T6 Dominion ships in pack - "This ship is for Dominion Captains only initially." What does "initially" mean in this sentence? Can Fed or KDF also use this ship later once they finish a certain point in the storyline?
probably a new lockbox they have in the works down the road. considering that current dominion ships are now shared between lockbox and jem'hadar faction. it now means that the Cardassians are more relevent for a future expansion of their own with the Galors and Keldons.
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As a quick note, because I know what people are going to say - the Gamma Vanguard pack is not the only way to play a Cardassian, just the only currently announced way.
What about the Vanguard Jem'Hadar? Will a normal Jem'Hadar be effectively locked into their sub-premium state after creation? This seem like a simple micropayment to avoid weaker traits. Will Van'Hadar have any additional customization options that would (typically) justify a separate species option? I notice the forehead crest but is that Vanguard exclusive?
So far, it's disappointing that the level of input we'll have on this faction seems to be "you'll play as the Jem'Hadar that's second on the right in that one establishing shot, never mind STO's creative potential [a major feature versus other MMO's] and unique place in Star Trek world building." This started with AOY (ie. screen accuracy as the prevailing factor in player character choices), now we're down to one or none even with the opportunity to create a new species of Jem'Hadar. Seriously, why not make Vanguard Jem'Hadar an alien-gen option in all but name (or alien gen up to a point)? They're engineered biological constructs, the Founders can make them whatever they like and players can head-canon that however they wish (as we've always done with alien characters.)
Oi...the ships are cool (the Vanguard escort will be mine!) and I want to make a Jem'Hadar character but the vanguard species news is complicating. It seems like a wasted opportunity for the sake of a simple premium.
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Was all ready to purchase this until I read limiting the Vanguard Dreadnought Cruiser to Jem’Hadar species only. With the amount of real money and time spent on my main character I am not about to abandon all that. Plus all my Jem’Hadar ships and gear is on my main character.
I love my Dreadnought Carrier and Jem’Hadar equipment and Bridge Officers but I am not going to abandon it all to start a Jem’Hadar species. You have really done yourself out of more money again.
Personally I do not care for the Cardassian bits.
EDIT: You should have done another pack. One just below the full pack without any of the Cardassian items. That would increase sales, increase money.
As a quick note, because I know what people are going to say - the Gamma Vanguard pack is not the only way to play a Cardassian, just the only currently announced way.
What about the Vanguard Jem'Hadar? Will a normal Jem'Hadar be effectively locked into their sub-premium state after creation? This seem like a simple micropayment to avoid weaker traits. Will Van'Hadar have any additional customization options that would (typically) justify a separate species option? So far, it's disappointing that the level of input we'll have on this faction seems to be "you'll play as the Jem'Hadar that's second on the right in that one establishing shot, never mind STO's creative potential [a major feature versus other MMO's] and unique place in Star Trek world building."
This started with AOY (ie. screen accuracy as the prevailing factor in player character choices), now we're down to one or none even with the opportunity to create a new species of Jem'Hadar. Seriously, why not make Vanguard Jem'Hadar an alien-gen option in all but name (or alien gen up to a point)? They're engineered biological constructs, the Founders can make them whatever they like and players can head-canon that however they wish (as we've always done with alien characters.)
Oi...the ships are cool (the Vanguard escort will be mine!) and I want to make a Jem'Hadar character but the vanguard species news is complicating.
They have used this practice before... Trill vs Joined-Trill. Difference isnt that much. Remains to be seen what traits the Vanguard would have.
They have used this practice before... Trill vs Joined-Trill. Difference isnt that much. Remains to be seen what traits the Vanguard would have.
It's not much, on the FED, but Joined trill on KDF is a more unique species option.
Note on traits: in the blog post it was stated that they will have enhanced traits. That could just mean they have additional or substituted traits but these guys are being explicitly sold as better Jem'Hadar (not a strategic choice or premium customization variant.)
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So, sorry if this has already been asked, but Visually is there any difference between the Jem'Hadar Vanguard and Jem'Hadar Warrior species? Or is it like the Joined/unjoined Trill, where visually they are the same but with different racial traits?
Was all ready to purchase this until I read limiting the Vanguard Dreadnought Cruiser to Jem’Hadar species only. With the amount of real money and time spent on my main character I am not about to abandon all that. Plus all my Jem’Hadar ships and gear is on my main character.
I love my Dreadnought Carrier and Jem’Hadar equipment and Bridge Officers but I am not going to abandon it all to start a Jem’Hadar species. You have really done yourself out of more money again.
