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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    First time period for Hive Onslaught thanks to Endeavor.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    Well OP, you don’t like the concept of purchasing new ships in STO. Thing is it bankrolls the game, that’s why that much effort is made for those.

    Would putting episodes from free to play into the zen store be more appealing to you?
    Thanks for buying new ships. I hate it because I'm KDF and all they make fur us is trash. I refuse to buy junk I don't need so they can spend the cash on a different game cryptic owns, that makes em more money.

    If they don't make missions that keep players interest, then all they got is you- the item buying cash cow.

    enjoy your game.
    I've pulled my KDF character out of mothballs and popped her in a Pilot Raptor. That ship is most definitely NOT 'trash'.
    Mat'ha raptor: not trash, Ferasan escort: not trash, T6 gorn ships: not trash, T6 Nausicaan ship: also not trash! Heck even the science variant of the Vor'cha is a decent ship!
    That's subjective.

    Mat'ha is fine. However.... Ferasan Escort is trash...looks ugly. Gorn ship as well. And the Nausicaan ship. The KDF pilot escorts however are some of the finest looking ships in the game.
    Wanna know what REALLY looks ugly? Klingon BoPs. :p the Neghvar is probably the best looking canon ship design.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    Well OP, you don’t like the concept of purchasing new ships in STO. Thing is it bankrolls the game, that’s why that much effort is made for those.

    Would putting episodes from free to play into the zen store be more appealing to you?
    Thanks for buying new ships. I hate it because I'm KDF and all they make fur us is trash. I refuse to buy junk I don't need so they can spend the cash on a different game cryptic owns, that makes em more money.

    If they don't make missions that keep players interest, then all they got is you- the item buying cash cow.

    enjoy your game.
    I've pulled my KDF character out of mothballs and popped her in a Pilot Raptor. That ship is most definitely NOT 'trash'.
    Mat'ha raptor: not trash, Ferasan escort: not trash, T6 gorn ships: not trash, T6 Nausicaan ship: also not trash! Heck even the science variant of the Vor'cha is a decent ship!
    That's subjective.

    Mat'ha is fine. However.... Ferasan Escort is trash...looks ugly. Gorn ship as well. And the Nausicaan ship. The KDF pilot escorts however are some of the finest looking ships in the game.
    Wanna know what REALLY looks ugly? Klingon BoPs. :p the Neghvar is probably the best looking canon ship design.
    You want ugly? Okay, here you go:
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    :p
    yeah, it'd be better if the wings were thicker. :D
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  • storulesstorules Member Posts: 3,253 Arc User
    edited July 2017
    ltminns wrote: »
    First time period for Hive Onslaught thanks to Endeavor.

    Here too as well.

    The whole endeavor system is to test metrics and see if more players would log into STO so they can show their chinese bosses this game is still alive. I could care less for smaller crumbs and actually benefit much better off from the admiralty system that gives more DIL and now latinum. Who needs the endeavor system and they should really add NEW content not just being lazy with one repeated FE week after week?​​
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  • storulesstorules Member Posts: 3,253 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    storules wrote: »
    ltminns wrote: »
    First time period for Hive Onslaught thanks to Endeavor.

    Here too as well.

    The whole endeavor system is to test metrics and see if more players would log into STO so they can show their chinese bosses this game is still alive. I could care less for smaller crumbs and actually benefit much better off from the admiralty system that gives more DIL and now latinum. Who needs the endeavor system and they should really add NEW content not just being lazy with one repeated FE week after week?

    I don't entirely agree.

    If nothing else, as per the post you quoted, the Endeavour system is encouraging players to partake in missions/queues that they would have otherwise ignored. "First time playing Hive" - that's a good thing!

    With any luck this will see some of the lesser-played queues get some attention. I, personally, am hoping that 'The Vault: Ensnared" pops up on it; I enjoy that one but no-one ever PuG queues for it.

    Not sure about others and speaking only for me. The new system does not encourage me at all to take up extra missions. I mean what is the big deal of logging in for just about 5 mins and do something so petty as another PVE while I can do Admiralty or Doffing and make much better profits.​​
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,247 Community Moderator
    Because some people play to have fun not just "make profit"?
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  • welcome2earfwelcome2earf Member Posts: 1,746 Arc User
    edited July 2017
    Well, the biggest problem is *the game engine isn't that good*. It's one way, it isn't good at changing states, it just kinda sucks and the limitations of it are showing.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,354 Arc User
    Because some people play to have fun not just "make profit"?
    Having fun?? Not making a profit?? And you call yourself a Ferengi...

