Kudos for finally giving us one thou. Next Sabre/Steamrunner/Nova/Ambassador and a "T6 VOR'CHA"
last one is probability less than zero of happening.
Actually... I CAN see a T6 Vor'cha at some point. KDF could use more Engie oriented ships. They just need to come up with equivalent Fed and Romulan ships to bundle it. Give it time.
No not joking which brings me to this question for you. How much cash did you pay for the keys to get your T-6 Connie? Unless you were very very lucky I dare say it was a lot more the 30 bucks for the keys. Which validates my point more key sales means revenue into the game even if you bought the keys off the exchange or the ship off the exchange someone paid money for those keys in the first place which in turn means money was put into the game.
I don't mind that they put the Miranda as a C-Store shipi really don't I just wish they gave the same love to the Excelsior's one of my Favorite Type of ship 3rd on my list.
They did there is a T-6 version the Resolute that can use the skins. I fly one on one of my Fed Eng toons.
No not joking which brings me to this question for you. How much cash did you pay for the keys to get your T-6 Connie? Unless you were very very lucky I dare say it was a lot more the 30 bucks for the keys. Which validates my point more key sales means revenue into the game even if you bought the keys off the exchange or the ship off the exchange someone paid money for those keys in the first place which in turn means money was put into the game.
I get your point, and true, perhaps they could put it in a lockbox or R&D and get a lot of money, but i think alternancy is the key here, some to LB, some to R&D, and some to C-store, so everyone can get an oportunity, i got my t6 Connie on the second box i opened, but that was plain luck!, i'm very happy that everyone can buy a nice ship from the c-store.
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Well... the Excelsior was the only ship I can think of that didn't get a remodel of the base model when the T6 was made. Every other lower tier ship that got a T6 variant has had a remodel to make it more canon looking and improve the model.
I don't mind that they put the Miranda as a C-Store shipi really don't I just wish they gave the same love to the Excelsior's one of my Favorite Type of ship 3rd on my list.
They did there is a T-6 version the Resolute that can use the skins. I fly one on one of my Fed Eng toons.
I meant skin and window wise not ship wise I also have the Resolute one and I hate the way it looks expecially the nacells don't look right at all.
If you have the Excelsior the T-6 Resolute can use the skins pylons and so on which is exactly what I said. I thought I was clear with that.
To be honest really only thing I don't like about C Store ships. Is the fact they don't give you ship slots when you buy them. It is like selling you a beer , but well you gotta pay extra for the can. Only game close to this game is MWO they give you mech bays with every mech purchase, only time you have to pay for one is if you buy a mech with in game currency.
There is a gigantic difference between the Miranda getting an update and The constitution class, that being that the Miranda class is still in service, look at the Dyson sphere and the reinforcements in the battle zone if I recall correctly.
It was a great oversight that there wasn't at least a 200,000 fleet credit T5 version, T5 MU version, or a Fleet Retrofit that could be updated to T5u.
Like the Excelsior (Advanced Cruiser), and Heavy Cruiser (Constellation, Stargazer, Dakota, Cheyenne) this ship is still in service.
And as someone who absolutely adores the Ambassador class, and upgraded white cruiser makes more sense canonically, given how few Ambassador class cruisers we're actually built.
But then in Canon, how many Galaxy class ships were built.
Between the two white battle cruiser crossed faction three pack and the Allied races escort three pack, I really need fleet modules to go on sale.
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I feel like this is a thread created just to complain that it's unfair. I find it funny that OP made a post about shoving things in a lockbox/ R&D box in past claiming that Cryptic is losing out on sales and yet he wants the Miranda's put in luck box claiming it would make them more money. Kinda selfish in my opinion that one would think that the new ships should be put in a lockbox promo just because he didn't like the fact the TOS connie was a promo.
