Martok's line in the latest FE

thecoffinfly · February 2018

Where he tells my character that they "fight like a Klingon" has had me paranoid he's a victim of choH'a' ever since.
:P

turbomagnus · February 2018

thecoffinfly wrote: »

Where he tells my character that they "fight like a Klingon" has had me paranoid he's a victim of choH'a' ever since.
:P

Yeah, there's a lot of lines like that in the game. My personal favorite was "A Step Between Stars" when Koren started talking about 'you'll see what happens when a Klingon gets angry' to my Fed-Klingon. I was like "What, are you implying that I'm not a real Klingon or something?"

Or all the times anyone in First City (especially J'mpok) talks about my KDF characters' House when they're an Orion or a Gorn or such...

Really do think that dialogue in the game needs to pay more attention to species/race rather than just faction, y'know?

tyler002 · February 2018

turbomagnus wrote: »

thecoffinfly wrote: »

Where he tells my character that they "fight like a Klingon" has had me paranoid he's a victim of choH'a' ever since.
:P

Yeah, there's a lot of lines like that in the game. My personal favorite was "A Step Between Stars" when Koren started talking about 'you'll see what happens when a Klingon gets angry' to my Fed-Klingon. I was like "What, are you implying that I'm not a real Klingon or something?"

Yeah, that's probably exactly what she was implying. Klingons can be dicks like that.

thecoffinfly · February 2018

turbomagnus wrote: »

thecoffinfly wrote: »

Where he tells my character that they "fight like a Klingon" has had me paranoid he's a victim of choH'a' ever since.
:P

Yeah, there's a lot of lines like that in the game. My personal favorite was "A Step Between Stars" when Koren started talking about 'you'll see what happens when a Klingon gets angry' to my Fed-Klingon. I was like "What, are you implying that I'm not a real Klingon or something?"

Or all the times anyone in First City (especially J'mpok) talks about my KDF characters' House when they're an Orion or a Gorn or such...

Really do think that dialogue in the game needs to pay more attention to species/race rather than just faction, y'know?

Aye, maybe, but having just watched the latest ep of DISCO, my character, as a Vulcan n' all....Made me wonder if I was J'pock's pawn all long. He, my character has made aa lot of Klingon friends lately....Queue flash backs of surgery and Klingon nips.

turbomagnus · February 2018

...Then I suggest avoiding Klingons supposedly defecting/taken as Prisoners-of-War reciting prayers about Kahless. And any Mirror counterparts you might have, for that matter.

captainkoltar · February 2018

Isn't Martok talking to Tzen-Warum, the Tzenkethi captain with that line? Maybe I'm misremembering, but doesn't he finish it with '... Now, wlll you die like one?'

thecoffinfly · February 2018

turbomagnus wrote: »

...Then I suggest avoiding Klingons supposedly defecting/taken as Prisoners-of-War reciting prayers about Kahless. And any Mirror counterparts you might have, for that matter.

qeylIS wIquvmoHmeH

I mean "Most Logical"

My Crossfield has a brig full of Klingons...

hahaha

I wonder if the devs put that line "fighting like a Klingon" in as a nod..or not, it is very Martok-y as a line on its own.

vetteguy904 · February 2018

tyler002 wrote: »

turbomagnus wrote: »

thecoffinfly wrote: »

Where he tells my character that they "fight like a Klingon" has had me paranoid he's a victim of choH'a' ever since.
:P

Yeah, there's a lot of lines like that in the game. My personal favorite was "A Step Between Stars" when Koren started talking about 'you'll see what happens when a Klingon gets angry' to my Fed-Klingon. I was like "What, are you implying that I'm not a real Klingon or something?"

Yeah, that's probably exactly what she was implying. Klingons can be dicks like that.

so can bajorans. Mariah and Snake want to find that docking control officer and eject her out of a docking airlock

kaithan1975 · February 2018

captainkoltar wrote: »

Isn't Martok talking to Tzen-Warum, the Tzenkethi captain with that line? Maybe I'm misremembering, but doesn't he finish it with '... Now, wlll you die like one?'

Correct.

thecoffinfly · February 2018

kaithan1975 wrote: »

captainkoltar wrote: »

Isn't Martok talking to Tzen-Warum, the Tzenkethi captain with that line? Maybe I'm misremembering, but doesn't he finish it with '... Now, wlll you die like one?'

Correct.

