When Michael Dorn said "it's just good television, that's all", he was right. That's all it is/was, television. The future portrayed by Star Trek has nothing to do with the real world and the human condition. No one can predict the future exactly, but I'll bet you a million bucks it's going to be a lot more dystopian, and a lot less "sci fi". If you don't believe this, you're badly blue-pilled, and have too much time on your hands day dreaming. Likely most of you live in comfortable safe-spaces sheltered from the brutal realities of the real world, and have no idea what it's like "out there".
Now stuff like the S.T.A.L.K.E.R, Fallout and Deus Ex series are actually closer to how things may going to look like IMHO, but even these are just fiction, so I'm not taking it any further than that.
Unlike some of the silly die-hard fans who almost religiously believe that the future will be like Star Trek, as long as the devs can seperate fantasy from reality it's with fine me. They can decide the direction of the game in any way they want, canon or no canon, because its their game. I honestly think the mixture of canon with non-canon has been done pretty well by Cryptic so far (after all, we no longer live in the friggin 60's).
I think it's perfectly fine that Star Trek is NOT realistic, as that's why I play games in the first place, to escape the real world and its BS politics. But when I see stupid people acting as if romulans or klingons actually exist, then I get pissed off.
I see it opposite.....it can happen.....you just going to have to want it to happen. Those in power WANT you to feel helpless and that it's all going to end horribly. Stop obsessing over greed, power, money....that's the first step. Also, stop worshiping governments and authority figures because of their titles. Also, think.....I see people who try to do new ways of thinking and seeing things....but won't until someone in government or media SAYS it's ok to think this or that way.
Those are the first steps....steps that most people do not want to do, because change, of any kind scares them, even if the change is good.
Without Star Trek we wouldn't have famous inventions like the iphone. Star Trek inspire an whole generation to go out and change the world. This is why I will always like Star Trek more than Star Wars. Star Trek actually help people become better human beings. I don't know many people who became doctors or engineers after watching Star Wars.
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
The Federation is not THAT utopian if one really thinks about it. However I think plausible outcome is something like a cross between how the Federation is, and the Warhammer 40k Imperium. I think reality would greatly vary between the two possibilities, just like this world now does, depends how lucky you are and where you are.
The Federation is not THAT utopian if one really thinks about it. However I think plausible outcome is something like a cross between how the Federation is, and the Warhammer 40k Imperium. I think reality would greatly vary between the two possibilities, just like this world now does, depends how lucky you are and where you are.
The Federation and Warhammer 40k Imperium requires some form of instantaneous interstellar communication and/or FTL travel. There are some science fiction stories that use FTL ships as mail courier ships due to a lack of instantaneous interstellar communication.
Without interstellar communications or FTL travel, then it is impossible for interstellar civilizations like the Federation or Warhammer 40k Imperium to exist. Each star system would be stranded and get information that is decades or centuries out of date. Then there is the possibility of temporal and dimensional civilizations. So it is possible that the maximum we can reach is a bunch of interplanetary civilizations depending on what is theoretically possible.
Without FTL travel, even an ansible won't allow for the development of an interstellar civilization as such; in Niven's Known Space series, prior to the mayor of We Made It purchasing the secret of hyperdrive from a passing Outsider ship the UN (the effective governing body of Earth by the 22nd century) didn't even pretend to govern anything outside the inner Solar System. The kzinti held their empire together primarily through force used by planetary governors, coupled with a strong sense of tradition (and the fact that their ships, using gravity polarizers, could approach lightspeed, while crewed human ships only hit about .5c at best).
Meanwhile, in Pournelle's CoDominium stories there was a high-speed FTL drive (from a point in one system to a predefined point in another system, using fusion rockets at about 1g acceleration between them), but no FTL comms, meaning that the CD eventually was overthrown and subsumed by the Empire of Man (which itself fell to a secessionist movement led by the genetically-engineered "supermen" of Sauron system, then reformed centuries later as the Second Empire). The Empire was kept together by regional governors appointed by the Emperor, and messages went as fast as the quickest sloop. (In The Mote In God's Eye, Rod Blaine and Lady Sally Fowler had to hitch a ride on a message sloop that maintained 4g acceleration between Alderson jump points; it was mostly fuel tank, crewed by five young men selected for their physical fitness and recovery speed. Ordinarily Rod would have stayed aboard the Imperial battlewagon [i[Lenin[/i] pending the inquiry into the loss of his ship, the battle cruiser MacArthur, but His Imperial Majesty had requested Lord Blaine's and Lady Fowler's presence at the Palace in Serpentis system, so...)