Again someone has missed why I posted this thread. It has nothing to do with me but rather cash flow into the game. Case in point: With C-store ships be it a bundle or single ship sale they become an account wide unlock. With me so far? Say you have ten charecters you buy 3000 Zen for 30 bucks and get the C-store ship and wow it's unlocked for you entire spread of ten charecters wheee goodie! So compare that to say the NX-refit that is lobi. Okay you unlock boxes and get enough lobi call it 60 bucks for sake of this comment. Wow Cryptic has doubled it's income from that C-store ship just on one charecter alone. Oh wait you notice it is charecter locked not account unlocked oh wow you want it on your other nine charecters. Well you go and buy 540 dollars worth of keys for enough lobi via the lockboxs to do that. So wow Cryptic has made 18 times the revenue for doing a lobi release over the C-store release. Or another way of creating more revenue would be to make the C-store purchase unlockable only by one charecter they already have this for items drydock slots and so on. So for ten charecters that would be 300 dollars total revenue comapred to just 30 dollars for all ten charecters. That's my point Cryptic could make a lot more revenue to keep the lights on and pay for new content this way. That is the ENTIRE point of my post revenue into the company so they can keep this game growing. You are reading things into it that are not there.
I think Ive said that on one of your posts before. I'm inferring things based on your previous posts and threads about this sort of thing. Another thing is Ive never seen anyone on the forums or Reddit ask for something to be put in a promo box.
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There is a gigantic difference between the Miranda getting an update and The constitution class, that being that the Miranda class is still in service, look at the Dyson sphere and the reinforcements in the battle zone if I recall correctly.
It was a great oversight that there wasn't at least a 200,000 fleet credit T5 version, T5 MU version, or a Fleet Retrofit that could be updated to T5u.
Like the Excelsior (Advanced Cruiser), and Heavy Cruiser (Constellation, Stargazer, Dakota, Cheyenne) this ship is still in service.
And as someone who absolutely adores the Ambassador class, and upgraded white cruiser makes more sense canonically, given how few Ambassador class cruisers we're actually built.
But then in Canon, how many Galaxy class ships were built.
Between the two white battle cruiser crossed faction three pack and the Allied races escort three pack, I really need fleet modules to go on sale.
You'd still be seeing them for many decades, just like the Miranda and for the exact same reasons that design still can be seen right up through the Dominion War and later still.
Not if Excelsior class starships were a 1:1 replacement and the timescale is 80+ years. Excelsiors and Miranda's you can justify in 24/25c on the "B-52" principle: a utilitarian workhorse does its job so optimally that it isn't necessarily a benefit to move the technology along. But that doesn't mean that every design has equal right to longevity (see. the U.S. B-50). It depends on the design and the demands its put to.
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Some people ask for a T6 Connie. Cryptic releases the T6 Kelvin Connie in a lockbox. People complain about it.
Some people ask for a T6 TOS Connie. Cryptic releases it in a Promo pack. People complain about it.
Some people ask for a T6 NX. Cryptic releases it in a lobi store pack. People complain about it.
Some people ask for a T6 Miranda. Cryptic releases it in the C-Store. People complain about it.
Tune in, next time: Some people ask for a T6 Nova. Cryptic releases it for free. People complain about it.
Some people are just never happy either way
As for me
1 : Got the kelvin intel dread and love it , would like the KT connie but im a space hobo panhandling at ESD lol
2 : I will never get the TOS connie but im happy cryptic finally was able to put in the game in one fashion or the other
3 : Maybe someday i will grind for it but not a huge fan of the NX but glad its in game non the less
4 : I might buy this one ive always had a special place in my sci fi heart for the miranda glad theres gonna be a T6 it long over due
5 : Now for the complaint : WHERES MY T6 Insert ship name here ---> |___________| lol
The only logical reason for T6 Miranda being a C-Store ship is that they don't expect the level of demand for it as the T6 TOS Connie. It IS that plain and simple.
You have that a bit backwards.
The only reason why the T6 Kelvin Connie was a lockbox ship is because CBS doesn't want certain ships, such as alien ships, some future ships, and alt unvierse ships, to be super common. Hence the lockbox.
The only reason why the T6 TOS Connie was a R&D promo ship was because CBS REALLY didn't want that to be a common ship, and because it was supposed to be an "older" ship, and thus not that powerful.