I assumed he was talking to me in that very Klingon way.

fleetcaptain5 · February 2018

azrael605 wrote: »

> @tyler002 said:
> turbomagnus wrote: »
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> thecoffinfly wrote: »
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> Where he tells my character that they "fight like a Klingon" has had me paranoid he's a victim of choH'a' ever since.
> :P
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> Yeah, there's a lot of lines like that in the game. My personal favorite was "A Step Between Stars" when Koren started talking about 'you'll see what happens when a Klingon gets angry' to my Fed-Klingon. I was like "What, are you implying that I'm not a real Klingon or something?"
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> Yeah, that's probably exactly what she was implying. Klingons can be dicks like that.

Worf dealt with a lot of that, like being told off by Duras for coming into the council chambers in a "child's uniform".

Gowron said the same right before Worf challenged him.

fleetcaptain5 · February 2018

We have the same thing on the side of the Federation. I can't think of an example right now, but often NPC's seem to assume that you're familiar with Earth's history.

And there was another great example where Picard seemed to have forgotten that Worf was indeed a Klingon: when he asked whether Worf knew Gilbert and Sullivan.

Regardless of faction and species (Gorn, Saurian), the Voth also tend to call any Alliance member a 'mammal'.

xyquarze · February 2018

fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »

And there was another great example where Picard seemed to have forgotten that Worf was indeed a Klingon: when he asked whether Worf knew Gilbert and Sullivan.

Given Worf's history it is not as far fetched as the assumption that Gilbert and Sullivan will still be a household name at all in the 24th century.

I am also pretty sure the OP remark wasn't directed at us.

But I would agree that some cases could improve by having more appropriate dialog. It is done in some parts (e. g. the Octanti will recognize a liberated borg during the "Alliances" mission IIRC). The most obvious one is DS9's traffic controller still talking trash to the very KDF (or KDF aligned Romulan) officer that just saved their very backside by throwing out the occupation force. My personal favorite was during "Spin the Wheel" when I actually scored a dabo, but Leeta kept insisting that it wasn't really a dabo and she just pretended. (I guess that's what everybody refers to as "factory settings")

postagepaid · February 2018

The line of koren comes during the episode where you scan a room where she'd been strapped to a table and left behind traces of blood with klingon and ferasen DNA in it. Ever since I have wondered how much of a true klink she actually is.

Does she have a ball of wool hanging from the ceiling in her ready room?

xyquarze · February 2018

Well, she is accompanied by a Ferasan officer when she sets out to explore, and he is later rescued along with her.

fleetcaptain5 · February 2018

xyquarze wrote: »

fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »

And there was another great example where Picard seemed to have forgotten that Worf was indeed a Klingon: when he asked whether Worf knew Gilbert and Sullivan.

Given Worf's history it is not as far fetched as the assumption that Gilbert and Sullivan will still be a household name at all in the 24th century.

That too indeed.

I am now reminded of Lorca's quote about John Lennon and Elon Musk. Sometimes the writers of Star Trek seem to forget it is all set hundreds of years into the future.

(And before anyone is going to claim that the Beatles will still be recognised in the 2240's or so: young people didn't even recognise McCartney because he was already 'hella old' in 2014

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/who-is-paul-mccartney )

tyler002 · February 2018

fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »

xyquarze wrote: »

fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »

And there was another great example where Picard seemed to have forgotten that Worf was indeed a Klingon: when he asked whether Worf knew Gilbert and Sullivan.

Given Worf's history it is not as far fetched as the assumption that Gilbert and Sullivan will still be a household name at all in the 24th century.

That too indeed.

I am now reminded of Lorca's quote about John Lennon and Elon Musk. Sometimes the writers of Star Trek seem to forget it is all set hundreds of years into the future.

(And before anyone is going to claim that the Beatles will still be recognised in the 2240's or so: young people didn't even recognise McCartney because he was already 'hella old' in 2014 http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/who-is-paul-mccartney )

I think people like Mozart and Shakespeare still being well known hundreds of years after their deaths in the real world proves that a mere few hundred years isn't always long enough for things to vanish entirely.

cbrjwrr · February 2018

tyler002 wrote: »

fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »

xyquarze wrote: »

fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »

And there was another great example where Picard seemed to have forgotten that Worf was indeed a Klingon: when he asked whether Worf knew Gilbert and Sullivan.

Given Worf's history it is not as far fetched as the assumption that Gilbert and Sullivan will still be a household name at all in the 24th century.

That too indeed.

I am now reminded of Lorca's quote about John Lennon and Elon Musk. Sometimes the writers of Star Trek seem to forget it is all set hundreds of years into the future.

(And before anyone is going to claim that the Beatles will still be recognised in the 2240's or so: young people didn't even recognise McCartney because he was already 'hella old' in 2014 http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/who-is-paul-mccartney )

I think people like Mozart and Shakespeare still being well known hundreds of years after their deaths in the real world proves that a mere few hundred years isn't always long enough for things to vanish entirely.

