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Gameplay Issue: Phoenix Box should contain Deprecated T5 Lockbox Ships

sekritagentsekritagent Member Posts: 510 Arc User
edited March 2018 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Given that the OG lockbox ship, the T5 Jem'Hadar Attack Ship, is available at the Ultra Rare tier in the Phoenix Store, the following deprecated T5 lockbox offerings should also be included at Ultra Rare, especially now that they have T6 counterparts:
  • Cardassian Galor Cruiser
  • Xindi-Aquatic Narcine Dreadnought Carrier
  • Elachi S'golth Escort
  • Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer
  • ...list should continue to expand as T5->T6 conversions continue

Given that the Epic tier of ships contains exclusive T6 event releases, the following exclusive T5 event releases should also be added, but to the Ultra Rare tier along with other T5 offerings, even though some pre-date Legacy of Romulus. Given that the Phoenix Prize Tokens are bound to account, players can simply scoop them up on an alternate character. I am aware of the Fleet Store availability of some of these, but the prices are pretty high.
  • Odyssey Star Cruiser (Starfleet)
  • Bortas Battle Cruiser (KDF)
  • Obelisk Carrier (All Factions)
  • Support Cruiser Retrofit (Starfleet)
  • Kamarag Battle Cruiser (KDF)

Previously exclusive uniform unlocks would be really great additions at the Very Rare tier! There's really no reason to not make these available, and it's not a "slap in the face" to anyone who just happened to be online that day after reading the website post and/or forums.
  • Kelvin Timeline Admiral Uniform
  • Kobali Uniforms
  • Star Trek Discovery Uniforms

Note that since the T5 Lobi ships are still in the Lobi store, those don't need to be included in the Phoenix Store. But these prizes are truly unavailable now and it's what the Phoenix Pack is all about.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,829 Community Moderator
    sekritagent wrote: »
    • Odyssey Star Cruiser (Starfleet)
    • Bortas Battle Cruiser (KDF)
    • Obelisk Carrier (All Factions)

    T5 Ody and Bort are available to fleets with a T5 shipyard.
    The Obelisk is at a T1 spire.
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    sekritagent wrote: »
    Given that the OG lockbox ship, the T5 Jem'Hadar Attack Ship, is available at the Ultra Rare tier in the Phoenix Store, the following deprecated T5 lockbox offerings should also be included at Ultra Rare, especially now that they have T6 counterparts:
    • Cardassian Galor Cruiser
    • Xindi-Aquatic Narcine Dreadnought Carrier
    • Elachi S'golth Escort
    • Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer
    • ...list should continue to expand as T5->T6 conversions continue
    I agree. I went into great detail about this in a thread I created a while ago. Not a lot of bites on the forum though. It seems that there isn't much interest in these old ships.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,753 Arc User
    It's "would be nice" but I think Cryptic wants us to open lock boxes for the T6 versions instead.

    JHAS T5 is an odd case since wasn't a lock box or R&D ship - https://sto.gamepedia.com/Jem'Hadar_Attack_Ship

    It was in "winter packs" in the Winter 2011-12 event, then in doff packs from 2012 - 2014.
  • ussvaliant#6064 ussvaliant
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    edited March 2018
    What they should also do is make the Epic ships an account unlock minimum due to the extremely poor drop rate of epic tokens. Luckily I've unlocked all the T6 event ships, but seeing's as these ships were given away free after a 30 day grind, there is no good reason other than the greed of a Ferengi (Buy more Zen, burn more dil per character) to not account unlock them.

    I think the price of an Epic token is worth an account lock
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,753 Arc User
    ussvaliant#6064 wrote: »
    What they should also do is make the Epic ships an account unlock minimum due to the extremely poor drop rate of epic tokens. Luckily I've unlocked all the T6 event ships, but seeing's as these ships were given away free after a 30 day grind, there is no good reason other than the greed of a Ferengi (Buy more Zen, burn more dil per character) to not account unlock them.

    I think the price of an Epic token is worth an account lock

    Greed? The "consolation prize" here for the 4,000 dil phoenix pack is a 4,300 dil universal tech upgrade. (= 4 x superior tech, AND no mats + 15,000 EC cost to craft it.)

    If you upgrade gear, it's the best upgrade available after the Omega ones.
  • casualstocasualsto Member Posts: 672 Arc User
    I agree and support this idea. Sounds legitimate.
  • ussvaliant#6064 ussvaliant
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    davefenestrator wrote: »
    ussvaliant#6064 wrote: »
    What they should also do is make the Epic ships an account unlock minimum due to the extremely poor drop rate of epic tokens. Luckily I've unlocked all the T6 event ships, but seeing's as these ships were given away free after a 30 day grind, there is no good reason other than the greed of a Ferengi (Buy more Zen, burn more dil per character) to not account unlock them.

