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The Cloaking Device on Starships And the Treaty of Algeron
viceadmiralwhite
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With the destruction of Romulus; where does the Treaty of Algeron stand and the Neutral zone? also, can Starfleet now implement the use of Cloaking Device on Starships other than the Defiant? just curious? is there a time line on STO I can follow?
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As for the Neutral Zone, that certainly appears to be a thing of the past - the Lorna Wing can fly to literally any available part of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants without being challenged by a legitimate Romulan patrol.
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the romulan neutal zone is gone, the treaty more or less ignored, the federation President promised it was to be followed... just look at all the fed ship with cloaks to see how that turned out.
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That is correct. The federation despite what Picard has stated at least one episode is not some moral paramount in the galaxy. Times have changed and so has all factions to that point. Nothing is as back and white anymore. The Klingon Civil War, The Borg conflicts, The Dominion, The fall of the Romulan Star Empire, The Iconians and the H'urq makes whatever actions of the past seem irrelevant in order to focus on the present. At least in this game.
Although we'll have to see how the federation became in the picard show.
But for all intents and purposes the Treaty of Algeron is defunct as one of the signing parties is no longer able to enforce the Treaty, let alone exists as a viable entity at all.
Previously banning manufacture and development would have been enough as neither klingons nor RSE were in good enough terms with UFP to be willing to sell them cloaks, so if a starfleet ship had a cloak it would have had to been something UFP made themselves thus breaking the treaty.
However if the deployment wasn't actually banned UFP could now buy cloaks from the Romulan Republic in exchange for federation assistance, while still technically not breaking the treaty.
Good point. They could also get around a "no production / no manufacturing" clause that way, and a "no ownership" clause by leasing the cloaks instead of buying them. If necessary the cloak could be paired with a Republic maintenance tech like how the Defiant was at first, so the rest of the crew wouldn't get access to schematics.
It seems most that the treaty has been abandoned though.
Well it could be those like those "silly laws" lists you find around the internet that while technically exist aren't enforced anymore due to various reasons.
So the combination of UFP and Klingon Empire making peace, Romulan Republic existing and being a strong UFP ally and RSE being reduced to handful systems around Rator system with less ships then my admirality roster, enforcing the treaty might have seemed like a wasted effort.
But from a Federation perpective it doesn't make sense to radically change the structures of most of their ships, when they can just send an Intel ship if cloaking is really needed or ask an ally to see a ship with cloaking. Collectively they have it when they need it, so no need to retrofit all their ships or priorize it in future designs.
Whether the latter is an official Starfleet-sanctioned retrofit done in a shipyard or a temporary addition assembled on the fly with off-the-shelf parts is entirely up to personal roleplay preferences (as is the origin of the cloaking device itself, such as whether it's Starfleet-designed or stolen/traded/borrowed/whatever).
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That's why the Treaty of Algeron even existed, to have an in-character explanation for why the Enterprise doesn't have one. They couldn't just say Roddenberry didn't want the good guys to be "sneaky."
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Only the original Defiant used borrowed tech, no other Romulan Cloak was loaned to Starfleet after that and nothing in the game suggests the 25th century mass-produced Defiant Class uses anything other than a Starfleet-designed cloak.
What's your source on the Galaxy-X? Because there's nothing in the game or lore to suggest anything like that, especially since the Galaxy-X (but not the Yamato) is one of the ships that comes with the cloak console. The only info I can find on the origin of their cloaks (or those of any other compatible Starfleet ship) is this line in the wiki:
If that headcanon helps you RP better, great. There's nothing I've seen in the game or its lore to support it, though. All we can infer is that only a handful of ships (aka the players ships) are built with the cloak as a standard feature, since NPC ships don't seem to have it.
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While Picard would be against breaking the treaty he wouldn't be against things like buying cloaks from the klingons or the Romulan Republic (as long as it didn't break the treaty) and he would also be able to recognize when a treaty has lost all meaning.
I still remember all the Fed whines about the BOPs. Those were where our "KDF Aces" were
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And this is coming from someone who mostly plays Rommulans, lol.
Funny you mention Nebula. I remember doing one of the Cap & 'Splode games using my B'Rel. I had decloaked and killed this guy in his Nebula. He proceeded to talk smack about my alpha strike. So on his next respawn, I stalked him and timed an attack, killed him again with a decloaking attack. Again. This time I announced it in match chat, if the fly-in notice wasn't enough for everyone in the match. He got upset. And I proceeded to kill him like 3-4 more times
Even after all these years, it's still the funniest stuff I can remember from old school PVP.
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Its not. Spawn Camping in ANY game is BS. Worst experience I ever had with Spawn Camping was in Halo 1 on Blood Gulch. The other team jacked all the tanks, and just started bombarding our base nonstop. We barely had any time to even blink before we died. A couple of us managed to get inside the base though. And to make matters worse... some idiot on the other team decided to verbally attack us over "our lack of skill". Rather cheap shot considering we can't even fight back because of the spawn camping.
Some may consider it a legit tactic, but I personally see it as not only extremely unfair to the victim, but an extremely Trollish tactic with no real use other than to force your opponent to Rage Quit over being able to do NOTHING.