Plus, I'm fairly sure Roy Orbison's work, given it was played at the first contact of Vulcans and Humans, probably got remembered in universe for that historical value.

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Another bad example is "The Doomsday Device", where if you have a FED-Klingon, the game still makes you were a holoemitter, as opposed to just the uniform that is actually needed.

jonsills · February 2018

tyler002 wrote: »

fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »

xyquarze wrote: »

fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »

And there was another great example where Picard seemed to have forgotten that Worf was indeed a Klingon: when he asked whether Worf knew Gilbert and Sullivan.

Given Worf's history it is not as far fetched as the assumption that Gilbert and Sullivan will still be a household name at all in the 24th century.

That too indeed.

I am now reminded of Lorca's quote about John Lennon and Elon Musk. Sometimes the writers of Star Trek seem to forget it is all set hundreds of years into the future.

(And before anyone is going to claim that the Beatles will still be recognised in the 2240's or so: young people didn't even recognise McCartney because he was already 'hella old' in 2014 http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/who-is-paul-mccartney )

I think people like Mozart and Shakespeare still being well known hundreds of years after their deaths in the real world proves that a mere few hundred years isn't always long enough for things to vanish entirely.

On the other hand, there's a great line from one of Niven's Known Space stories (I think one of the Bey Schaeffer tales, from the 2600s, although I could be wrong) where a Pierson's puppeteer, whose species tends to whistle from both heads when nervous, is thinking something over. "He went off into Beethoven, or the Beatles, or something classical-sounding."

turbomagnus · February 2018

postagepaid wrote: »

The line of koren comes during the episode where you scan a room where she'd been strapped to a table and left behind traces of blood with klingon and ferasen DNA in it. Ever since I have wondered how much of a true klink she actually is.

Does she have a ball of wool hanging from the ceiling in her ready room?

No, that's "Sphere of Influence", the line I mentioned of Koren's is from "A Step Between Stars."

jonsills wrote: »

tyler002 wrote: »

fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »

xyquarze wrote: »

fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »

And there was another great example where Picard seemed to have forgotten that Worf was indeed a Klingon: when he asked whether Worf knew Gilbert and Sullivan.

Given Worf's history it is not as far fetched as the assumption that Gilbert and Sullivan will still be a household name at all in the 24th century.

That too indeed.

I am now reminded of Lorca's quote about John Lennon and Elon Musk. Sometimes the writers of Star Trek seem to forget it is all set hundreds of years into the future.

(And before anyone is going to claim that the Beatles will still be recognised in the 2240's or so: young people didn't even recognise McCartney because he was already 'hella old' in 2014 http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/who-is-paul-mccartney )

I think people like Mozart and Shakespeare still being well known hundreds of years after their deaths in the real world proves that a mere few hundred years isn't always long enough for things to vanish entirely.

On the other hand, there's a great line from one of Niven's Known Space stories (I think one of the Bey Schaeffer tales, from the 2600s, although I could be wrong) where a Pierson's puppeteer, whose species tends to whistle from both heads when nervous, is thinking something over. "He went off into Beethoven, or the Beatles, or something classical-sounding."

That's like in David Weber's 'Honorverse' stories, where the people of planet Grayson's idea of "classical" music is country-western.

ambassadorkael · February 2018

thecoffinfly wrote: »

Where he tells my character that they "fight like a Klingon" has had me paranoid he's a victim of choH'a' ever since.
:P

So this line is actually directed at the Tzenkethi Captain you're fighting. That's why he asks, "Will you die like one as well?"

I know, it's a little confusing.

redeyedraven · February 2018

ambassadorkael#6946 wrote: »

thecoffinfly wrote: »

Where he tells my character that they "fight like a Klingon" has had me paranoid he's a victim of choH'a' ever since.
:P

So this line is actually directed at the Tzenkethi Captain you're fighting. That's why he asks, "Will you die like one as well?" I know, it's a little confusing.

In many episodes there are similar lines though, and they are directed at the player. The game often magically assumes that players are from the UFP, not the KDF.

xyquarze · February 2018

redeyedraven wrote: »

ambassadorkael#6946 wrote: »

thecoffinfly wrote: »

Where he tells my character that they "fight like a Klingon" has had me paranoid he's a victim of choH'a' ever since.
:P

So this line is actually directed at the Tzenkethi Captain you're fighting. That's why he asks, "Will you die like one as well?" I know, it's a little confusing.

In many episodes there are similar lines though, and they are directed at the player. The game often magically assumes that players are from the UFP, not the KDF.