Personally I do not care for the Cardassian bits.
EDIT: You should have done another pack. One just below the full pack without any of the Cardassian items. That would increase sales, increase money.
Oh, that's a typo. I fixed it on one pack but not the starter pack.
The ship is initially available to Jem'Hadar captains, but once you've unlocked the mastery for it it becomes available account wide.
Canonically there is almost always a Vorta on any given Dominion ship, and they are ranked higher than the First. So are the Vorta just going unannounced for now, or are we pulling a Discovery where the Vorta will be there and in command of the ship, but you, the First, are the main character.
Won't lie this was a bit of a disappointment. I highly considered that this was where the playable Vorta species would be hiding in this pack.... no mention of Vorta still.... unless that will be a lifetime perk???
It was stated specifically in a livesteam a few weeks back that it is purely a Jem'Hadar faction. Still LTS rewards to get through.
Explain the Cardassians to me then.
They're not part of the Jem'Hadar faction. They're unlocks for KDF and Starfleet.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Mk XII to Mk and for just one character! Not even MkXIV to MkXV, even a single kit, which would make a lot more sense with the raised cap coming with these packs.
Come on, you can't do better for a 130€ pack, especially when there are so many useless titles in it?
Was all ready to purchase this until I read limiting the Vanguard Dreadnought Cruiser to Jem’Hadar species only. With the amount of real money and time spent on my main character I am not about to abandon all that. Plus all my Jem’Hadar ships and gear is on my main character.
I love my Dreadnought Carrier and Jem’Hadar equipment and Bridge Officers but I am not going to abandon it all to start a Jem’Hadar species. You have really done yourself out of more money again.
Personally I do not care for the Cardassian bits.
EDIT: You should have done another pack. One just below the full pack without any of the Cardassian items. That would increase sales, increase money.
Oh, that's a typo. I fixed it on one pack but not the starter pack.
The ship is initially available to Jem'Hadar captains, but once you've unlocked the mastery for it it becomes available account wide.
You have to master the ship before other characters can get it? OK, no money from me. I play escorts, not science ships, not cruisers. Just escorts, with some raiders on the side. I'm not paying a few hundred dollars for a bunch of ships I cannot even add to my Admiralty fleets. I'm not going to play a bunch of ships I cannot stand just to add them to my other toons who'll never use them. If you rethink that policy you'll get my money. NOT BEFORE!!!!!
What Romulans? Romulans are FED or KDF characters, there is no Romulan faction.
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Note on traits: in the blog post it was stated that they will have enhanced traits. That could just mean they have additional or substituted traits but these guys are being explicitly sold as better Jem'Hadar (not a strategic choice or premium customization variant.)
Pretty much, EXACTLY just that. You're paying for a Superior version of the free character.
Pay'Hadar, which likely means that you're getting more customization options to go along with those traits that are superior to the Free'Hadar. I don't like the idea of paid superiority here, but it bothers me more that Cryptic is going this route of "premium" species, with more customization and better traits than the free versions. More so, when The Liberated Borg Captains still can't even get a full body skin and the traits are so lacking. i seriously hope this isn't how Cryptic finally plans to roll out players getting better versions of existing traits.
So, sorry if this has already been asked, but Visually is there any difference between the Jem'Hadar Vanguard and Jem'Hadar Warrior species? Or is it like the Joined/unjoined Trill, where visually they are the same but with different racial traits?
More than likely, they will be getting more customization options, like that crest and the spines under the eyes. there will likely be a few others but not many. Cryptic tends to cheap out on the species stuff.... *glares angrily at the lack of Borg skins again...*
The romulans aren't even a faction, themselves. That's why they have to join the feds and KDF. Jem'Hadar will be no different, so they can't join the romulans and the romulans wouldn't be joining the dominion anytime soon. I wouldn't doubt if our Dominion characters are forced to join up with starfleet or KDF at some point after the first few mission arcs.
I'm seriously hoping that they're going through and making all the Jem'Hadar look more canon, rather than the cheap knock-offs that we currently have. I'm really curious to see how they handle the Ketrocel-white requirements as well.
Are there any ships that stay unique to the Jem'Hadar or does everyone else just get all their ships?
Yes and no, there's a new system. Jem'Hadar ships are initially only available to Jem'Hadar characters. However, once they complete all mastery levels these ships are unlocked for all factions.