Miranda being T-6 and a C-store ship is because its neither that iconic, nor is it that out of date. Mirandas were still being used frequently during the Dominion War, whereas the Connie had been retired ages ago.
No actually I don't have it backwards. The comment was aimed as to why it's not in a Lockbox considering the TOS Connie was.
I'm no fan of them releasing the TOS/TMP revamps because of my head-canon. Whilst the Miranda's innards are easier to re-jig, the Connie's wouldn't, but neither of those ships should have the DPS potential of ships 4 times their size. There's an awful lot of lack of engineering and 'physics' common sense in this game compared to the canon.
People are literally flying around in Undine bioships and the Enterprise-J, and you're worried about plausibility? When it comes to ships, the game jumped the shark on common sense long ago.
I say bring on the T6 revamps at this point. The more the merrier. But keep them in the C-store, so we can use them on multiple characters. I don't care how good or pretty that new NX is, I'd never spend $50 on something that's going to disappear forever once I get bored of my current alt.
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A T6 Miranda wouldn't warrant enough demand to put it into a promo box, Lock Box or the Lobi Store. Go ahead and recount how many times over the years you've seen players tripping over themselves while begging, PLEADING for an endgame constitution. They practically asked for it to be in a promo box. Now compare that to how many times you've seen a thread asking for an endgame Miranda and you'll realize why the Miranda is in the C-Store.
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You'd still be seeing them for many decades, just like the Miranda and for the exact same reasons that design still can be seen right up through the Dominion War and later still.
Not if Excelsior class starships were a 1:1 replacement and the timescale is 80+ years. Excelsiors and Miranda's you can justify in 24/25c on the "B-52" principle: a utilitarian workhorse does its job so optimally that it isn't necessarily a benefit to move the technology along. But that doesn't mean that every design has equal right to longevity (see. the U.S. B-50). It depends on the design and the demands its put to.
it should also be noted that the role the Excelciors and Mirandas play seems to have changed overtime, during the movie era the Mirandas did thruly serve the cruiser role from what little we saw of them, while in DS9 or STO they seem to serve the frigate role escorting the real heavy hitters of the fleet (like GCS in DS9).
Same with the Excelcior during the movie era it was the "next big thing" and pretty much the strongest craft they had avaible, while is DS9 and STO it's the work force of the fleet being pretty a light to medium cruiser as far as it's fleet role is conserned.
Also it wouldn't surprice me if during the klingon war Starfleet and KDF pulled what ever half finnished prototypes or museum peices they could find into service to free ships for the front lines, kind of like the "frankenstein fleet" from DS9, after all you don't need a top of the line starship to patrol trade routes against pirates or look for smuggglers since the chances that those have little more then lightly armed transport or similar is not high.
Wow, some people can really complain about anything. One might think people are happy that it's not a promogamble ship, so they wouldn't have to sell their grandparents to get T6 Miranda, but then a thread like this pops up...
This game has been going for a few years... I think Cryptic has a good idea how to maintain its cash flow. If they deem it appropriate to release this ship in the C-Store, they probably figure that this is overall the best bet.
Oh wait you notice it is charecter locked not account unlocked oh wow you want it on your other nine charecters. Well you go and buy 540 dollars worth of keys for enough lobi via the lockboxs to do that. So wow Cryptic has made 18 times the revenue for doing a lobi release over the C-store release.
Talk about an unlikely scenario.
With a cross-faction pack, Crytic at least gets all the players that buy the pack even though they mostly want one ship in the pack, but figure that they might get a use of it for their other faction alts.
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Kudos for finally giving us one thou. Next Sabre/Steamrunner/Nova/Ambassador and a "T6 VOR'CHA"
last one is probability less than zero of happening.
Actually... I CAN see a T6 Vor'cha at some point. KDF could use more Engie oriented ships. They just need to come up with equivalent Fed and Romulan ships to bundle it. Give it time.
if they decide to fill that gap, it won't be with a Vor'cha or a design based on the Fleet Vor'cha, it'll be with something wholly new and cryptic-made, released as a three-pack, or they'll do something wholly new and cryptic-made that's cross-faction, either way it will be slower than whatever is released with it, likely with some combination of the following:
inferior shielding
inferior seating
inferior turn-rate
impractical layout (similar to, say, the Bortasque having provisions for dual cannons but no ability to make actual use of them.)
