https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdSSttnpoAk
Here's it so far.
I am ROOTING for this poor guy, all he wants is to
1: make a good game
2: take care of his sick parents
I hope CBS gets their's. As the host said, in reply to what CBS did to him, and with the fan films, I say it's time for some good old fashioned karma to bite CBS on the behind. Time to show even a big, mega corporation needs to be held accountable for its actions.
Hope this guy can get as much as he can from CBS. And to so-called fans attacking him, lashing at him, for shame.
I'm rooting for you, sir!
When Tardigrades comes out, I'm so getting me a copy.
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> So... Why do you think he has a case?
I don’t think he has a case. You cannot sue for coincidence. That’s why the judge gave them time to find a link.
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WRONG.
I wanna see some justice served. Hollywood, and big corporations always do stuff that, if WE did it, we'd be sitting in a jail cell, or at least get a hefty fine.
Sorry, pal, but I am siding with the game maker.
Sorry if I don't act like CBS is so innocent.
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How is CBS guilty?
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The only reason why we know about it is due to Discovery hatred. Unless the indie developer can prove that CBS got their idea from him, then there is no way he can win.
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> Here's it so far.
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> I am ROOTING for this poor guy, all he wants is to
> 1: make a good game
> 2: take care of his sick parents
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> I hope CBS gets their's. As the host said, in reply to what CBS did to him, and with the fan films, I say it's time for some good old fashioned karma to bite CBS on the behind. Time to show even a big, mega corporation needs to be held accountable for its actions.
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Check your facts. Anas Abdin's crappy pixelated mess of a game blatantly rips off Dune and Stargate, and the supposed similarities to DSC are selectively edited and there's evidence that he changed things after the fact to make it look more like DSC. As for fan films, CBS and Paramount was very supportive of those until some dumb SOB decided to profit off the IP without asking permission. And Midnight's Hedge and Dumbcock are the Alex Joneses of Star Trek "journalism".
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Axanar only proved one thing, CBS will clamp down hard on the fandom if they have to and i will never ever forgive Alec Peters for that whole sordid business with Axanar and regardless of the outcome of this lawsuit, you can be sure CBS will have something waiting to come down afterwards.
This court case is a loser as nothing good will come from it either way.
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Where is there proof that anything was edited post-Star Trek: Discovery?
Curiously, as far as the case is concerned, the judge ruled that CBS is the ones that must prove they did not steal ideas from Tartigrades. The judge declared that CBS must show proof of where they got the ideas for Star Trek: Discovery. They also must disclose any "employees with Steam accounts".
As far as I know, there is no proof one way or the other on this issue. I am curious as to how it turns out.
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If I remember correctly the Game Maker has to prove CBS got the idea from the game.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.plagiarismtoday.com/2018/09/11/understanding-the-star-trek-discovery-plagiarism-allegations/amp/
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I posted a link that goes over the case from an objective point of view. The game maker has to prove CBS got the ideas from him. The judge gave the game maker time to find a link between his game and Discovery. If there is not one the case will he dismissed.
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Having a steam account isn't proof of stealing ideas and even if someone from CBS played tardigrades on steam, it is hard to prove that they got the idea from that game unless they can prove intent but that all comes down to he said, she said. There is no possible way to prove the case. Besides this CBS could of just as easily looked up on wikipedia or some other site and saw a tartigrade picture there and decided it was a plan. Can Anas prove this wasn't the case?
What it comes down to is how can Anas prove beyond any doubt that CBS was specifically in his game to steal ideas, how can he prove they did it beyond saying they did?
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“To prove his case, Abdin has to show two things:
That the team from Star Trek: Discovery copied from him.
That what they copied amounted to copyright infringement.
The first item will be difficult enough. Tardigrades was announced in May 2014. Star Trek: Discovery was announced in November 2015. Most likely, Star Trek: Discovery was in the works well before anything was made public about Tardigrades.
It’s also worth noting that Tardigrades are real creatures. They are microscopic organisms that have become somewhat famous in recent years for their ability to survive in space. In fact, in 2008 scientists from the European Space Agency subjected tardigrades to space-like conditions and they suffered no ill-effects. Tardigrades resiliency combined with their alien appearance make them natural fodder for science fiction.
Though it is an interesting coincidence that both used giant blue tardigrades to aid in instantaneous travel, the mechanisms by which they worked appear to be different. The tardigrade in Star Trek: Discovery functioned as a living computer and only worked at extreme peril to itself while, according of videos, Tardigrades has a more symbiotic relationship with their passengers.
But, even if it can be shown that CBS did copy from Tradigrades, Abdin has to prove that what was copied is protected by copyright. Simply put, ideas can not be copyright protected, only expressions of those ideas. You can’t sell copies of Harry Potter but you can write your own story about a child wizard that goes to a magic school.
Characters can be copyright protected, but only if they are distinct and original. In the case Litchfield v. Spielberg, a playwright sued claiming that an alien character he had created bore a strong resemblance to E.T. He noted that both characters were stranded on earth, had powers of levitation and telepathy and other similarities.
However, that case was dismissed with a summary judgment and that decision was upheld on appeal.
Given that tardigrades are real creatures, it seems unlikely that either CBS or Abdin would have protection in large, blue, space-traveling tardigrades.
The same is true for the other similarities. Having a black female lead or an interracial TRIBBLE couple can be part of a character, but does not obtain copyright protection by itself. After all, these are elements in many, many stories and, if Star Trek: Discovery can be held liable for using, then Abdin would likely be in trouble as well.
While anything can happen to a case when it goes to court, this one will likely struggle to get past even the early stages.”
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Enterprise did it long before Discovery.
Fact of the matter is... some very dubious, HIGHLY biased YouTubers are blowing this WAY out of proportion, trying to launch some kind of crusade.
The source of all this "information" is not credible because of blatant, venomous bias, and we're only getting one side, the ANTI side.
As others have said, there is a plausible case for parallel development because of Neil deGrasse Tyson. And there is potential evidence that the game maker ripped off Dune, which if true and discovered in this lawsuit, opens him up to a lawsuit from the owners of Dune. And if he also ripped off Stargate... well... there's another lawsuit aimed at him.
Logically... this could end VERY BADLY for the indie developer.
All in all... I respect your opinion smoke... but can we just let this rest? As you can see all this does is divide us STO players and cause fights. Pretty sure that is not your intent, but it is a consequence.
Which is not the case. My feelings on Discovery have no bearing on the facts of this case. The judge in the suit is asking for evidence that Discovery stole ideas from the game maker.
http://axamonitor.com/doku.php?id=tardigrades_steam#joint_status_letter
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