    I think the price of an Epic token is worth an account lock

    Greed? The "consolation prize" here for the 4,000 dil phoenix pack is a 4,300 dil universal tech upgrade. (= 4 x superior tech, AND no mats + 15,000 EC cost to craft it.)

    If you upgrade gear, it's the best upgrade available after the Omega ones.

    That's all I open them for, same goes with lockboxes where I open them for the lobi thesedays.

    I did have a spat of very gl luck on Thursday and Friday where I won 2 Vanguards ? on Thursday and 2 of the KDF carriers on Friday. I did buy a lotto ticket for Saturday but I guess I used up all my luck the previous 2 days so i'll have to be space rich rather than RL rich. :)
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  • latiasracerlatiasracer Member Posts: 680 Arc User
    It's a good idea, and I'm definitely for it.

    I dont think the ships that are on sale via the fleet-store need to be included though.
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  • plaztikman64plaztikman64 Member Posts: 725 Arc User
    Any special item that is outdated at one point in time, should be included into the Phoenix luckbox;)
  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,899 Arc User
    Those ships were ripped kicking and screaming from the infinity box so it would be much better if they kept (replaced) them there and saved the phoenix box for ingame prize things like the zefs shotty etc.

    Although that might get a limited list due to sompek and maru events having their own store now.
  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,215 Arc User
    edited March 2018
    Certain T5's such as the Galor would have to be on an epic token rather than an ultra token since it comes with the spiralwave disruptors and dil store unlock for them.
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited March 2018
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    It's "would be nice" but I think Cryptic wants us to open lock boxes for the T6 versions instead.

    JHAS T5 is an odd case since wasn't a lock box or R&D ship - https://sto.gamepedia.com/Jem'Hadar_Attack_Ship

    It was in "winter packs" in the Winter 2011-12 event, then in doff packs from 2012 - 2014.

    JHAS isn't an odd case really. It's also a retired promo ship along with the Voth Bulwark ship. I think that cryptic doesn't intend to create a T6 Voth promo ship but it would be nice. Since it won't be re-run as a T5 promo ship, putting it into the phoenix pack made sense. Putting the T5 JHAS in there is a sweetener if nothing else. It was the ultimate hype/buzz ship before the T6 ships and the T6 Constitution came along and does a good job helping to push phoenix packs to players that already have all the event ships. Many of them do not have a bug ship in any form.
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,215 Arc User
    edited March 2018
    The only Voth ship which could be turned into a promo ship is the citadel ship, but even that is just too big to be a player ship, it's even bigger than the Universe class.
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  • latiasracerlatiasracer Member Posts: 680 Arc User
    salazarraze wrote: »
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    It's "would be nice" but I think Cryptic wants us to open lock boxes for the T6 versions instead.

    JHAS T5 is an odd case since wasn't a lock box or R&D ship - https://sto.gamepedia.com/Jem'Hadar_Attack_Ship

    It was in "winter packs" in the Winter 2011-12 event, then in doff packs from 2012 - 2014.

    JHAS isn't an odd case really. It's also a retired promo ship along with the Voth Bulwark ship. I think that cryptic doesn't intend to create a T6 Voth promo ship but it would be nice. Since it won't be re-run as a T5 promo ship, putting it into the phoenix pack made sense. Putting the T5 JHAS in there is a sweetener if nothing else. It was the ultimate hype/buzz ship before the T6 ships and the T6 Constitution came along and does a good job helping to push phoenix packs to players that already have all the event ships. Many of them do not have a bug ship in any form.

    If we do see T6 Voth ships, i think the T6 bulwark will probably make it into the box ala Vonph/Whatever that nakhul ship is called.

    I dont think it sold all that well, as back in the day the only stat that mattered was tactical consoles and turn rate, and by that standard it was a pretty trash ship. Given they only ran it once, and then just went straight back to using the JHAS as the Promotion! ship i suspect this is the case.

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  • voyagerfan9751voyagerfan9751 Member Posts: 1,120 Arc User
    Here is the thing with the OG lockbox ships, all of those were taken out to replace with a T6 version, and the original skins (that you got from the T5 versions) are, if I understand correctly, are unlocked with the T6 versions. So before I support adding something like that back in, you would need to convince me there is a reason. Why have the lower level ship included?
  • sovereign010sovereign010 Member Posts: 641 Arc User
    Back when the bug ship was the most desirable ship to have, like all the other escort/raptor ships it had the 4:3 weapon layout. When the new wave of ships arrived sporting 5:2 it quickly became obsolete. To stay relevant the T6 version really needed to adopt the new loadout, but I'm not aware of any ship upon receiving a T6 counterpart getting such a thing.

