Canonically there is almost always a Vorta on any given Dominion ship, and they are ranked higher than the First. So are the Vorta just going unannounced for now, or are we pulling a Discovery where the Vorta will be there and in command of the ship, but you, the First, are the main character.
Not all the time, Kudak'Etan commanded his own force of Jem'Hadar as they stormed, secured and commanded the Defiant. Gelnon was the Vorta in charge who played simply as the mission giver and the rest fell on Kudak'Etan.
Goran'Agar had a vision where the Jem'Hadar can be freed of the dependence to K/White, although it was later found out that he was a mutant who could regular his own body with K/White. None the less there was no Vorta around to command the Jem'Hadar.
Omet'iklan needed to prove his loyalty and commitment to the Dominion and Founders by vaporizing Weyoun 4 in front of a Skeptical Sisko after the mission to destroy the Iconian gateway. It shows that there is a possibility that Vorta can be targets of the Jem'Hadar.
I would say there are cases where canonically it is possible that Jem'Hadar do not need to follow the orders of a Vorta and if the Dominion has advanced enough where Jem'Hadar can be programmed to lead a ship of Jem'Hadar without Vorta leadership an still remain in service to the founder on STO, all the better.
one of the main weaknesses in the dominion ranks were Jem'Hadar who had a felexible relationship with their Vorta overseers, and it could cause the Dominion major problems. The Dominion are nothing but adaptable and resilient to changing circumstances.
Regardless of the reasoning, lack of playable Vorta is a major reason why I won't be switching from my Aliengen Dominion character to an actual Dominion character. Always found Vorta far more interesting than Jem'Hadar.
I realize all Jem'Hadar ships will be account unlocks. I want to know if the Cardassian ships will also be account unlocks for all characters currently on your account, or only available for Cardassian characters as per the Romulan ships.
Looks like will be available for all factions on the Cardassians.
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So everyone else gets all the Jem'Hadar faction's ships, and their own faction's unique ships, and Jem'Hadars only get the ships that they're sharing with everyone else?
Seems like it takes away a lot from playing a Jem'Hadar character, if they have no unique ships of their own.
I think it's likely (though by no means certain) that Jem'Hadar are in a very similar position to TOS-FED. They offer a new starting point but aren't meant to offer a full faction experience on their own. I think they'll get their allies T6 ships as well. Think of how multi-faction packs would work if Jem'Hadar were given full parity. You'd have a FED, KDF, and ROM option, exclusive to each faction, and then a DOM option that anyone could use. It would be maddeningly counter productive (as the one DOM ship immediately invalidates the functional purpose [though not the aesthetic one] of having a big bundle.)
That doesn't necessarily preclude more DOM ships in future, separate from the other factions. But, I would not be trying to put the Dominion into the terms everyone else (besides TOS FED) plays by. These guys will function differently, whatever the specifics may actually be.
Kind of a disappointment that Jems have to share all their ships. I think people would have been fine if the Jems got their own and the lockbox ones were left as-is.
Provided DOM players continued getting ships, at 33% more workload per bundle for Cryptic. Again, Jem'Hadar don't have full parity. They are comparable to TOS-FED.
I suppose I was expecting more for the Dom faction that people have been hoping for for such a long time. To take their identity away right after giving to them, well, it's disheartening. I would've been happy with a half-faction like Romulans, but it seems like there's little incentive to play a Dominion character now.
The multi-faction pack problem could easily have been solved by letting only Dom characters use the Dom ships (much like the Roms are). If they truly are like the TOS-Feds then I guess the Dom faction will get these pack ships and then be put on the shelf and ignored. What a shame.
Vorta - even if it won't fit into whatever new storyline, it doesn't matter any more than KDF or Roms doing menial tasks for federation superiors, so make it happen. I too don't want to play as a supersoldier on drugs.
I realize all Jem'Hadar ships will be account unlocks. I want to know if the Cardassian ships will also be account unlocks for all characters currently on your account, or only available for Cardassian characters as per the Romulan ships.
T6 Cardassian Intel Science Dreadnought – Damar-class
This soaring juggernaut leads the line of new Cloak-enabled Intelligence-focused starships, focusing on misdirection and undermining enemy effectiveness. The Damar-class bears the honor of being named for the martyred military leader that helped free Cardassia from Dominion oppression during the Dominion War, which paved the way for further social reforms and prosperity for the people of Cardassia. This ship is available for all factions.
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I suppose I was expecting more for the Dom faction that people have been hoping for for such a long time. To take their identity away right after giving to them, well, it's disheartening. I would've been happy with a half-faction like Romulans, but it seems like there's little incentive to play a Dominion character now.