    (This, ah, is a Ferengi simulator, right? That's why everybody's so focused on how much they make while playing, and "fun" never enters into it?)

    Now, speaking for myself, I like to play the game because I'm an old-school Trekkie, and it's fun to pretend to fly starships around the galaxy defending the Federation/Empire/Republic/future Galacic Union. Getting new stuff along the way is a bonus.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    storules wrote: »
    ltminns wrote: »
    First time period for Hive Onslaught thanks to Endeavor.

    Here too as well.

    The whole endeavor system is to test metrics and see if more players would log into STO so they can show their chinese bosses this game is still alive. I could care less for smaller crumbs and actually benefit much better off from the admiralty system that gives more DIL and now latinum. Who needs the endeavor system and they should really add NEW content not just being lazy with one repeated FE week after week?​​

    I don't entirely agree.

    If nothing else, as per the post you quoted, the Endeavour system is encouraging players to partake in missions/queues that they would have otherwise ignored. "First time playing Hive" - that's a good thing!

    With any luck this will see some of the lesser-played queues get some attention. I, personally, am hoping that 'The Vault: Ensnared" pops up on it; I enjoy that one but no-one ever PuG queues for it.
    Yeah, it wasn't until the mission started that I realized I'd never actually played hive space before :p
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,276 Arc User
    i used to play it a lot, before the dark times...before delta rising​​
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    I always liked the ground part of Hive.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    The one thing that confused me about Hive Onslaught/(Into the Hive) was that it has an Elite Level. I thought all of these older STFs only got Advanced after Delta Rising when Elite became Advanced.
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
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    l don't know.
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  • anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    edited July 2017
    Hive was considerably newer than the other 3 Borg STFs, It dates from Season 7.
    reyan01 wrote: »
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    Well OP, you don’t like the concept of purchasing new ships in STO. Thing is it bankrolls the game, that’s why that much effort is made for those.

    Would putting episodes from free to play into the zen store be more appealing to you?
    Thanks for buying new ships. I hate it because I'm KDF and all they make fur us is trash. I refuse to buy junk I don't need so they can spend the cash on a different game cryptic owns, that makes em more money.

    If they don't make missions that keep players interest, then all they got is you- the item buying cash cow.

    enjoy your game.
    I've pulled my KDF character out of mothballs and popped her in a Pilot Raptor. That ship is most definitely NOT 'trash'.
    Mat'ha raptor: not trash, Ferasan escort: not trash, T6 gorn ships: not trash, T6 Nausicaan ship: also not trash! Heck even the science variant of the Vor'cha is a decent ship!
    That's subjective.

    Mat'ha is fine. However.... Ferasan Escort is trash...looks ugly. Gorn ship as well. And the Nausicaan ship. The KDF pilot escorts however are some of the finest looking ships in the game.
    Wanna know what REALLY looks ugly? Klingon BoPs. :p the Neghvar is probably the best looking canon ship design.

    You want ugly? Okay, here you go:
    bcbca466b9926fc42eceb3b3e0be6ad01423525373.png
    :p

    You know, I actually used that model on a Klinzhai as a main ship for one of my characters for at least a year. It doesn't look as bad in motion as it does in stills. From behind, it kind of looks like a Goa'uld ship.
    This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,659 Arc User
    Because some people play to have fun not just "make profit"?

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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    nabreeki wrote: »
    Profit is fun. It's weird to be that players who "just want to have fun" seem to complain -- some more passive-aggressive than others -- about those who enjoy making profit. It's all in good fun! Some of us just have more toys to play with.

    i play for fun im not space rich dirt poor tbh and why? when i gets EC is spend it...ik ik ive got a exchange shopping addiction OH THE HUMANITY!! lol
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,354 Arc User
    Sure, Breeks, profit is fun - but when the only reason one plays is to "profit", and it's not worth playing otherwise, I have to wonder if one has somehow forgotten the meaning of "play"...
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  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited July 2017
    azrael605 wrote: »
    Incorrect. I played Hive Onslaught for the first time in years thanks to the Endeavor system.

    I submit if your that bored the problem is you.

    Agreed, that was one awesome quest for us to do. I also got quite a good reward for it.

