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FTC on going discussion on loot boxes

speedforce73#7331 speedforce73
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https://youtu.be/5BeLcSu6eRA

Hopefully these discussions will force all gaming companies from selling loot boxes.

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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,475 Arc User
    Why do people keep insisting on posting YouTube videos as if they proved anything? I thought by now you'd have caught on that the plausibility level here is about the same as "I saw it on the internet, so it must be true!"

    As I've told my roommate, I can find you several series on YouTube about twentysomethings being harassed by the Slenderman, but that doesn't make him real.
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  • sthe91sthe91 Member Posts: 6,024 Arc User
    edited August 2019
    I do not agree with forcing anyone from not selling lockboxes. I still do not understand the uproar about them. I understand the Star Wars Battlefront 2 case but none of the others. To those who were mad that the Discovery Constitution was in the Infinity R & D pack, it was following the precedent (that can always change) set by the TOS Constitution being in the Infinity R & D pack as well. The items in the lockboxes are not needed to play the game, most is cosmetics. I also do not agree with getting rid of a source of income for Cryptic and other gaming companies, what with how expensive it is to live in California, the cost of the servers (even with the Akamai security server being on the fritz these days), etc. May this never happen. Thanks. :)
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  • speedforce73#7331 speedforce73
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    Here you go then, the FTC work shop recordings

    https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/audio-video/video/inside-game-unlocking-consumer-issues-surrounding-loot-boxes-session-1

    At the bottom of the webpage is the second workshop around the psychological impact of loot boxes
  • sthe91sthe91 Member Posts: 6,024 Arc User
    edited August 2019
    speedforce73#7331 wrote: »
    Here you go then, the FTC work shop recordings

    https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/audio-video/video/inside-game-unlocking-consumer-issues-surrounding-loot-boxes-session-1

    At the bottom of the webpage is the second workshop around the psychological impact of loot boxes

    So various things can cause a psychological impact on the person including war. Every person is different and affected differently. Also, humans have an ability called self-control that can be exercised even if one has an addiction-prone personality. I just don't get it. Is Cryptic going to soon have to put a 1-800-GAMBLER number or something like that in the game if you have a gambling problem? It is getting ridiculous.
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  • speedforce73#7331 speedforce73
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    https://www.cbr.com/loot-box-summit-effects-video-game-industry/
  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,918 Arc User
    It isn't the gaming industry's responsibility to worry about a person's mental health. It's the responsibility of the person. Too many times the blame game goes on with people blaming everyone except themselves for the things they do.
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    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
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  • sthe91sthe91 Member Posts: 6,024 Arc User
    echatty wrote: »
    It isn't the gaming industry's responsibility to worry about a person's mental health. It's the responsibility of the person. Too many times the blame game goes on with people blaming everyone except themselves for the things they do.

    I agree.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    echatty wrote: »
    It isn't the gaming industry's responsibility to worry about a person's mental health. It's the responsibility of the person. Too many times the blame game goes on with people blaming everyone except themselves for the things they do.

    It is the gaming industry's responsibility to make a profit for as long as possible. To make the most amount of profit from their customer, then worrying about their customer's mental health might be part of the gaming industry's responsibility. Sadly, too many industries are concerned with just short-term profits and not long-term profits.
  • garaks31garaks31 Member Posts: 2,845 Arc User
    sto 's system is fine . it can even be a example for other companies.
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  • speedforce73#7331 speedforce73
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    garaks31 wrote: »
    sto 's system is fine . it can even be a example for other companies.

    How are the gamble boxes fine and an example ? You think spending $1000s of dollars to get one ship is a good system?

  • garaks31garaks31 Member Posts: 2,845 Arc User
    edited August 2019
    buy keys low from exc. and sell them high. when it's event is over. 0 mula . a system that gives this and similar abilitis is a good system.

    gambling = only price or nothing ( only way to get that price )
    not gambling = 50+ different +lobi items ( at least 5 different ways to reach the price )
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    speedforce73#7331 wrote: »
    garaks31 wrote: »
    sto 's system is fine . it can even be a example for other companies.
    How are the gamble boxes fine and an example ? You think spending $1000s of dollars to get one ship is a good system?
    Because you can trade in game currency to get the stuff. NONE of the stuff in STO's lock boxes actually requires you to spend money. It requires SOMEONE to spend money, but not YOU.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    starkaos wrote: »
    It is the gaming industry's responsibility to make a profit for as long as possible. To make the most amount of profit from their customer, then worrying about their customer's mental health might be part of the gaming industry's responsibility.

    How about the individual take responsibility for their own well being instead of companies?

    Some individuals can't take responsibility for their own well being. However having companies taking care of an individual's well being can result in a Science Fiction Nightmare.

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  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,333 Arc User
    Its only a matter of time before more serious legislation actually happens, but it could be another year or 2 before legal things are in place to prevent or limit the sale of lootboxes. For now we have to rely on the developers who look at lootboxes and realize what they are and decide to not greedily exploit their customers.
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc
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    valoreah wrote: »
    Businesses wanting to make money is not greedy. The only people being "exploited" are those who are victims of their own stupidity.

    The same can be said of poker players, or anyone who gambles in casino's, yet those games are regulated to some degree or another already. I can see how they might want to regulate the boxes the same way, though as usual for anything that involves the internet and gaming it is a ridiculous circus that will probably come up with regulations that have no actual bearing on the problem.

    That said, I never have anything to do with the boxes that require keys because my budget does not stretch to impulse buying vaporitems so I really could not care less about them. I do not buy keys and the only time I buy non-keyed gamble boxes is when they do it as an add on for something I can use (so far just the doff boxes, which of course had nothing but the doffs I wanted in the first place and some useless junk in them).
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    Also, players have calculated the odds via data aggregation. We already KNOW. Officially publishing them changes little.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    markhawkman wrote: »
    Also, players have calculated the odds via data aggregation. We already KNOW. Officially publishing them changes little.

    No, people on the forums or reddit that follow this kind of threads know. But you can't assume that's everyone. Or even a significant amount of people compared to the people opening lockboxes.
    Having it out in the open means that you don't know about it by accident, you know it because it is told you before you open the lockbox.
    It seems a reasonable limitation. It doesn't remove the business model of the game, it just makes it more transparent.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    mustrumridcully0 wrote: »
    markhawkman wrote: »
    Also, players have calculated the odds via data aggregation. We already KNOW. Officially publishing them changes little.
    No, people on the forums or reddit that follow this kind of threads know. But you can't assume that's everyone. Or even a significant amount of people compared to the people opening lockboxes.
    Having it out in the open means that you don't know about it by accident, you know it because it is told you before you open the lockbox.
    It seems a reasonable limitation. It doesn't remove the business model of the game, it just makes it more transparent.
    It gets discussed in-game too. If you ask around in game someone will tell you.

    But officially published odds would make that information easier to get.
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