondly on yesterdays glory, players must also remember the parts they also played in the fall of a lot of this content. From either not playing it, or begging hard for it to be nerfed or removed. Be it old borg content to the foundry and such. And now that it is gone or something is added at the request of the community it seems that many believe that the devs went about doing it on their own. Remember; when you are pointing fingers three more are pointing back at yourself. Our hands were there as well snatching at whatever jewels of the past we could pluck aswell in this heist that took away fond memories from others.

    Reminds me hard of that quote

    "I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams." W.B. Yeats

    Would be interesting if the devs would get pretty petty as the players are and just make a post reminding players this is what you asked for that we added and this is what you asked for to be removed that we took. That would actually be worth reading if you ask me.

    Though you may feel nostalgic, remember today is not like yesterday and tomorrow will be just as different. Enjoy what you can and keep moving forward looking towards tomorrow for the next great trip.

    And try your best not to clamor too loudly in your actions and demands for change and "tread lightly " for we most certainly tread on each others dreams. In other words, don't ask for things to be nerfed or removed so much for you just might get it.
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  • foxrockssocks
    foxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,481 Arc User
    No one asked for anything to be removed from this game, especially not the Foundry. That is absurd.
  • lasonio
    lasonio Member Posts: 451 Arc User
    No one asked for anything to be removed from this game, especially not the Foundry. That is absurd.

    Oh? My bad, well let's just for kicks and giggles type "Remove" in the search function... oh my...
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  • lasonio
    lasonio Member Posts: 451 Arc User
    Hmm no one wanted anything removed but lets see what was asked to be removed.

    Removal of ship Consoles (Too Op), restrictions on bridges (No idea why players want cruiser bridges on escorts but ok), leaving TFO penalty (No idea why, players would just quit willy nilly), Retrain Tokens, Remove functions from the tailor, Remove hard endeavors, Remove game content, Remove TFO's, Remove ship functions, Remove PVP (Alot of threads about this), Remove voice over acting (No idea why thats a thing), Remove Visuals from around the space docks, Remove ship effects in fluidic space.

    These are just a few of the none existent demands for removal, 100+ pages of threads and this is just a hand full of them.

    I guess it's not as absurd as it sounds.
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  • baddmoonrizin
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    That's enough. Move along.
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  • smokebailey
    smokebailey Member Posts: 4,434 Arc User
    claudiusdk wrote: »
    I miss the ability to get this accolade trophy
    Save_the_Whales_trophy.png
    Infact... none of the new things have any accolade trophies... all the new enemy groups, none of them have any.

    What's that from? :o
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  • markhawkman
    markhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    jcsww wrote: »
    claudiusdk wrote: »
    I miss the ability to get this accolade trophy
    Save_the_Whales_trophy.png
    Infact... none of the new things have any accolade trophies... all the new enemy groups, none of them have any.
    Do any of the new interiors and bridges have a way to display those trophies?
    Most recent one was the Voyager interior. But it had to be made by the guy who made the trophies for the original bridges. If you look at the Romulan Warbird interior it has spots for them, but it's probably a lot harder to code when the faction is an unknown variable..
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  • reyan01
    reyan01 Member Posts: 15,511 Arc User
    Remember when everything was a nefarious plot engineered by those dastardly Iconians? Whom we never saw or had a chance to counter. Took more than a bit of the wind out of STO's sails when we finally did meet them. I always liked the style of the original Iconian ship which kidnapped Sela. The ones we have ingame now are nice. However they lack that aura of menace the one I am speaking of had.
    You mean the Obex?
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    Yeah - have to admit, this was a bit of an awesome moment:
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  • jcsww
    jcsww Member Posts: 6,555 Arc User
    jcsww wrote: »
    claudiusdk wrote: »
    I miss the ability to get this accolade trophy
    Save_the_Whales_trophy.png
    Infact... none of the new things have any accolade trophies... all the new enemy groups, none of them have any.
    Do any of the new interiors and bridges have a way to display those trophies?
    Most recent one was the Voyager interior. But it had to be made by the guy who made the trophies for the original bridges. If you look at the Romulan Warbird interior it has spots for them, but it's probably a lot harder to code when the faction is an unknown variable..