More to the point, however, given an FTL drive along the lines of the Star Trek warp drive, particularly in conjunction with the high-speed-but-not-instantaneous communications in TOS, a representative republic like the Federation is just as probable as almost any other form of government. (An imperial fascist government would be unlikely, as the limitations on warp speeds and communications would make successful colonial revolutions too possible. Total anarchy also wouldn't work, as neighboring systems could still reach each other, so as soon as one developed another form of government it would spread, not to mention those systems that would be absorbed by the Klingon and Romulan empires. Any form that can be decentralized, however, including republics and feudal empires, could happen.) Any insistence that "humans would never be like that" is not only helplessly defeatist, it's also contradicted by many instances in our planet's own history. (See the Dominion of Canada, the United States between 1865 and 2016, Australia, et al.) It's even easier when you have a post-scarcity society, a result of replicators and cheap energy.
When Michael Dorn said "it's just good television, that's all", he was right. That's all it is/was, television. The future portrayed by Star Trek has nothing to do with the real world and the human condition. No one can predict the future exactly, but I'll bet you a million bucks it's going to be a lot more dystopian, and a lot less "sci fi". If you don't believe this, you're badly blue-pilled, and have too much time on your hands day dreaming. Likely most of you live in comfortable safe-spaces sheltered from the brutal realities of the real world, and have no idea what it's like "out there".
Now stuff like the S.T.A.L.K.E.R, Fallout and Deus Ex series are actually closer to how things may going to look like IMHO, but even these are just fiction, so I'm not taking it any further than that.
Unlike some of the silly die-hard fans who almost religiously believe that the future will be like Star Trek, as long as the devs can seperate fantasy from reality it's with fine me. They can decide the direction of the game in any way they want, canon or no canon, because its their game. I honestly think the mixture of canon with non-canon has been done pretty well by Cryptic so far (after all, we no longer live in the friggin 60's).
I think it's perfectly fine that Star Trek is NOT realistic, as that's why I play games in the first place, to escape the real world and its BS politics. But when I see stupid people acting as if romulans or klingons actually exist, then I get pissed off.
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You can always try using G-23 Paxilon Hydrochlorate to keep the populations of distance colonies in check.
'Take my love, take my land Take me where I cannot stand I don't care, I'm still free You can't take the sky from me Take me out to the black Tell them I ain't coming back Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me
There's no place I can be Since I've found Serenity But you can't take the sky from me'
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That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Any form that can be decentralized, however, including republics and feudal empires, could happen.
Feudal Empires, like those seen in the Battletech universe, where the five Successor States of the Inner Sphere exist after the collapse of the Star League. Other than when House Steiner and House Davion joined to form the Federated Commonwealth (which fractured after Katrina Steiner broke away from her brother Victor Davion), the Inner Sphere was not united and fought among themselves. It took the Clan Invasion to even get them to actually talk to each other, let alone work together.
Hell... There was still mistrust between the rival houses (Davion and Steiner units especially, and to an extent Liao). Kurita and Marik units seemed to be the most focused on the Clans.
wow, what a rant, this game is just a fanasty for folks, it is a role play, even if the future look grim. big deal.
as old roman saying, "Eat, Drink, and be merry and for tmw we all die", life goes on.
anyway, let play fed or klig or rom as we desire to play our captains.
dont forget Silent Death: the next millenium, they have fractured post earth colony that went star spanning war until the "broods" the deadly space bugs destroyed earth empire somewhere in 10,000 AD in future, it got 12 major houses and several minors surviving first brood wars. it is awesome tabletop miniature war game. but that company went bankrupted, known as Iron Crown Enterprise, destroyed by Tolkien Estates when they file lawsuits on lord of the rings card game.
History is the key when thinking of the future. Should we one day make it the stars, our history will go with us. Our
history shows that free societies are the most prosperous, and lasting. Yet Colonial, or Totalitarian societies have dominated
our world. Humanty's desire to control/dominate is the real hurdle.
Its likely the answer of what would be is reliant on the "flavor" of which society is popular at the time we reach the stars.
I actually think Star Trek, minus the ridiculous physics and technobabble, of course, is fairly realistic.
Automation and other ways of advanced manufacturing (3d printing) will eventually put most people out of work. Fusion will happen eventually (it's been 20 years away for the last 50, but it will eventually happen), providing unlimited energy. In our lifetimes, we will probably see a universal basic income to compensate for this. Some people will be richer because they actually have jobs, but most people will be well off.
Populations decline pretty much when women get rights and a country goes from being 3rd world to 1st world. So underpopulation will eventually be more of a problem than overpopulation.
Op take a moment to think about the many technologies and gadgets that star trek has inspired that we use today or is in the process of being developed.
Draal - FED, Saurian, LV60 - TAC
Mirak - FED 23c, Vulkan, LV60 - TAC
Ascaran Bloodclaw - KDF, Gorn, Lv18 - TAC
Melchiah - KDF, Gorn, LV60 - TAC
Ne'roon - KDF,Lethian, L60, TAC
Turel - ROM-KDF, Reman, 30, TAC
Elric - ROM-Fed, Romulan, L60, TAC
Richtor Belmont - FED 23c, Human,LV20, SCI
G'Kar - KDF, Gorn, L10
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I see it opposite.....it can happen.....you just going to have to want it to happen. Those in power WANT you to feel helpless and that it's all going to end horribly. Stop obsessing over greed, power, money....that's the first step. Also, stop worshiping governments and authority figures because of their titles. Also, think.....I see people who try to do new ways of thinking and seeing things....but won't until someone in government or media SAYS it's ok to think this or that way.