The multi-faction pack problem could easily have been solved by letting only Dom characters use the Dom ships (much like the Roms are). If they truly are like the TOS-Feds then I guess the Dom faction will get these pack ships and then be put on the shelf and ignored. What a shame.
A way to look at this might be that, by the pattern of past expansions, we weren't expecting ViL to have any new faction options; only end-game content like DR. However, Cryptic proved to be more flexible and found a way of offering Dominion without committing to a 4 way split to future c-store bundles and a sprawling tutorial. It's new. It may also be disappointing but the novelty is something that Cryptic could use in future to give us more unexpected options (Borg Coop is thoroughly expected but after that...it gets very interesting.)
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Vorta - even if it won't fit into whatever new storyline, it doesn't matter any more than KDF or Roms doing menial tasks for federation superiors, so make it happen. I too don't want to play as a supersoldier on drugs.
I believe another reason they mentioned was because Vorta don't typically get directly involved in ground combat, but imo that's not a good enough reason not to do it, and if they really feel the need to justify it they could just invent a new breed of Vorta like they did with the Jem'Hadar, but have the new Vorta look identical to normal Vorta.
Vorta - even if it won't fit into whatever new storyline, it doesn't matter any more than KDF or Roms doing menial tasks for federation superiors, so make it happen. I too don't want to play as a supersoldier on drugs.
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They're not part of the Jem'Hadar faction. They're unlocks for KDF and Starfleet.
What about the Cardassian ships? Are they tied to just the Jem'hadar faction? ... The Cardassian toons? ... or anyone?
For each one, from the blog:
"This ship is available for all factions"
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I was taking a look at the starter packs and saw this, 'Downloadable Content: Requires the base game Star Trek Online on Arc in order to play.' I run my game off the original disc. I'd prefer not to be forced to play on Arc...really curious if I do go the prepay route and get one of these starter packs will I be forced to run the game through Arc in order to access the pack or for that matter even the new content. Perhaps its just worded that way to steer new players to Arc but on the other hand maybe its not.
I was taking a look at the starter packs and saw this, 'Downloadable Content: Requires the base game Star Trek Online on Arc in order to play.' I run my game off the original disc. I'd prefer not to be forced to play on Arc...really curious if I do go the prepay route and get one of these starter packs will I be forced to run the game through Arc in order to access the pack or for that matter even the new content. Perhaps its just worded that way to steer new players to Arc but on the other hand maybe its not.
Oh god I hope they don't start requiring Arc and retire the stand alone launcher ... it already pisses me off to no end that I have to have Steam installed to play 90% of computer games these days, and Origin if I want to play Battlefield or Battlefront. The only program of this kind that I don't see as unnecessary bloatware is the Battle.net launcher, and that's only because it saves my authenticator info, and I actually play 5 / 7 of the games on there.
I am a little disappointed by the designs of the Cardassian ships, I also wish they would make them a little more gold/orange like the ships in the show.
I am a little disappointed by the designs of the Cardassian ships, I also wish they would make them a little more gold/orange like the ships in the show.
They look neat. You can probably change their material to orange type (fingers crossed).
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Was all ready to purchase this until I read limiting the Vanguard Dreadnought Cruiser to Jem’Hadar species only. With the amount of real money and time spent on my main character I am not about to abandon all that. Plus all my Jem’Hadar ships and gear is on my main character.
I love my Dreadnought Carrier and Jem’Hadar equipment and Bridge Officers but I am not going to abandon it all to start a Jem’Hadar species. You have really done yourself out of more money again.
Personally I do not care for the Cardassian bits.
EDIT: You should have done another pack. One just below the full pack without any of the Cardassian items. That would increase sales, increase money.
Well the Cardi bits are the only reason i consider the pack at all i don't care for the Ugly T6 Jem Ships at all especialy because only a Dominion toon can fly em.
The thing that still holds me back is that i can roll a Cardi as part of the Romulan Republic.
These 'High End' Upgrades are probably the 110k ones they have been giving out with the Packs since Delta Rising. For items that are 220k or so you will probably need all three to get you to the next Mk.
They really should be giving out Ultimate Upgrades at this point since they've introduced them. Would make the Pack a better value. These 110k ones don't even help out with Quality.
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I cannot believe how awesome this expansion is working out for me.
1) I have two alien gen cardassians. Both are Romulans allied with Klingons. I am blown away that all new cardassian ships are available to all factions and have built in cloaks! My cardassian captains have all romulan/reman ship crew and alien gen cardassian ground crew. On top of that 8 have no interest in either “true” cardassian racial trait. Essentially what they did was perfect for my already existing cardassians.
