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zantetzouzantetzou Member Posts: 3 Arc User
The current set of "heavy cruiser" are basically just normal cruisers.
Can we get a line of ACTUAL heavy cruisers. the typhoon would be a perfect ship for this new class of tactical orientated battlecruisers.
If not can we at least get the typhoon as a cruiser of its own, its been long sought after and it would be well received.

edit: i mean this version of the typhoon latest?cb=20120616185021
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,577 Community Moderator
    TECHNICALLY... the Typhoon's playable already... in the form of the Command Battlecruisers. If you look at the style, it is clear the Typhoon was the inspiration. Quad nacelles set in a traditional dual nacelle configuration, large saucer, integrated secondary hull.

    I'm sure its possible to kitbash the thing to look even more like the older Typhoon, just with a better model. Pick a rounder saucer, upswept pylons, then pick and choose your secondary hull and nacelles.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    Resolute Class?? Or don't you want your Heavy Crusier to be 'Advanced'? ;)
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,886 Arc User
    Because the Galaxy, Oddy, and Guardian are such nimble and light Cruisers! >.<
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  • zantetzouzantetzou Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    Resolute Class?? Or don't you want your Heavy Crusier to be 'Advanced'? ;)

    to be honest, i just want a reason to add the typhoon model so i can use it
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  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    I would not mind just seeing the existing heavy cruiser we have updated, as well as upgraded to tier six. I mean we have seen the light cruiser bundle just announced, and so it would make sense that sometime we might see a update to the heavy cruiser as well. Also I think the heavy cruiser looks quite different from most of the other cruisers, and would actually be an interesting ship to fly, while also keeping a still distinct federation vibe to the ship style. Also when I said heavy cruiser I mean the below heavy cruiser of the Cheyenne/Dakota/Stargazer verities, which do have some similarities to the command battle-cruisers.

    Cheyenne
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    Dakota
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    Stargazer
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    I just looked it up on STOWiki. It almost seems like they are trying to retroactively remove the Typhoon Class from existence. I have to agree, in my eyes, it was, when it existed, ugly.

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,577 Community Moderator
    I never did understand the appeal of that ship. Compared to what we have now... its kinda... blocky.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • postinggumpostinggum Member Posts: 1,117 Arc User
    Just how slow and huge should these things be?
  • potasssiumpotasssium Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    I would really love an upgraded stargazer, constellation, Cheyenne, Dakota, at some point.

    Using the T5 MU on my AoY until Thursday when I pick up the new light cruiser, but I would really like for her to have both the light cruiser and heavy cruiser.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    We need a T6 Light Escort Cross-faction Bundle too. Aquarius needs some lovin' too.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    Wasn't the T6 Constitution a 'Light Crusier' too?
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    TECHNICALLY... the Typhoon's playable already... in the form of the Command Battlecruisers. If you look at the style, it is clear the Typhoon was the inspiration. Quad nacelles set in a traditional dual nacelle configuration, large saucer, integrated secondary hull.

    I'm sure its possible to kitbash the thing to look even more like the older Typhoon, just with a better model. Pick a rounder saucer, upswept pylons, then pick and choose your secondary hull and nacelles.

    this ^^
    but cryptic could add the typhoon as a skin for the command class
  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    Wow!, a Typhoon tread!, that's sooo 2016 you know? (and 2015 to 2012)... anyway, its ugly and i would not buy one, wont touch it with a 10 feet pole.. its kinda like this:

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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,005 Arc User
    I would have loved to see all original launch skins get transferred to Mirror Starfleet (players can keep them of course) and NPC starfleet gets upgraded to refits/T6 and then when the MU event is on it's two eras fighting each other pig-2.gif​​
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    rattler2 wrote: »
    TECHNICALLY... the Typhoon's playable already... in the form of the Command Battlecruisers. If you look at the style, it is clear the Typhoon was the inspiration. Quad nacelles set in a traditional dual nacelle configuration, large saucer, integrated secondary hull.

    I'm sure its possible to kitbash the thing to look even more like the older Typhoon, just with a better model. Pick a rounder saucer, upswept pylons, then pick and choose your secondary hull and nacelles.