Cardassian ships, on the other hand, are simply multi-faction. They can be used by anyone from the get-go.
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Canonically there is almost always a Vorta on any given Dominion ship, and they are ranked higher than the First. So are the Vorta just going unannounced for now, or are we pulling a Discovery where the Vorta will be there and in command of the ship, but you, the First, are the main character.
Not all the time, Kudak'Etan commanded his own force of Jem'Hadar as they stormed, secured and commanded the Defiant. Gelnon was the Vorta in charge who played simply as the mission giver and the rest fell on Kudak'Etan.
Goran'Agar had a vision where the Jem'Hadar can be freed of the dependence to K/White, although it was later found out that he was a mutant who could regular his own body with K/White. None the less there was no Vorta around to command the Jem'Hadar.
Omet'iklan needed to prove his loyalty and commitment to the Dominion and Founders by vaporizing Weyoun 4 in front of a Skeptical Sisko after the mission to destroy the Iconian gateway. It shows that there is a possibility that Vorta can be targets of the Jem'Hadar.
I would say there are cases where canonically it is possible that Jem'Hadar do not need to follow the orders of a Vorta and if the Dominion has advanced enough where Jem'Hadar can be programmed to lead a ship of Jem'Hadar without Vorta leadership an still remain in service to the founder on STO, all the better.
one of the main weaknesses in the dominion ranks were Jem'Hadar who had a felexible relationship with their Vorta overseers, and it could cause the Dominion major problems. The Dominion are nothing but adaptable and resilient to changing circumstances.
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Are there any ships that stay unique to the Jem'Hadar or does everyone else just get all their ships?
There's a new system. Jem'Hadar ships are initially only available on Jem'Hadar characters. However, once you complete a new Jem'Hadar ship's mastery on a Jem'Hadar character, that ship is now available to all your other characters. So, yes and no; there's a degree of exclusivity but it's not a complete lock-out to other characters.
Cardassian ships, on the other hand, are simply multi-faction. They can be used by anyone from the get-go.
So I don't understand why everyone gets Jem'Hadar ships and not, say, Romulan ships. Why take this away from the Jem'Hadar?
Are there any ships that stay unique to the Jem'Hadar or does everyone else just get all their ships?
There's a new system. Jem'Hadar ships are initially only available on Jem'Hadar characters. However, once you complete a new Jem'Hadar ship's mastery on a Jem'Hadar character, that ship is now available to all your other characters. So, yes and no; there's a degree of exclusivity but it's not a complete lock-out to other characters.
Cardassian ships, on the other hand, are simply multi-faction. They can be used by anyone from the get-go.
So I don't understand why everyone gets Jem'Hadar ships and not, say, Romulan ships. Why take this away from the Jem'Hadar?
Precedent, Jem'Hadar ships have been multi-faction for a very long time. Romulan ships weren't.
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Canonically there is almost always a Vorta on any given Dominion ship, and they are ranked higher than the First. So are the Vorta just going unannounced for now, or are we pulling a Discovery where the Vorta will be there and in command of the ship, but you, the First, are the main character.
Not all the time, Kudak'Etan commanded his own force of Jem'Hadar as they stormed, secured and commanded the Defiant. Gelnon was the Vorta in charge who played simply as the mission giver and the rest fell on Kudak'Etan.
Goran'Agar had a vision where the Jem'Hadar can be freed of the dependence to K/White, although it was later found out that he was a mutant who could regular his own body with K/White. None the less there was no Vorta around to command the Jem'Hadar.
Omet'iklan needed to prove his loyalty and commitment to the Dominion and Founders by vaporizing Weyoun 4 in front of a Skeptical Sisko after the mission to destroy the Iconian gateway. It shows that there is a possibility that Vorta can be targets of the Jem'Hadar.
I would say there are cases where canonically it is possible that Jem'Hadar do not need to follow the orders of a Vorta and if the Dominion has advanced enough where Jem'Hadar can be programmed to lead a ship of Jem'Hadar without Vorta leadership an still remain in service to the founder on STO, all the better.
one of the main weaknesses in the dominion ranks were Jem'Hadar who had a felexible relationship with their Vorta overseers, and it could cause the Dominion major problems. The Dominion are nothing but adaptable and resilient to changing circumstances.
Kudak'Etan still reported to Gelnon, up to the point where Gelnon left to head back to their side of the border, and even then, Kudak'Etan still had orders from Gelnon to fix the ship and take it back behind the lines.
