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RIP Risa nights

frtoasterfrtoaster Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
in Star Trek Online General Discussion
The day/night cycles are permanently gone from Risa and Bajor, and apparently it's working as intended. Today, I learned that Tacofangs revealed this information on Twitter back in October 2016.

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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    Well another reason to avoid risa and nuke bajor
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,689 Community Moderator
    I don't buy it. It sounds like a bug to me. The day/night cycle actually added something to the maps.
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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    I don't buy it. It sounds like a bug to me. The day/night cycle actually added something to the maps.

    This is cryptic were talking about "if it isnt broke they will break it wont fix it and say its working as intended " lol
  • alexraptorralexraptorr Member Posts: 1,192 Arc User
    Its a serious design flaw in the new lighting system.
    Leave it to Cryptic to develop a new lighting system that is in ways inferior to the old one.
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  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,576 Arc User
    Huh, wonder how this'll effect the fireworks accolade. (And doesn't Pavel ask you to meet him at night? Or am I thinking of something different....)
  • frtoasterfrtoaster Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    I don't buy it. It sounds like a bug to me. The day/night cycle actually added something to the maps.

    What exactly don't you buy? Do you think I just made up what Tacofangs said?




    I thought it was a bug too. I reported it as a bug on November 15, 2016.

    Holodeck ticket 4,171,546: The day/night cycle on Risa is broken

    How was I supposed to know that Tacofangs said on Twitter that it's working as intended.
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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    Oh. Well, TRIBBLE. The day/night cycle was a fairly crucial part of the ambiance. That's gonna be sorely missed...

    Here's hoping they can figure something else out in the future.
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  • frtoasterfrtoaster Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    kiralyn wrote: »
    Huh, wonder how this'll effect the fireworks accolade. (And doesn't Pavel ask you to meet him at night? Or am I thinking of something different....)

    I have no idea how they intend to handle the accolades. Your guess is as good as mine.
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  • jiralinriajiralinria Member Posts: 108 Arc User
    Meh :'( I really liked that about those maps... hope they'll find a way to bring it back.
  • velquavelqua Member Posts: 1,220 Arc User
    Why not just make 2 maps available for Risa: day and night? For those who want the night map, they can enter that map. Those who want the day can enter the day map. As for Bajor, I would suggest the same thing, but I doubt that map is use all that much. It is kind of sad.
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  • jade1280jade1280 Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    Did someone say nuke Bajor?!


    Becuase there is no reason to go there ever again.
  • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,414 Arc User
    Can devs just auto-disable Lighting 2.0 for Risa and Bajor and keep it as it was before?

    Or give us separate instances with original lighting so the day/night cycle works?
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  • frtoasterfrtoaster Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    velqua wrote: »
    Why not just make 2 maps available for Risa: day and night? For those who want the night map, they can enter that map. Those who want the day can enter the day map. As for Bajor, I would suggest the same thing, but I doubt that map is use all that much. It is kind of sad.

    Someone on reddit suggested the same thing:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/635zjx/lighting_20_issue_fed_starbase_bar_barkeep_ill/dfrviiq/

    That's probably the easiest solution. Create two maps: one for day and one for night. Put the daytime accolades in the daytime map and the nighttime accolades in the nighttime map. And allow users to choose which map they want to go to.

    alcyoneserene wrote: »
    Can devs just auto-disable Lighting 2.0 for Risa and Bajor and keep it as it was before?

    Or give us separate instances with original lighting so the day/night cycle works?

    As much as I would like that, I'm not sure it's possible. The original lighting system doesn't really exist anymore. They've changed the graphics code so much that, even with Lighting 2.0 disabled, it's still not the same as the old system.

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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,010 Arc User
    I learned about that on reddit just yesterday. So many maps look weird or lack serious atmosphere, yet everytime we hear "that's just minor, a single oversight, the game overall is so much better off" - but it feels like a step back a lot.
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  • jaredza#2872 jaredza
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    Probably going to make the summer event less fun that last time, I mean now it's no different to any other ground map really in terms of aesthetics.
  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,668 Arc User
    bye bye fireworks
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  • anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
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    I'm not so certain that the accolades will be a problem. I took my one character that didn't have any of them there for a while and got Unauthorized Dance Party, which was a night-only accolade before. The partiers were gone later, so the time doesn't appear to be frozen. I didn't have the time to hang around and wait for the mok'bara Klingon, the arguing couple or the fireworks, so I don't know about them, and obviously don't know about Pavyl, since he's only active during the event, as far as I recall.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,010 Arc User
    smokebailey wrote: »
    bye bye fireworks