    I even played that map three times that day in order to help my friends and fleet mates to get that endeavor done. I picked all three difficulties which are like day and night by the way.

    One thing is for sure, everybody who wants to play can play as far as the game is concerned.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    edited July 2017
    azrael605 wrote: »
    Incorrect. I played Hive Onslaught for the first time in years thanks to the Endeavor system.

    I submit if your that bored the problem is you.

    Agreed, that was one awesome quest for us to do. I also got quite a good reward for it.

    I even played that map three times that day in order to help my friends and fleet mates to get that endeavor done. I picked all three difficulties which are like day and night by the way.

    One thing is for sure, everybody who wants to play can play as far as the game is concerned.

    True, it definitely worked for that.

    I had actually never done that queue before and did it for the first time just because of the Endeavor. Aside from the run I did with you, I did a couple more as well because people in the fleet were running it all day for people that needed the Endeavor reward. I took a look a few times at the public queue as well and Hive was one of the busiest queues during the Endeavor period.

    As far as motivating people to try new content, it works.
    Because some people play to have fun not just "make profit"?

    And the majority play for a combination of both. Content that is fun and rewarding will always be popular. MMO's are built on the concept of putting in time and playing daily to 'get better.'

    Rewards are a basic part of any system designed to motivate players to do content.
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  • connormckeith#7288 connormckeith Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    > @dderidexwarbird said:
    > I have to admit I have played this game since release, after months of one mission every month. I have completely lost interest in Star Trek: Online. Every mission is the same.
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    > Space/Ground/Space etc.
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    > and its always nice window dressing but absolutely no substance. This just does not feel like an MMO for me. There is no open world feel and the community and PvE queues seem repetitive and hardly existent.
    >

    For True boredom , try EVE online.

    Imagine making a charactar , and never using it. No away teams, no costumes. There was a captains quarters where he could sit around and do nothing, but only 3% of the player base used it, so they're removing it.

    Imagine combat on auto pilot. Target enemy. Press the weapons button, stand back and watch.

    A yawnfest if there ever was one.
  • jodarkriderjodarkrider Member Posts: 2,097 Arc User
    Everyone (I think!) loves having fun. It's just that the definition of having fun differs from person to person. And no fun, as long as it doesn't harms others, is wrong. :smile:
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  • jodarkriderjodarkrider Member Posts: 2,097 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    Everyone (I think!) loves having fun. It's just that the definition of having fun differs from person to person. And no fun, as long as it doesn't harms others, is wrong. :smile:

    It's a nice notion...too bad the world doesn't want to agree with you. From the religious right who tells you that sex is evil to the for your own good left who tells you that you can't drink soda, the notion of do what you like as long you hurt nobody else is LONG gone. And even in this game, we have people who tell DPSers to stay out of queues because it ruins their fun and DPSers telling casuals to stay out of their queues because it ruins their fun...and let's not forget the REAL PvP of this game, the exchange and what vitriol that brings up from people without any EC complaining that people should sell stuff to them for less than what the market is willing to pay because if they can't afford whatever it is they want, it's not fair. As sad as it is, that notion, in this game and even in the real world is long gone.
    I can't control what others do and don't do. So - I just do what I think is the best. That's we all can do, really, and it comes down to each individual, as to how they decide to act and treat others. :3
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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,913 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    Everyone (I think!) loves having fun. It's just that the definition of having fun differs from person to person. And no fun, as long as it doesn't harms others, is wrong. :smile:

    It's a nice notion...too bad the world doesn't want to agree with you. From the religious right who tells you that sex is evil to the for your own good left who tells you that you can't drink soda, the notion of do what you like as long you hurt nobody else is LONG gone. And even in this game, we have people who tell DPSers to stay out of queues because it ruins their fun and DPSers telling casuals to stay out of their queues because it ruins their fun...and let's not forget the REAL PvP of this game, the exchange and what vitriol that brings up from people without any EC complaining that people should sell stuff to them for less than what the market is willing to pay because if they can't afford whatever it is they want, it's not fair. As sad as it is, that notion, in this game and even in the real world is long gone.
    I can't control what others do and don't do. So - I just do what I think is the best. That's we all can do, really, and it comes down to each individual, as to how they decide to act and treat others. :3

    This is so true. We are all responsible only for what we do, not for the actions of others.

    If something ceases to be fun, I cease to play it.

    STO has never been boring or uninspiring to me.
    Now a LTS and loving it.
    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
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