Goran'Agar was a rogue. He took his men to the planet to free them from the white, and the founders. A vorta would have been in direct confrontation to what Goran'Agar was doing.
As for Omet'iklan, it's not as if there was a Founder standing there telling him to do it, he chose to kill Weyoun 4 because he felt Weyoun had betrayed him and his men by not revealing the true nature of the mission, and not trusting them to keep their vow.
As a quick note, because I know what people are going to say - the Gamma Vanguard pack is not the only way to play a Cardassian,just the only currently announced way.
Was all ready to purchase this until I read limiting the Vanguard Dreadnought Cruiser to Jem’Hadar species only. With the amount of real money and time spent on my main character I am not about to abandon all that. Plus all my Jem’Hadar ships and gear is on my main character.
I love my Dreadnought Carrier and Jem’Hadar equipment and Bridge Officers but I am not going to abandon it all to start a Jem’Hadar species. You have really done yourself out of more money again.
Personally I do not care for the Cardassian bits.
EDIT: You should have done another pack. One just below the full pack without any of the Cardassian items. That would increase sales, increase money.
Oh, that's a typo. I fixed it on one pack but not the starter pack.
The ship is initially available to Jem'Hadar captains, but once you've unlocked the mastery for it it becomes available account wide.
Now that is a good design move that I can get behind. That one change is enough to move me from not buying the pack, to buying the pack. Thank you for the corrected info. Looking forward to trying out the new Jem’Hadar stuff.
way to many titles... i have never used a single one. if the title give you a boost when used... but they are nothing but fluff for accounts/forums.
bug ship should of been included... even if it's the original T5 version.
also those upgrades to equipment is seriously weak sauce. only only get 3 and it's one time only. and you only boost from mk12 to mk13 with zero quality upgrade. the upgrade should be 3 per character with quality upgrade as well, just make it bound to character.
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probably a new lockbox they have in the works down the road. considering that current dominion ships are now shared between lockbox and jem'hadar faction. it now means that the Cardassians are more relevent for a future expansion of their own with the Galors and Keldons.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
What about the Vanguard Jem'Hadar? Will a normal Jem'Hadar be effectively locked into their sub-premium state after creation? This seem like a simple micropayment to avoid weaker traits. Will Van'Hadar have any additional customization options that would (typically) justify a separate species option? I notice the forehead crest but is that Vanguard exclusive?
So far, it's disappointing that the level of input we'll have on this faction seems to be "you'll play as the Jem'Hadar that's second on the right in that one establishing shot, never mind STO's creative potential [a major feature versus other MMO's] and unique place in Star Trek world building." This started with AOY (ie. screen accuracy as the prevailing factor in player character choices), now we're down to one or none even with the opportunity to create a new species of Jem'Hadar. Seriously, why not make Vanguard Jem'Hadar an alien-gen option in all but name (or alien gen up to a point)? They're engineered biological constructs, the Founders can make them whatever they like and players can head-canon that however they wish (as we've always done with alien characters.)
Oi...the ships are cool (the Vanguard escort will be mine!) and I want to make a Jem'Hadar character but the vanguard species news is complicating. It seems like a wasted opportunity for the sake of a simple premium.
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I love my Dreadnought Carrier and Jem’Hadar equipment and Bridge Officers but I am not going to abandon it all to start a Jem’Hadar species. You have really done yourself out of more money again.
Personally I do not care for the Cardassian bits.
EDIT: You should have done another pack. One just below the full pack without any of the Cardassian items. That would increase sales, increase money.
They have used this practice before... Trill vs Joined-Trill. Difference isnt that much. Remains to be seen what traits the Vanguard would have.
packs should eventually roll out to consoles... dont know how much lag there will be.
It's not much, on the FED, but Joined trill on KDF is a more unique species option.
Note on traits: in the blog post it was stated that they will have enhanced traits. That could just mean they have additional or substituted traits but these guys are being explicitly sold as better Jem'Hadar (not a strategic choice or premium customization variant.)
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Will probably only pick up the starter pack and get the rest via the free Dil to Zen exchange, as 6-7 new missions isn't enough to get the big pack!
Though, if these packs are being added to the cstore? i will just get the big pack from there..
might be released to the C-store when ViL launches, all the other packs end up on that store at some point.
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Oh, that's a typo. I fixed it on one pack but not the starter pack.
The ship is initially available to Jem'Hadar captains, but once you've unlocked the mastery for it it becomes available account wide.
not the romulans?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Mk XII to Mk and for just one character! Not even MkXIV to MkXV, even a single kit, which would make a lot more sense with the raised cap coming with these packs.