We're more likely to see a Borg Unimatrix Hangar-pet for the Jupiter, than a Tier Six Vor'cha.
I guess you are really hard-wired by now to assume the worst, right?
They gave us a Klingon Science Vessel, they gave us Gorn Multi-Mission Science Vessels, they gave Bird of Preys Heavy Weapon slots, but you can't still believe for a moment that there will be a Vor'Cha eventually?
I bet with you that we'll get a new Vor'Cha variant within a year.
So yeah it's kinda cool the Miranda's getting a T-6 version. Not crazy about it but hey I understand the devotion some have to it. That said...
Folks have been asking for it for a very long time and now the wishes of the masses has been granted and t's a C-store purchase. I feel the T-6 Miranda should have been released in the same fashion as the TOS T-6 ships. Why? Cash flow for Cryptic. Given that the Reliant is kind of iconic maybe not as much as the rest of the TOS era ships it is still iconic. On top of that seeing that the 35th anniversary of TWOK is coming up it should have been a special very limited time release in a extremely low probability lockbox just like the TOS ships were for the 50th anniversary of Star Trek. I think Cryptic would make a heck of a lot more money via key sales doing it that way.
Translation: "Miranda fans got their ship in the C-Store and I didn't, I'm so jealous."
So yeah it's kinda cool the Miranda's getting a T-6 version. Not crazy about it but hey I understand the devotion some have to it. That said...
Folks have been asking for it for a very long time and now the wishes of the masses has been granted and t's a C-store purchase. I feel the T-6 Miranda should have been released in the same fashion as the TOS T-6 ships. Why? Cash flow for Cryptic. Given that the Reliant is kind of iconic maybe not as much as the rest of the TOS era ships it is still iconic. On top of that seeing that the 35th anniversary of TWOK is coming up it should have been a special very limited time release in a extremely low probability lockbox just like the TOS ships were for the 50th anniversary of Star Trek. I think Cryptic would make a heck of a lot more money via key sales doing it that way.
Translation: "Miranda fans got their ship in the C-Store and I didn't, I'm so jealous."
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I like the Miranda, but as I said in the other post, wasn't begging for a T6 version. I'm happy those that did got what they wanted. I may even be tempted to buy the pack (after I save up enough for the Temporal Pack)
But I'm always like that. Always getting the new shinies much later than everyone else. And I like it that way. It gives me a chance to see the ships in action before purchasing/deciding not to purchase.
Then again, I also have a friend who's bought me one ship I was always wishing for but couldn't get (Wells). She gave it to me for Christmas.
And a Paradox yesterday for a late Mother's Day (so I took it as). That one became my AoY's flagship and one I'm going to bust a hump putting the best stuff I can get hold of on it. That friend is near and dear to my heart, even though I've never met her in person (the big pond separates us). Which is why whenever she does something like this for me I always name the ships after her in some way.
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Actually... I CAN see a T6 Vor'cha at some point. KDF could use more Engie oriented ships. They just need to come up with equivalent Fed and Romulan ships to bundle it. Give it time.
No not joking which brings me to this question for you. How much cash did you pay for the keys to get your T-6 Connie? Unless you were very very lucky I dare say it was a lot more the 30 bucks for the keys. Which validates my point more key sales means revenue into the game even if you bought the keys off the exchange or the ship off the exchange someone paid money for those keys in the first place which in turn means money was put into the game.
They did there is a T-6 version the Resolute that can use the skins. I fly one on one of my Fed Eng toons.
I get your point, and true, perhaps they could put it in a lockbox or R&D and get a lot of money, but i think alternancy is the key here, some to LB, some to R&D, and some to C-store, so everyone can get an oportunity, i got my t6 Connie on the second box i opened, but that was plain luck!, i'm very happy that everyone can buy a nice ship from the c-store.
If you have the Excelsior the T-6 Resolute can use the skins pylons and so on which is exactly what I said. I thought I was clear with that.