Those are the first steps....steps that most people do not want to do, because change, of any kind scares them, even if the change is good.
And also this.
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STFU..
The Federation and Warhammer 40k Imperium requires some form of instantaneous interstellar communication and/or FTL travel. There are some science fiction stories that use FTL ships as mail courier ships due to a lack of instantaneous interstellar communication.
Without interstellar communications or FTL travel, then it is impossible for interstellar civilizations like the Federation or Warhammer 40k Imperium to exist. Each star system would be stranded and get information that is decades or centuries out of date. Then there is the possibility of temporal and dimensional civilizations. So it is possible that the maximum we can reach is a bunch of interplanetary civilizations depending on what is theoretically possible.
Meanwhile, in Pournelle's CoDominium stories there was a high-speed FTL drive (from a point in one system to a predefined point in another system, using fusion rockets at about 1g acceleration between them), but no FTL comms, meaning that the CD eventually was overthrown and subsumed by the Empire of Man (which itself fell to a secessionist movement led by the genetically-engineered "supermen" of Sauron system, then reformed centuries later as the Second Empire). The Empire was kept together by regional governors appointed by the Emperor, and messages went as fast as the quickest sloop. (In The Mote In God's Eye, Rod Blaine and Lady Sally Fowler had to hitch a ride on a message sloop that maintained 4g acceleration between Alderson jump points; it was mostly fuel tank, crewed by five young men selected for their physical fitness and recovery speed. Ordinarily Rod would have stayed aboard the Imperial battlewagon [i[Lenin[/i] pending the inquiry into the loss of his ship, the battle cruiser MacArthur, but His Imperial Majesty had requested Lord Blaine's and Lady Fowler's presence at the Palace in Serpentis system, so...)
More to the point, however, given an FTL drive along the lines of the Star Trek warp drive, particularly in conjunction with the high-speed-but-not-instantaneous communications in TOS, a representative republic like the Federation is just as probable as almost any other form of government. (An imperial fascist government would be unlikely, as the limitations on warp speeds and communications would make successful colonial revolutions too possible. Total anarchy also wouldn't work, as neighboring systems could still reach each other, so as soon as one developed another form of government it would spread, not to mention those systems that would be absorbed by the Klingon and Romulan empires. Any form that can be decentralized, however, including republics and feudal empires, could happen.) Any insistence that "humans would never be like that" is not only helplessly defeatist, it's also contradicted by many instances in our planet's own history. (See the Dominion of Canada, the United States between 1865 and 2016, Australia, et al.) It's even easier when you have a post-scarcity society, a result of replicators and cheap energy.
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'Take my love, take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
I don't care, I'm still free
You can't take the sky from me
Take me out to the black
Tell them I ain't coming back
Burn the land and boil the sea
You can't take the sky from me
There's no place I can be
Since I've found Serenity
But you can't take the sky from me'
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Feudal Empires, like those seen in the Battletech universe, where the five Successor States of the Inner Sphere exist after the collapse of the Star League. Other than when House Steiner and House Davion joined to form the Federated Commonwealth (which fractured after Katrina Steiner broke away from her brother Victor Davion), the Inner Sphere was not united and fought among themselves. It took the Clan Invasion to even get them to actually talk to each other, let alone work together.
Hell... There was still mistrust between the rival houses (Davion and Steiner units especially, and to an extent Liao). Kurita and Marik units seemed to be the most focused on the Clans.
as old roman saying, "Eat, Drink, and be merry and for tmw we all die", life goes on.
anyway, let play fed or klig or rom as we desire to play our captains.
dont forget Silent Death: the next millenium, they have fractured post earth colony that went star spanning war until the "broods" the deadly space bugs destroyed earth empire somewhere in 10,000 AD in future, it got 12 major houses and several minors surviving first brood wars. it is awesome tabletop miniature war game. but that company went bankrupted, known as Iron Crown Enterprise, destroyed by Tolkien Estates when they file lawsuits on lord of the rings card game.
history shows that free societies are the most prosperous, and lasting. Yet Colonial, or Totalitarian societies have dominated
our world. Humanty's desire to control/dominate is the real hurdle.
Its likely the answer of what would be is reliant on the "flavor" of which society is popular at the time we reach the stars.
For what its worth.
BCW
Automation and other ways of advanced manufacturing (3d printing) will eventually put most people out of work. Fusion will happen eventually (it's been 20 years away for the last 50, but it will eventually happen), providing unlimited energy. In our lifetimes, we will probably see a universal basic income to compensate for this. Some people will be richer because they actually have jobs, but most people will be well off.
Populations decline pretty much when women get rights and a country goes from being 3rd world to 1st world. So underpopulation will eventually be more of a problem than overpopulation.
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Admit it, even when ignoring the laser-shooting exo-skeletons, that'd be freaking awesome.