Come on, you can't do better for a 130€ pack, especially when there are so many useless titles in it?
You have to master the ship before other characters can get it? OK, no money from me. I play escorts, not science ships, not cruisers. Just escorts, with some raiders on the side. I'm not paying a few hundred dollars for a bunch of ships I cannot even add to my Admiralty fleets. I'm not going to play a bunch of ships I cannot stand just to add them to my other toons who'll never use them. If you rethink that policy you'll get my money. NOT BEFORE!!!!!
What Romulans? Romulans are FED or KDF characters, there is no Romulan faction.
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Pretty much, EXACTLY just that. You're paying for a Superior version of the free character.
Pay'Hadar, which likely means that you're getting more customization options to go along with those traits that are superior to the Free'Hadar. I don't like the idea of paid superiority here, but it bothers me more that Cryptic is going this route of "premium" species, with more customization and better traits than the free versions. More so, when The Liberated Borg Captains still can't even get a full body skin and the traits are so lacking. i seriously hope this isn't how Cryptic finally plans to roll out players getting better versions of existing traits.
More than likely, they will be getting more customization options, like that crest and the spines under the eyes. there will likely be a few others but not many. Cryptic tends to cheap out on the species stuff.... *glares angrily at the lack of Borg skins again...*
The romulans aren't even a faction, themselves. That's why they have to join the feds and KDF. Jem'Hadar will be no different, so they can't join the romulans and the romulans wouldn't be joining the dominion anytime soon. I wouldn't doubt if our Dominion characters are forced to join up with starfleet or KDF at some point after the first few mission arcs.
I'm seriously hoping that they're going through and making all the Jem'Hadar look more canon, rather than the cheap knock-offs that we currently have. I'm really curious to see how they handle the Ketrocel-white requirements as well.
Yes and no, there's a new system. Jem'Hadar ships are initially only available to Jem'Hadar characters. However, once they complete all mastery levels these ships are unlocked for all factions.
Cardassian ships, on the other hand, are simply multi-faction. They can be used by anyone from the get-go.
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Not all the time, Kudak'Etan commanded his own force of Jem'Hadar as they stormed, secured and commanded the Defiant. Gelnon was the Vorta in charge who played simply as the mission giver and the rest fell on Kudak'Etan.
Goran'Agar had a vision where the Jem'Hadar can be freed of the dependence to K/White, although it was later found out that he was a mutant who could regular his own body with K/White. None the less there was no Vorta around to command the Jem'Hadar.
Omet'iklan needed to prove his loyalty and commitment to the Dominion and Founders by vaporizing Weyoun 4 in front of a Skeptical Sisko after the mission to destroy the Iconian gateway. It shows that there is a possibility that Vorta can be targets of the Jem'Hadar.
I would say there are cases where canonically it is possible that Jem'Hadar do not need to follow the orders of a Vorta and if the Dominion has advanced enough where Jem'Hadar can be programmed to lead a ship of Jem'Hadar without Vorta leadership an still remain in service to the founder on STO, all the better.
one of the main weaknesses in the dominion ranks were Jem'Hadar who had a felexible relationship with their Vorta overseers, and it could cause the Dominion major problems. The Dominion are nothing but adaptable and resilient to changing circumstances.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
So I don't understand why everyone gets Jem'Hadar ships and not, say, Romulan ships. Why take this away from the Jem'Hadar?
Precedent, Jem'Hadar ships have been multi-faction for a very long time. Romulan ships weren't.
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Kudak'Etan still reported to Gelnon, up to the point where Gelnon left to head back to their side of the border, and even then, Kudak'Etan still had orders from Gelnon to fix the ship and take it back behind the lines.
Goran'Agar was a rogue. He took his men to the planet to free them from the white, and the founders. A vorta would have been in direct confrontation to what Goran'Agar was doing.
As for Omet'iklan, it's not as if there was a Founder standing there telling him to do it, he chose to kill Weyoun 4 because he felt Weyoun had betrayed him and his men by not revealing the true nature of the mission, and not trusting them to keep their vow.
This is already confirmed previously.
bug ship should of been included... even if it's the original T5 version.
also those upgrades to equipment is seriously weak sauce. only only get 3 and it's one time only. and you only boost from mk12 to mk13 with zero quality upgrade. the upgrade should be 3 per character with quality upgrade as well, just make it bound to character.