It was a great oversight that there wasn't at least a 200,000 fleet credit T5 version, T5 MU version, or a Fleet Retrofit that could be updated to T5u.
Like the Excelsior (Advanced Cruiser), and Heavy Cruiser (Constellation, Stargazer, Dakota, Cheyenne) this ship is still in service.
And as someone who absolutely adores the Ambassador class, and upgraded white cruiser makes more sense canonically, given how few Ambassador class cruisers we're actually built.
But then in Canon, how many Galaxy class ships were built.
Between the two white battle cruiser crossed faction three pack and the Allied races escort three pack, I really need fleet modules to go on sale.
I think Ive said that on one of your posts before. I'm inferring things based on your previous posts and threads about this sort of thing. Another thing is Ive never seen anyone on the forums or Reddit ask for something to be put in a promo box.
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Not if Excelsior class starships were a 1:1 replacement and the timescale is 80+ years. Excelsiors and Miranda's you can justify in 24/25c on the "B-52" principle: a utilitarian workhorse does its job so optimally that it isn't necessarily a benefit to move the technology along. But that doesn't mean that every design has equal right to longevity (see. the U.S. B-50). It depends on the design and the demands its put to.
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As for me
1 : Got the kelvin intel dread and love it , would like the KT connie but im a space hobo panhandling at ESD lol
2 : I will never get the TOS connie but im happy cryptic finally was able to put in the game in one fashion or the other
3 : Maybe someday i will grind for it but not a huge fan of the NX but glad its in game non the less
4 : I might buy this one ive always had a special place in my sci fi heart for the miranda glad theres gonna be a T6 it long over due
5 : Now for the complaint : WHERES MY T6 Insert ship name here ---> |___________| lol
People are literally flying around in Undine bioships and the Enterprise-J, and you're worried about plausibility? When it comes to ships, the game jumped the shark on common sense long ago.
I say bring on the T6 revamps at this point. The more the merrier. But keep them in the C-store, so we can use them on multiple characters. I don't care how good or pretty that new NX is, I'd never spend $50 on something that's going to disappear forever once I get bored of my current alt.
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Same with the Excelcior during the movie era it was the "next big thing" and pretty much the strongest craft they had avaible, while is DS9 and STO it's the work force of the fleet being pretty a light to medium cruiser as far as it's fleet role is conserned.
Also it wouldn't surprice me if during the klingon war Starfleet and KDF pulled what ever half finnished prototypes or museum peices they could find into service to free ships for the front lines, kind of like the "frankenstein fleet" from DS9, after all you don't need a top of the line starship to patrol trade routes against pirates or look for smuggglers since the chances that those have little more then lightly armed transport or similar is not high.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised either if that would be the case.
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Talk about an unlikely scenario.
With a cross-faction pack, Crytic at least gets all the players that buy the pack even though they mostly want one ship in the pack, but figure that they might get a use of it for their other faction alts.
I guess you are really hard-wired by now to assume the worst, right?
They gave us a Klingon Science Vessel, they gave us Gorn Multi-Mission Science Vessels, they gave Bird of Preys Heavy Weapon slots, but you can't still believe for a moment that there will be a Vor'Cha eventually?
I bet with you that we'll get a new Vor'Cha variant within a year.
@ambassadorkael#6946, please convince Cryptic to let me win this bet.
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I like the Miranda, but as I said in the other post, wasn't begging for a T6 version. I'm happy those that did got what they wanted. I may even be tempted to buy the pack (after I save up enough for the Temporal Pack)
But I'm always like that. Always getting the new shinies much later than everyone else. And I like it that way. It gives me a chance to see the ships in action before purchasing/deciding not to purchase.
Then again, I also have a friend who's bought me one ship I was always wishing for but couldn't get (Wells). She gave it to me for Christmas.
And a Paradox yesterday for a late Mother's Day (so I took it as). That one became my AoY's flagship and one I'm going to bust a hump putting the best stuff I can get hold of on it. That friend is near and dear to my heart, even though I've never met her in person (the big pond separates us). Which is why whenever she does something like this for me I always name the ships after her in some way.