    It's not just fireworks and accolades, but sometimes it was nice to be on Risa and watch the sun go down, sitting on the roof. It's a little, absolutely non-game relevant moment of serenity but that's gone now.​​
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    I learned about that on reddit just yesterday. So many maps look weird or lack serious atmosphere, yet everytime we hear "that's just minor, a single oversight, the game overall is so much better off" - but it feels like a step back a lot.
    Enh, I'm willing to file it as "needs more work" rather than "needs removed"
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  • fovrelfovrel Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    This not good. having an MMO where you cannot have a proper day and night cycle. I suggest they should seriously think about Lightning 3.0.

    On certain maps I did have issues with Lightning 2.0. The graphic card stopped, dark screen, computers is on and I have sound, or the CPU stopped completely. the system turned itself off. I have solved these problems by changing the graphical settings from middle up to middle low. Certain maps in the Delta quadrant gave these problems. My system is supposed to be above average.
  • wylonuswylonus Member Posts: 471 Arc User
    after 9:30 pm, studio team staying up way past thier bedtime in mom's basement, mom opened the door to basement with loud gasp, "Kids! what the matter? afraid of dark? that is way too much light in here, i cant see, too bright, then paused, "Turn that thing down RIGHT NOW!"
    studio team groan, "Aw Mom!"
    "Dont you Aw Mom me!, there is a cop car watching this house with thermoscanner!"

    maybe that why devs are afraid of dark. darkness phobia.
  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    jade1280 wrote: »
    Did someone say nuke Bajor?!


    Becuase there is no reason to go there ever again.

    I did because it needs to be nuked it just screams out NUKE ME!! id be happy to oblige if i could, hell make it a event we make home built nukes and start setting them off kinda like a party lol
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    That is disappointing. :(
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  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,467 Arc User
    Very disappointing, Bajor was a beautiful site to behold. I loved hanging over there just to see the day and night change.
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  • rcassandrasaturnrcassandrasaturn Member Posts: 195 Arc User
    believe me, they did broke it all right. they don't know how to fix it, so they are going to hope that they find solution in this mess.

    me, i'd like to say that they can do it, find the original code and add it into new lighting 2.0 to have it working as well. i believe they missed a step with creating a code for the game that they probably missed a minor critical step to day/night cycles of worlds.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,010 Arc User
    rcassandrasaturn wrote: »
    believe me, they did broke it all right. they don't know how to fix it, so they are going to hope that they find solution in this mess.

    me, i'd like to say that they can do it, find the original code and add it into new lighting 2.0 to have it working as well. i believe they missed a step with creating a code for the game that they probably missed a minor critical step to day/night cycles of worlds.

    I don't think this is what happened at all. It seems they were full aware that L 2.0 would not support this, but they didn't consider two maps in the game with that feature to be worth not upgrading the lighting which was necessary for the console release. Small atmospheric pleasantries like this have no room in the grand scheme of things, "fluff" maps like ship interiors and old fleet assets are also not worth working on since they have to create new maps constantly.

    It wasn't a oversight and nothing you can "put back in" in my opinion. It was a conscious decision.​​
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  • rcassandrasaturnrcassandrasaturn Member Posts: 195 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    rcassandrasaturn wrote: »
    believe me, they did broke it all right. they don't know how to fix it, so they are going to hope that they find solution in this mess.

    me, i'd like to say that they can do it, find the original code and add it into new lighting 2.0 to have it working as well. i believe they missed a step with creating a code for the game that they probably missed a minor critical step to day/night cycles of worlds.

    I don't think this is what happened at all. It seems they were full aware that L 2.0 would not support this, but they didn't consider two maps in the game with that feature to be worth not upgrading the lighting which was necessary for the console release. Small atmospheric pleasantries like this have no room in the grand scheme of things, "fluff" maps like ship interiors and old fleet assets are also not worth working on since they have to create new maps constantly.

    It wasn't a oversight and nothing you can "put back in" in my opinion. It was a conscious decision.​​

    perhaps.. but they have to consider the rampants of this choice. even a minor detail like that DO give the game a more of "alive" feeling, not just a "dead" feeling. without the cycle, it's just bland, dead feeling. nobody wants that.
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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    stark2k wrote: »
    Very disappointing, Bajor was a beautiful site to behold. I loved hanging over there just to see the day and night change.

    It would look so much better with a nice nuclear sunrise over the blasted cities of bajor lol
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