    Good to know! The Voyager interiors were very well done!
  • sennahcherib
    sennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    the game before the level XV for gears, and this awful upgrade system. But I prefer the game in its current state.
  • jcsww
    jcsww Member Posts: 6,555 Arc User
    the game before the level XV for gears, and this awful upgrade system. But I prefer the game in its current state.

    I bet you just can't wait for the Legendary quality to make an appearance then. :P
  • captan2er0
    captan2er0 Member Posts: 828 Arc User
    garaks31 wrote: »
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    That was a fun part of Kronos way back when. Totally forgot that was a thing.
    Remember when everything was a nefarious plot engineered by those dastardly Iconians? Whom we never saw or had a chance to counter. Took more than a bit of the wind out of STO's sails when we finally did meet them. I always liked the style of the original Iconian ship which kidnapped Sela. The ones we have ingame now are nice. However they lack that aura of menace the one I am speaking of had.

    Me personally, I preferred when everything didn't have Iconian or the current season of stuff shoehorned into the plots. Doing that ruined quite a lot of missions, in my opinion, like the KDF Grethor arc. Those were stellar before stuff was shoehorned in and those missions went through the butcher's block to try and make them flow with the current season of the game. They lost the eerie vibe of actually being in the afterlife when they were slightly rewritten to be Iconian/Hurq' caused.
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  • sennahcherib
    sennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    the iconian in game are badly writen anyway. The only way to "defeat" them: oh! cool they can't do time travel; this is so ridiculous. burnham's mother can create a temporal suit (this is also ridiculous), but the iconian - the most powerful race in the galaxy - can't find a solution to do time travels!!!!
  • seaofsorrows
    seaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,893 Arc User
    edited November 2019
    the iconian in game are badly writen anyway. The only way to "defeat" them: oh! cool they can't do time travel; this is so ridiculous. burnham's mother can create a temporal suit (this is also ridiculous), but the iconian - the most powerful race in the galaxy - can't find a solution to do time travels!!!!



    Iconians can't time travel because they're chroniton based life forms and the effects of time travel disrupts their minds.

    It was never an issue of them not having the technology. Their bodies physically can't do it.. I don't think a fancy suit would fix that.
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  • warpangel
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    the iconian in game are badly writen anyway. The only way to "defeat" them: oh! cool they can't do time travel; this is so ridiculous. burnham's mother can create a temporal suit (this is also ridiculous), but the iconian - the most powerful race in the galaxy - can't find a solution to do time travels!!!!
    We never defeat the iconians. We give them what they want and they go away (except sourpuss T'ket).
  • sirsitsalot
    sirsitsalot Member Posts: 2,684 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    the iconian in game are badly writen anyway. The only way to "defeat" them: oh! cool they can't do time travel; this is so ridiculous. burnham's mother can create a temporal suit (this is also ridiculous), but the iconian - the most powerful race in the galaxy - can't find a solution to do time travels!!!!
    We never defeat the iconians. We give them what they want and they go away (except sourpuss T'ket).

    There should not have been anything the Iconians wanted that we could give them. The Ikonian War should have been a game-spanning thing, A cold war in nature with the real masterminds not coming into play until the endgame. And by endgame, I men when the game is within a year of a planned sunset, so the last year ends up being an epic conflict in which most of the servitor races join the alliance, and yet still they barely can hold their own. Every planet would be a potential battleground as the demons of Air and Darkness strike at random and in rapid succession so that any attempts to resist or retake territory are scattered all over the known galaxy. Even the Mirror Universe is not safe, and because things are already so chaotic there, the Iconians make quick work of them, so what is left of the Mirror universe factions join forces, and then enter the prime universe and join forces with the alliance.