2) I have several toons that have one or the other of the original t5-u dominion ships, and I haven’t bothered to complete the set on any of them. Being able to complete the set on all of my toons is going to do wonders to even out my head cannon on some bad impulse purchases.
3) the dominion faction is not some hodgepodge excuse for why the breen, cardassians, and dominion should all still be working together. This makes me very happy.
All in all this expansion isn’t perfect, but it meshes with my characters and head cannon perfectly and I couldn’t be happier!
Was all ready to purchase this until I read limiting the Vanguard Dreadnought Cruiser to Jem’Hadar species only. With the amount of real money and time spent on my main character I am not about to abandon all that. Plus all my Jem’Hadar ships and gear is on my main character.
I love my Dreadnought Carrier and Jem’Hadar equipment and Bridge Officers but I am not going to abandon it all to start a Jem’Hadar species. You have really done yourself out of more money again.
Personally I do not care for the Cardassian bits.
EDIT: You should have done another pack. One just below the full pack without any of the Cardassian items. That would increase sales, increase money.
Oh, that's a typo. I fixed it on one pack but not the starter pack.
The ship is initially available to Jem'Hadar captains, but once you've unlocked the mastery for it it becomes available account wide.
Now that is a good design move that I can get behind. That one change is enough to move me from not buying the pack, to buying the pack. Thank you for the corrected info. Looking forward to trying out the new Jem’Hadar stuff.
Just because, more than once, I've misread something...I'd like clarified further whether or not merely the unique traits of these ships are unlocked (similar to current, save for the account-wide part) or if it's the entire ships that become unlocked.
$130 for the big pack... only 6 real ships (sorry those 2 T5 for me don't count since I wont be flying em ever), 2 new playable races that I will probably only use the JHD since I dont have any more character slots... game will probably give out 1 new character slot and that will be for the JHD. 1 new costume. and the rest is all junk/fluff I will never use. Breaks down to just under $22 per ship.
probably will wait till this is 30-50% off cash only sale. at 30% off, price goes down to $91, which means it'll be just over $15 a ship. Thats more reasonable.
$130 for the big pack... only 6 real ships (sorry those 2 T5 for me don't count since I wont be flying em ever), 2 new playable races that I will probably only use the JHD since I dont have any more character slots... game will probably give out 1 new character slot and that will be for the JHD. 1 new costume. and the rest is all junk/fluff I will never use. Breaks down to just under $22 per ship.
probably will wait till this is 30-50% off cash only sale. at 30% off, price goes down to $91, which means it'll be just over $15 a ship. Thats more reasonable.
Well you could do it like it is supposed to be in cannon.
If your Jem dies you delete the toon and roll a new one!
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way to many titles... i have never used a single one. if the title give you a boost when used... but they are nothing but fluff for accounts/forums.
bug ship should of been included... even if it's the original T5 version.
also those upgrades to equipment is seriously weak sauce. only only get 3 and it's one time only. and you only boost from mk12 to mk13 with zero quality upgrade. the upgrade should be 3 per character with quality upgrade as well, just make it bound to character.
Perhaps they may give us the t5 bug for free
I shall hope and pray, though if Cryptic claims that Jem'Hadar starting at Level 60 will have a competitive edge, an advantaged start already and actively obtained reputation / specializations from day 1, I will set the bar a bit higher and say only if they give us a T6 Bug once we graduate the story arc at Level 65 of Jem'Hadar will I truly be happy.
Also, what happened to the canon if we now have outdated 24th century T5 ships, the mystical new T6 25th century ships in this pack, and the weird in-between Lockbox/Lobi T6 ships with enhanced versions of the T5 consoles? Can we work on equitable consolidation? Could every existing T5 lockbox / lobi just be scrapped and us given the free T6 versions now? Getting a bit muddled and annoying #MakeWells&MobiusGreatAgain
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Regardless of the reasoning, lack of playable Vorta is a major reason why I won't be switching from my Aliengen Dominion character to an actual Dominion character. Always found Vorta far more interesting than Jem'Hadar.
Looks like will be available for all factions on the Cardassians.
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I suppose I was expecting more for the Dom faction that people have been hoping for for such a long time. To take their identity away right after giving to them, well, it's disheartening. I would've been happy with a half-faction like Romulans, but it seems like there's little incentive to play a Dominion character now.
The multi-faction pack problem could easily have been solved by letting only Dom characters use the Dom ships (much like the Roms are). If they truly are like the TOS-Feds then I guess the Dom faction will get these pack ships and then be put on the shelf and ignored. What a shame.