    Another point against the JHAS is that the hangar pets it unlocks are only usable on the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier, which is a shame because several of my toons have ships with a hangar bay and would really appreciate the option!
  • lopequillopequil Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    Ask a silly question, but why? You can use the old skins on the new ships so I can’t see the benefit of being able to claim the old ones, unless you want to purposely hobble yourself.
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    ummm we have the infinity box... don't they have the old T5 lockbox ships?
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    tigeraries wrote: »
    ummm we have the infinity box... don't they have the old T5 lockbox ships?
    They are removed each time a T6 version of a T5 old ship is added.
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  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5
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    I don't really see the point of adding them as Ultra rare token-ships.

    Many people have claimed to have opened hundreds if not thousands of these boxes without getting a ship token, I'm one of those who never had one.

    If you need to open hundreds if not over one thousand of these things, wouldn't it simply be much easier to just buy the T6 versions of the ships either through the Exchange or simply trying your luck with lock boxes? They have access to the T5 skins as far as I know (I only own one T5-turned-T6 lock box ship, the Sistruus and it has access to the T5 skin).


    Maybe if they made them very rare ones that it would be useful, but then again that would probably not properly represent their price when they still dropped from boxes.

    I think there is simply something else needed to have this idea of adding retired lobi ships to the Phoenix box making sense - which is a change to the drop rate of the UR and epic tokens. They're horrible right now, and anyone who can afford to spend the millions of dilithium needed to have a reasonable chance at winning a ship, could also simply buy the ships that are still dropping and which have everything the old T5s have - plus more.
  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5
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    Adding the other stuff such as uniforms (and other event rewards such as the Voth fangs, the Stadi etc.) would be logical though, given what the Phoenix box was supposed to do.

    To add to my previous post, adding retired lobi ships to the Phoenix box as UR or epic token-ships would make sense if they made them account unlocks, as suggested previously by ussvaliant:
    ussvaliant#6064 wrote: »
    What they should also do is make the Epic ships an account unlock minimum due to the extremely poor drop rate of epic tokens. Luckily I've unlocked all the T6 event ships, but seeing's as these ships were given away free after a 30 day grind, there is no good reason other than the greed of a Ferengi (Buy more Zen, burn more dil per character) to not account unlock them.

    I think the price of an Epic token is worth an account lock

    Then the drop rate could remain the same, and then there would be a point to try and get these ships through the Phoenix box - instead of simply buying Zen and trying your luck with lock boxes (which have far better drop rates it seems) or just buying through the Exchange.
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »
    I don't really see the point of adding them as Ultra rare token-ships.
    If you have every single event ship, plus a bugship and a voth bulwark, this gives you yet ANOTHER reason to open a phoenix pack. More is better.
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    salazarraze wrote: »
    tigeraries wrote: »
    ummm we have the infinity box... don't they have the old T5 lockbox ships?
    They are removed each time a T6 version of a T5 old ship is added.

    oh the old lock box grand prize ships... they could also just give you the T5 ship if you claim the T6 version. Course the T5 would be bind on acquire, not open box, to prevent selling on exchange.
  • ambassadorkael#6946 ambassadorkael
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    Hey kids,

    Like many things on this lovely game of ours, adding items to the Phoenix Box is actually more work than just clicking a box somewhere that says "make this in the Phoenix Box." The team went through and added an original list of items they thought would be popular, and are slowly adding more over time. The box, I promise, is not static.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,829 Community Moderator
    PLEASE tell me that the Kobali outfit will make its way into the Phoenix box?
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  • voyagerfan9751voyagerfan9751 Member Posts: 1,120 Arc User
    tigeraries wrote: »
    salazarraze wrote: »
    tigeraries wrote: »
    ummm we have the infinity box... don't they have the old T5 lockbox ships?
    They are removed each time a T6 version of a T5 old ship is added.

    oh the old lock box grand prize ships... they could also just give you the T5 ship if you claim the T6 version. Course the T5 would be bind on acquire, not open box, to prevent selling on exchange.

    Which again, I ask (and someone else too) Why? What is the point of getting a T5 ship that is inferior to the T6 version you just got? I am seriously curious, because I don't understand why you need the physical ship, when you get the skin for the T6 version and the T6 is suppose to be superior.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited March 2018
    rattler2 wrote: »
    PLEASE tell me that the Kobali outfit will make its way into the Phoenix box?

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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,181 Community Moderator
    rattler2 wrote: »
    PLEASE tell me that the Kobali outfit will make its way into the Phoenix box?

    The Kobali uniform needs to be added as a permanent reward for the episode mission.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,829 Community Moderator
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    rattler2 wrote: »
    PLEASE tell me that the Kobali outfit will make its way into the Phoenix box?

    The Kobali uniform needs to be added as a permanent reward for the episode mission.

    I'd love that even more.
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    Yang Xiao Long wrote:
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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