Though Klingon != KDF.

redeyedraven · February 2018

xyquarze wrote: »

redeyedraven wrote: »

ambassadorkael#6946 wrote: »

thecoffinfly wrote: »

Where he tells my character that they "fight like a Klingon" has had me paranoid he's a victim of choH'a' ever since.
:P

So this line is actually directed at the Tzenkethi Captain you're fighting. That's why he asks, "Will you die like one as well?" I know, it's a little confusing.

In many episodes there are similar lines though, and they are directed at the player. The game often magically assumes that players are from the UFP, not the KDF.

Though Klingon != KDF.

While true, the overall end-result tends to be the same...

fleetcaptain5 · February 2018

It would certainly lead to a richer Trek universe if they did that more often though, create alien cultures that are more than just an idea like 'honour', 'balance' or 'profit'.

Taking the Klingon language or their rituals, or the Vulcan's philosophy with all its symbols and signs as an example; how amazing would it be if Trek came up with an alien type of music that doesn't exist yet in the real world?

It could be the beginning of an entirely new type of music in the real world, just like people are learning the Klingon language.

saurializard · February 2018

I thought it was pretty obvious it was addressed to the Tzenkethi captain you are fighting together. Why would Martok even say that to you in this situation? I know in some occasions in any medium, you'll have the "proud warrior race" guy of the team saying something like "die well and with honor!" but it's almost always during a desperate situation where many have died already or before a mission where the heroes only have 1 chance in a million to survive. You don't say that in a battle where you clearly have the upper hand.
Heck, there is even an achievement if you manage to activate all consoles while Captain "Get away from that console, mongrel!" is still around and kicking.

soullessraptor · February 2018

> @turbomagnus said:
> thecoffinfly wrote: »
>
> Where he tells my character that they "fight like a Klingon" has had me paranoid he's a victim of choH'a' ever since.
> :P
>
>
>
>
> Yeah, there's a lot of lines like that in the game. My personal favorite was "A Step Between Stars" when Koren started talking about 'you'll see what happens when a Klingon gets angry' to my Fed-Klingon. I was like "What, are you implying that I'm not a real Klingon or something?"
>
> Or all the times anyone in First City (especially J'mpok) talks about my KDF characters' House when they're an Orion or a Gorn or such...
>
> Really do think that dialogue in the game needs to pay more attention to species/race rather than just faction, y'know?

> @turbomagnus said:
> thecoffinfly wrote: »
>
> Where he tells my character that they "fight like a Klingon" has had me paranoid he's a victim of choH'a' ever since.
> :P
>
>
>
>
> Yeah, there's a lot of lines like that in the game. My personal favorite was "A Step Between Stars" when Koren started talking about 'you'll see what happens when a Klingon gets angry' to my Fed-Klingon. I was like "What, are you implying that I'm not a real Klingon or something?"
>
> Or all the times anyone in First City (especially J'mpok) talks about my KDF characters' House when they're an Orion or a Gorn or such...
>
> Really do think that dialogue in the game needs to pay more attention to species/race rather than just faction, y'know?

First point, fairly sure that Koren (who's something of a hard-line traditionalist), sees a Federation-aligned Klingon is no true Klingon. They haven't undergone traditional training, or grown up in the "true" Klingon way, etc. So to her, you may be the same race, but you're not "Klingon".
Second point, it's possible that referring to a players "House" is used more in the way of antiquity, as a reference to clan, family, group, etc.

fleetcaptain5 · February 2018

saurializard wrote: »

I thought it was pretty obvious it was addressed to the Tzenkethi captain you are fighting together. Why would Martok even say that to you in this situation? I know in some occasions in any medium, you'll have the "proud warrior race" guy of the team saying something like "die well and with honor!" but it's almost always during a desperate situation where many have died already or before a mission where the heroes only have 1 chance in a million to survive. You don't say that in a battle where you clearly have the upper hand.
Heck, there is even an achievement if you manage to activate all consoles while Captain "Get away from that console, mongrel!" is still around and kicking.

Yeah I also think it was pretty obvious that this line was directed at the Tzenkethi ally actually. Still, the other examples given here are still relevant.

That accolade was relatively easy to obtain btw. A few Stasis field copies for one boff, Chronometric diffusion and some good timing were my succesful approach.

I guess cover shields or threat generators (aka Medical generators) could also work there.

markhawkman · February 2018

azrael605 wrote: »

How long ago was Plato? Socrates? Marcus Aurelius? King Leonitas? Vlad the Impaler?

How many of those do people know any more about than just the name?

Martok's line in the latest FE

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