T6 Cardassian Intel Science Dreadnought – Damar-class
This soaring juggernaut leads the line of new Cloak-enabled Intelligence-focused starships, focusing on misdirection and undermining enemy effectiveness. The Damar-class bears the honor of being named for the martyred military leader that helped free Cardassia from Dominion oppression during the Dominion War, which paved the way for further social reforms and prosperity for the people of Cardassia. This ship is available for all factions.
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A way to look at this might be that, by the pattern of past expansions, we weren't expecting ViL to have any new faction options; only end-game content like DR. However, Cryptic proved to be more flexible and found a way of offering Dominion without committing to a 4 way split to future c-store bundles and a sprawling tutorial. It's new. It may also be disappointing but the novelty is something that Cryptic could use in future to give us more unexpected options (Borg Coop is thoroughly expected but after that...it gets very interesting.)
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What about the Cardassian ships? Are they tied to just the Jem'hadar faction? ... The Cardassian toons? ... or anyone?
U.S.S. Maelstrom, NCC-71417 (Constitution III-class/flagship) --- Fleet Admiral Hauk' --|-- Dahar Master Hauk --- I.K.S. qu'In 'an bortaS (D7-class / flagship)
Says they are for all characters.
I believe another reason they mentioned was because Vorta don't typically get directly involved in ground combat, but imo that's not a good enough reason not to do it, and if they really feel the need to justify it they could just invent a new breed of Vorta like they did with the Jem'Hadar, but have the new Vorta look identical to normal Vorta.
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I quoted that a while ago. Apparently the ability to read and seek information on the first page link has diminished for a few individuals.
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Oh god I hope they don't start requiring Arc and retire the stand alone launcher ... it already pisses me off to no end that I have to have Steam installed to play 90% of computer games these days, and Origin if I want to play Battlefield or Battlefront. The only program of this kind that I don't see as unnecessary bloatware is the Battle.net launcher, and that's only because it saves my authenticator info, and I actually play 5 / 7 of the games on there.
They look neat. You can probably change their material to orange type (fingers crossed).
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Well the Cardi bits are the only reason i consider the pack at all i don't care for the Ugly T6 Jem Ships at all especialy because only a Dominion toon can fly em.
The thing that still holds me back is that i can roll a Cardi as part of the Romulan Republic.
They really should be giving out Ultimate Upgrades at this point since they've introduced them. Would make the Pack a better value. These 110k ones don't even help out with Quality.
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Looks like I'll be holding onto my cash.
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1) I have two alien gen cardassians. Both are Romulans allied with Klingons. I am blown away that all new cardassian ships are available to all factions and have built in cloaks! My cardassian captains have all romulan/reman ship crew and alien gen cardassian ground crew. On top of that 8 have no interest in either “true” cardassian racial trait. Essentially what they did was perfect for my already existing cardassians.
2) I have several toons that have one or the other of the original t5-u dominion ships, and I haven’t bothered to complete the set on any of them. Being able to complete the set on all of my toons is going to do wonders to even out my head cannon on some bad impulse purchases.
3) the dominion faction is not some hodgepodge excuse for why the breen, cardassians, and dominion should all still be working together. This makes me very happy.
All in all this expansion isn’t perfect, but it meshes with my characters and head cannon perfectly and I couldn’t be happier!
Just because, more than once, I've misread something...I'd like clarified further whether or not merely the unique traits of these ships are unlocked (similar to current, save for the account-wide part) or if it's the entire ships that become unlocked.
probably will wait till this is 30-50% off cash only sale. at 30% off, price goes down to $91, which means it'll be just over $15 a ship. Thats more reasonable.
Also will the new Vanguard Warship be a frigate pet aswell ?
Well you could do it like it is supposed to be in cannon.
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Probably will when it's released and put into the C-Store. The 'Preorder' one needs the Arc version of STO.
I shall hope and pray, though if Cryptic claims that Jem'Hadar starting at Level 60 will have a competitive edge, an advantaged start already and actively obtained reputation / specializations from day 1, I will set the bar a bit higher and say only if they give us a T6 Bug once we graduate the story arc at Level 65 of Jem'Hadar will I truly be happy.
Also, what happened to the canon if we now have outdated 24th century T5 ships, the mystical new T6 25th century ships in this pack, and the weird in-between Lockbox/Lobi T6 ships with enhanced versions of the T5 consoles? Can we work on equitable consolidation? Could every existing T5 lockbox / lobi just be scrapped and us given the free T6 versions now? Getting a bit muddled and annoying #MakeWells&MobiusGreatAgain