    And in the end, The Iconians cannot be defeated. Q intervenes and lectures everyone including the Iconians about behaving like spoiled brats squabbling over toys. He snaps his fingers and sends the Iconians to bed without their supper. He then praisesthe Alliance by mentioning how they have done well in more or less uniting the Galaxy for the "common good" and that the wonders of the universe were now open to them, but then warns them that the Iconians had the same opportunity but squandered it, and that The Q would be watching.

    And it ends with a video sequence with the camera pulling backwards past planets, stars, nebulae, galaxies, until a nebulous cloud fills the screen depicting the cosmos itself, and in the background, the famous Space the final frontier monologue is spoken by William Shatner.

    That is how I would sunset the game after a long run of story-driven and emersive gameplay.

    One thing that I really miss from the early days of the game was the sense of the unknown. But that went away when every attempt at introducing mysteries was nullified by them wrapping everything up all nice and neat after the few episodic missions they produced from season to season. When they started going that way, the feeling of wonder that the game had in the beginning, even though half of what was promised wasn't there, was lost.
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  • legendarylycan#5411
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    it's also insanely cliched...like, entire galaxy unites to fight a massive big bad that hasn't been seen in millennia is the plot for literally EVERY 4X game in existence - at least STO did something different with the ending in addition to not having the ENTIRE galaxy unite, but a small portion of it​​
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  • kirwinhansel
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    Early days? Easy, the first REAL Borg TFOs. I miss the original CURE GROUND ELITE. Those were fun times.
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  • jonsills
    jonsills Member Posts: 9,729 Arc User
    edited November 2019
    So, your solution would have been to plan for the game to end? Seems rather self-defeating in the long run. I think the way they did it was better - we brought the war to an end not through military might, or divine intervention, but by finding out why they were fighting us and removing that cause. (And incidentally punching up the lesson that vengeance is self-defeating - turns out the whole thing was a closed temporal loop caused by Sela's stupid "need" to avenge herself, and T'ket's obsession which came after that, and before that because wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey.)
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  • equinox976
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    edited November 2019
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    Remember when everything was a nefarious plot engineered by those dastardly Iconians? Whom we never saw or had a chance to counter. Took more than a bit of the wind out of STO's sails when we finally did meet them. I always liked the style of the original Iconian ship which kidnapped Sela. The ones we have ingame now are nice. However they lack that aura of menace the one I am speaking of had.

    For some reason theres always
    lasonio wrote: »
    I would have to say even from my causal 10-20 minutes a day I do remember the days when the borg tfo's were released, nothing was greater then surviving that borg torp once in an escort and then dying the second time. Gave credence to the saying "What doesn't kill you, usually succeeds in the second attempt." I like those things, made me feel the borg were really a threat back then, not the paper tigers they are now... lol shame. I remember quit a few of you in those days asking for nerfs and changes, that took away that glorious period in my game play. I cant forget a grudge.

    Though it is fine to look back fondly on yesterdays glory, players must also remember the parts they also played in the fall of a lot of this content. From either not playing it, or begging hard for it to be nerfed or removed. Be it old borg content to the foundry and such. And now that it is gone or something is added at the request of the community it seems that many believe that the devs went about doing it on their own. Remember; when you are pointing fingers three more are pointing back at yourself. Our hands were there as well snatching at whatever jewels of the past we could pluck aswell in this heist that took away fond memories from others.

    Reminds me hard of that quote

    "I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams." W.B. Yeats

    Would be interesting if the devs would get pretty petty as the players are and just make a post reminding players this is what you asked for that we added and this is what you asked for to be removed that we took. That would actually be worth reading if you ask me.

    Though you may feel nostalgic, remember today is not like yesterday and tomorrow will be just as different. Enjoy what you can and keep moving forward looking towards tomorrow for the next great trip.

    And try your best not to clamor too loudly in your actions and demands for change and "tread lightly " for we most certainly tread on each others dreams. In other words, don't ask for things to be nerfed or removed so much for you just might get it.

    Perhaps Dr Crusher can assist you.
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    I miss when being a Lifetime Member actually meant something.