    Technically not even in the slightest. The Command Cruisers are Excelsior inspired. They share one thing alone with the Typhoon, the number of nacelles. Their built up deflectors, steeped hull, distinct necks and saucers and pylon configuration are all excelsior not Typhoon. It is impossible to get anything even close to the Typhoon using any parts of the Command Cruisers.

    The Assault Cruisers are as close as we can get to their shape (obviously as it uses parts from the Noble).​​
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    I'm sure Sovereign, Galaxy, Galaxy-X, Eclipse, Guardian, Vengeance, Command Cruisers aren't Light Cruisers at all.
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  • brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,219 Arc User
    I happen to like the old Typhoon model. Sure, it was graphically challenged, but so was TOS Enterprise.

    I also liked the USS Titanic... err, Jupiter. It was awesome, partly because it was so massively ugly. Sort of like bulldogs can be so ugly they become cute.

    In both cases Cryptic opted to retcon the old designs away rather than give them updated skin textures. In my opinion they could have had both old and new designs side by side in game. There was no additional work required to keep the old ones and it would have required no additional work on the new ones to bring them online with the old ones. But I wasn't given a vote, and would probably have been outvoted anyway.
  • ightenighten Member Posts: 181 Arc User
    Just give us an excelsior thats t6 with a white skin and a little more love into the modelling
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  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    There is one issue I see with the op for the most part, which is they are using both the terms of a "heavy cruiser" an of a "battle-cruiser" which pertains to two separate classes of ships. Though the Typhoon I could see as a heavy variant of the battle-cruiser class of ships, much like we have so many sub-variants of the cruiser class ranging from the light cruisers to the heavy an even the support an exploration variants as well.
  • tousseautousseau Member Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    [quote="potasssium;c-13211787"]I would really love an upgraded stargazer, constellation, Cheyenne, Dakota, at some point.

    Using the T5 MU on my AoY until Thursday when I pick up the new light cruiser, but I would really like for her to have both the light cruiser and heavy cruiser.[/quote]

    ^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^
  • hanover2hanover2 Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    Ah, the good old Typhoon model. I would totally fly that ship on at least one toon.
  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    Wasn't the T6 Constitution a 'Light Crusier' too?
    The Constitution Class is a Heavy Cruiser by Star Trek canon.
  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    T6 Vor'cha.

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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    zantetzou wrote: »
    the typhoon would be a perfect ship for this new class of tactical orientated battlecruisers.

    The Typhoon doesn't exist any more. It was retconned out.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    Not by STO 'canon'. There is no T6 Constitution in Star Trek canon either.

    We have to go by what Cryptic is providing and labeling ships in-game even if completely out-of-wack.

    These new ships are Advanced Light Crusiers or Advanced Light Battlecrusiers. Why a 'Light' Crusier would have the same number of weapons as a Crusier, Heavy Crusier, or Battlecrusier, I don't know. Why a 'Light' Battlecrusier would have less Inertia than a regular Battlecrusier, clueless. Why a supposed 'Light' Crusier would want to Attract Fire with generally less Hull (but not by much), who can say.

    We are stuck with Cryptic's classification.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,577 Community Moderator
    T5 and T6 cruisers typically have 4/4 weapons.
    Also its a cruiser with PILOT seating.
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  • steaensteaen Member Posts: 646 Arc User
    > @ltminns said:
    > Not by STO 'canon'. There is no T6 Constitution in Star Trek canon either.
    >
    > We have to go by what Cryptic is providing and labeling ships in-game even if completely out-of-wack.
    >
    > These new ships are Advanced Light Crusiers or Advanced Light Battlecrusiers. Why a 'Light' Crusier would have the same number of weapons as a Crusier, Heavy Crusier, or Battlecrusier, I don't know. Why a 'Light' Battlecrusier would have less Inertia than a regular Battlecrusier, clueless. Why a supposed 'Light' Crusier would want to Attract Fire with generally less Hull (but not by much), who can say.
    >
    > We are stuck with Cryptic's classification.

    According to Cryptic's classification the prime Connie is a (Temporal) Light Cruiser, and the Kelvin Connie is a Heavy (Command) Cruiser.
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