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At the risk of being flamed & shamed, and at the risk of seeming unreasonable or too sentimental I ask this.
Is there any way STO can start making less violent game play? I want more active diplomatic and exploration in game, not this proxy diplomacy.
The real world is violent enough, this shooting things up for capital gains is banal. How can STO continue to have a violent game play with all the mass shootings going on? Not saying one effects the other, but I want something more mentally stimulating.
There has to be a better way to explore the Star Trek Universe than shooting our way through a story line. I'm getting sick of it, actually I've been sick of it, but I keep coming back probably because of sunk cost fallacy. I'm no longer going to invest real money until something changes.
I've been playing since the game became "Free to play" I guess 6 years or so. I've been concerned about this for that long.
Thanks,
Seth
Is there any way STO can start making less violent game play? I want more active diplomatic and exploration in game, not this proxy diplomacy.
The real world is violent enough, this shooting things up for capital gains is banal. How can STO continue to have a violent game play with all the mass shootings going on? Not saying one effects the other, but I want something more mentally stimulating.
There has to be a better way to explore the Star Trek Universe than shooting our way through a story line. I'm getting sick of it, actually I've been sick of it, but I keep coming back probably because of sunk cost fallacy. I'm no longer going to invest real money until something changes.
I've been playing since the game became "Free to play" I guess 6 years or so. I've been concerned about this for that long.
Thanks,
Seth
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-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Honestly... I'd have more of an issue with Payday 2 than STO.
There was a whole thing on Steam about some indie game that glorified mass shootings. That game got taken down REAL fast.
I play Payday 2, tbh, the monitor is that divide between the game world and real world. It's a case of knowing the difference, valid point about STO
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Also, see every Star Trek TV show. Star Trek: Diplomats isn't in the list, and every show had phasers blazing now and then.
If you want a non-violent space game, you'll need to look elsewhere. No Man's Sky maybe?
Or this? - https://www.gog.com/game/star_trek_25th_anniversary
> At the risk of being flamed & shamed, and at the risk of seeming unreasonable or too sentimental I ask this.
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> Is there any way STO can start making less violent game play? I want more active diplomatic and exploration in game, not this proxy diplomacy.
> The real world is violent enough, this shooting things up for capital gains is banal. How can STO continue to have a violent game play with all the mass shootings going on? Not saying one effects the other, but I want something more mentally stimulating.
> There has to be a better way to explore the Star Trek Universe than shooting our way through a story line. I'm getting sick of it, actually I've been sick of it, but I keep coming back probably because of sunk cost fallacy. I'm no longer going to invest real money until something changes.
>
> I've been playing since the game became "Free to play" I guess 6 years or so. I've been concerned about this for that long.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Seth
Are you serious or is this troll bait? Nobody is forcing you to play. You can’t go through life without engaging in some level of violence. Even if your vegan, you still need to kill something to eat. Want something more stimulating? Go explore a cave.
If you personally are, then pick up another game. The video game industry is immense.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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In the end, this is an MMO. Even in single player games with linear storylines & causality, it's hard to have lots of conversation & diplomacy. In an MMO, it's even harder. Also in any game that's attempting to be Big Market rather than niche/indie/art-project.
With "now and then" increasing since TNG, varying by series & season.
He freed an enslaved people by shooting another computer, and freed another enslaved people by convincing their computer to blow itself up.
How did he deal with the discovery of the Romulan cloak? Or the attacking Orion ship in "Journey To Babel"? Or the Klingons on Organia, before the Organians tired of their little game? Or Gary Mitchell? Or, heck, the asteroid trapped in their wormhole-wake in TMP?
You act as if "pew pew" were something not endemic to the franchise from the beginning.
There are a number of puzzley missions. I'm not entirely sure I would ask to see more of those.
hmm, Risa is peaceful enough.
ermmm give the op a break - it's a reasonable comment.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
No one has attacked the OP, we've just pointed out:
- pew pew has been a part of every Trek series
- pew pew is what the majority of paying customers will pay to play
- it's an MMO which means repeating content, and pew pew is more repeatable than diplomacy
There are other games that are more suited for non-violent content. Puzzle games. Some adventure games (though many will still contain some form of violence, it's hard to create a sense of adventure if there isn't some danger in it, and that usually implies violence, though it might not be perpetrated by the character.)
After the tutorial, where you need to defend yourself, no need for violence.
That being said, I have seen STO try to do more diplomatic missions/story arcs and they were....well....boring.
TNG is the most diplomatic of all the series I can think of atm. And even in that show somebody got shot at, at least once in every episode.
I don't really know what to do about diplomacy in the game either so I can't suggest a better alternative atm. But I can say I've seen them try to go this direction and had to go back for good reasons.
I feel more angst about SWTOR when my Jedi has a quota of folks or machines to destroy (even though these are optional)... and then pick-pockets the dead for their wallets (need the $$$ for travel cost). STO's imaginary reason for constant conflict is far less disturbing... though we all rob the dead... but not like those walking corpse in Delta Quad.
Now, sure I'm sure a lot of people would like to see a more diplomatic and problem solving STO, but how do you do that and have fun and engaging, and repeatable gameplay? Really, if Cryptic had an idea of how to do that, I'm sure they'd be happy to do it.
For example, could there be an STF where we fight off an asteroid storm to save a planet? How would that work and stay fun to fight rocks?
It may be better to do it virtually than, say, hunting foxes (you can ask The Doctor if you are not convinced about that
Given though, that something is obviously wrong with people / humans, perhaps it is still better then that they are spending time in the game, shooting things or not. It means there is less interaction between them in so-called real life *, and hence less violence there
* I am still having my doubts about whether such a thing actually exists
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That entirely depends on the sound effects. There is an ASMR video of falling rocks that is pure eargasm. Spending hours with that won't be a problem, though we might see a huge spike in AFK penalties when everyone is dozing off
Night of the Comet kind of did that already, though sadly without an appearance by Catherine Mary Stewart or her long since forgotten male co-star.