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Sol System in the wrong Quadrant?
taehsong
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Isn't Sol System suppose to be in the Alpha Quadrant?
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taehsong
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1185971/tacos-sector-space-faq/p1
There is your official word on the matter.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
It's in the Alpha Quadrant. It *must* be. If for nothing else, because we named those Qudrants ourselves, with Alpha as our own Quadrant. This is quite the logical thing to do. Much like calling your home world 'Nukara Prime.' Other Nukaras may exist, but it always makes sense to name your own home world 'Prime', or 'Alpha'. And this is simply true, because *every* species, at first, are only ever aware of their own galaxy, which they then similarly give it a 'Nr. 1' type of designation.
So, as others said, short answer:
Devs know it's supposed to be in the Alpha Quadrant, but considering it's also supposed to be just at the frontier between the Alpha and Beta quadrants, they decided to choose the pragmatic option of putting Sol just at the beginning of the Beta since most early and middle-game missions from all factions happen there, so players are spared an additional loading screen for every mission.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Never said it was. Only that it makes sense to give a primary designation to your own world/space. Do you think, for instance, that a person on Vulcan woke up one day, and said "Let's call our system the Beta Quadrant."?
Exactly, the entire map is the 'Starfleet version of the Galaxy' and everyone else just has to work with that. There is no reason at all why a Vulcan or a Klingon would still call it the 'Beta Quadrant.'
The borders are simply wherever Star Fleet decides to draw them on a Star Chart. Because of the way the game works though, each quadrant has to load independently, so just go ahead and pretend that SOL is right on the line between them both.
If you're a non human, just use your imagination and call the sectors anything you want and pretend the borders are wherever makes the most sense to you. It's all just arbitrary anyway.
It's like how the whole world uses the same lines of latitude and longitude, instead of every country inventing their own.
Zactly. I'm sure the Vulcans call(ed) their neck of the woods something (not 'beta-quadrant') long before they ever joined the Federation. And I'm sure Klingons call their space somehing else too.
There's no Sol Prime, because, well, we only have our 1 solar system. Same goes for planets. No point calling something 'Richel (sp?) IV' or something, when there's no nr. 1.
Beings who understand 'Earth' doesn't mean 'dirt' here, but 'ground' or 'soil,' to separate it from the waters: "God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas" (Genesis 1:10).
I've thought that myself from time to time
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As for in-game....this has been repeatedly explained.
But if you really want to be picky, the quadrant Earth is in depends on the time of year lol.
Ultimately, as Taco once explained, a game has sometimes different rules. Map-wise it's simply easier to have Sol be in the Beta-Quadrant. And I'm totally fine with that. But the shows, yes, predominantly have Sol be in the Alpha Quadrant.
It was only in Voyager when the writers started using "Alpha quadrant" to mean "Federation space" in general that they really went off the rails.
This should be put as a new FCT. Noobs go and others come with same question. This was settled over 2 years ago and does not add anything to the original discussion just a bunch of gibberish on the subject.
Viva Taco for settling it back then
Original STO beta tester.
Here's a funny thing; all dialogues have referred to the Romulan Empire as an Alpha Quadrant Power, yet almost all of her territories are in Beta along with her twin homeworld.
And yeah were the loading screens many.
Then one day the godly power of the supreme Devs did grow.
And down came the sector divides.
But the power was great, the challenge greater.
And lo did the quadrant boundaries remain.
And with sorrow did the harbingers of the supreme Devs lament the placement of worlds not quite as they envisioned.
But some where in the future ahead.
The power will expand again.
And on that day shall the walls of quadrant fall!
And the Earth shall assume her rightful place right in the middle.
And the great and supreme Devs shall smile at their great handiwork.
And have a coffee.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
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Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
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better than calling its home 'Bob'
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It is on the border of both in the minds of the people who worked on such things, and that makes perfect sense, given that we see everything from a Federation-centric, and thus largely Human-centric point of view in the source material. You draw the major axis right through your star, the same way that the Brits drew the Prime Meridian basically right through London. It has to be somewhere, and since we're doing it, it might as well be here.
According to dialogue in DS9 Klingons, Romulans, Federation, Bajorans, Cardassians, and presumable Ferengi and Breen are all in Alpha, and yet, also according to canon, the Excelsior is cataloging anomalies in the Beta Quadrant and feels the shockwave of Praxis exploding in STVI. Seems like a contradiction, or that Praxis should have devastated for more than just Qo'noS. Also seems like there's nobody in the Beta Quadrant. Alpha Quadrant was used for everyone that we are familiar with in DS9 because it's easier than "Alpha and Beta Quadrant powers," which is a clunky mouthful of dialogue for anyone to speak, especially as often as the phrase is used there. Alpha Quadrant in Voyager as a term for home is still fine with Sol being the very definition of the border between Alpha and Beta, and also works since they were transported from the Badlands, which is firmly in the Alpha Quadrant according to any credible source.
Tacofangs said, in the thread linked in this topic, that putting it on the edge like that was "problematic." I seem to recall something that he posted with greater detail on the problems it caused at the time, but I haven't looked for it.
Or, you know, make up your own explanation.
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