Any1 else think this was a missed opportunity for Cryptic to give the KDF and Romulan's a version of the "Aux Phaser Dual Heavy Cannons" that the Tier 5 Vesta's got ?
See my reply re: a few posts up ^
Also, CrypticSpartan just replied in that topic, which pretty much makes this official, and seals the deal on the whole pack for me. T6 Vestas and T6 Rom equivalents, a wish come true (for when they go on sale).
Again, for the third time, I've not mentioned anything about stats! I am not a min-maxer, I don't equip consoles to do crazy dps. I use consoles that are fun or do something UNIQUE. Buffing some damage type, lowering cooldowns, etc is fine and dandy but all I said is I thought the set bonuses were uninspiring. These ships look fine otherwise. Maybe I should have expected the 4 piece set bonus to be what it is. They did the same thing with last years star cruisers and command cruisers.
How do you rationalize what I've said about wanting an ability, as wanting my ship to glow with power? I've not once said these ships or consoles look weak. I suggest reading and comprehending it, or just move along. I've expressed my opinion, and that's all I came here to do.
You find them uninspiring, I find them awesome. Probably because you're looking for the ever-flowing fountain of more DPS. Let's agree to disagree then.
Any1 else think this was a missed opportunity for Cryptic to give the KDF and Romulan's a version of the "Aux Phaser Dual Heavy Cannons" that the Tier 5 Vesta's got ?
See my reply re: a few posts up ^
Also, CrypticSpartan just replied in that topic, which pretty much makes this official, and seals the deal on the whole pack for me. T6 Vestas and T6 Rom equivalents, a wish come true (for when they go on sale).
You find them uninspiring, I find them awesome. Probably because you're looking for the ever-flowing fountain of more DPS. Let's agree to disagree then.
You've got to be trolling me. I literally have no other ways to say the stats and dps of these consoles don't matter to me. You like the ships, as do many others and that is great! I don't like them and said why. I was mostly curious if others thought along the same lines as I did. I am probably in the minority of those who aren't digging the ships. I am happy that people are excited for these. I'm sure the Romulans and Klingons are extra excited.
I had a slight hope they might make a new aux beam to go along with these, but I am glad that all the factions will have access to the aux cannons now.
Uh oh since they are now wrapping up the sci section of the t6 ships you know what this means. Soon there will be tier 7. Planned obsolescence. I give it less than a year.
It seems like the:
- Starfleet T6 has more shields / turn rate / inertia
- Klingon T6 has more hull but less shields / turn rate / inertia
- Romulan T6 only has less shields / turn rate / inertia
Shouldnt the Romulan T6 version either have:
- more shields / turn rate / inertia and be like the Starfleet version
- more hull but less shields / turn rate / inertia and be like the Klingon version
- or get slightly more shields / hull to fit in between the Starfleet and Klingon versions?
Edit: Stats are good, Romulan version has Battle Cloak
a better look at the new designs and the Brigid Class loooks like a Luna class.
that doesn't dobe well for fans of the Luna class.
it doesn't look even remotely close like luna..... welp ok "remotely" but it's remoteness is same as with every other fed starship with this kind of saucer section.....
a better look at the new designs and the Brigid Class loooks like a Luna class.
that doesn't dobe well for fans of the Luna class.
it doesn't look even remotely close like luna..... welp ok "remotely" but it's remoteness is same as with every other fed starship with this kind of saucer section.....
Doesn't it look like the raedmaker Miranda though?
You've got to be trolling me. I literally have no other ways to say the stats and dps of these consoles don't matter to me. You like the ships, as do many others and that is great! I don't like them and said why. I was mostly curious if others thought along the same lines as I did. I am probably in the minority of those who aren't digging the ships. I am happy that people are excited for these. I'm sure the Romulans and Klingons are extra excited.
I had a slight hope they might make a new aux beam to go along with these, but I am glad that all the factions will have access to the aux cannons now.
What you're asking for is more DPS since those have a wider arc on top of being able to FAW combined with 360 omni phasers on the back. Hey, I'd love a full range of Dominion Polaron weapons and Resonating Tetryons (At their former 10% proc chance glory), but that's never going to happen.
It seems like the:
- Starfleet T6 has more shields / turn rate / inertia
- Klingon T6 has more hull but less shields / turn rate / inertia
- Romulan T6 only has less shields / turn rate / inertia
Shouldnt the Romulan T6 version either have:
- more shields / turn rate / inertia and be like the Starfleet version
- more hull but less shields / turn rate / inertia and be like the Klingon version
- or get slightly more shields / hull to fit in between the Starfleet and Klingon versions?
Edit: Stats are good, Romulan version has Battle Cloak
The meta has always been the romulan vessels get the worse of the stats between the two other factions due to Romulan vessels having battlecloaks and singularity powers. Given that my main is a Rom, ya get used to it after a while. I'm just happy that Science has finally received some love after nearly two years of waiting and an endless stream of escorts and cruisers.
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S'aana ir'Virinat t'Charvon, Lvl 65, Rom Eng
T'Lyra, LvL 65, Fed, Vul Sci
Ta'el, Lvl 63, Rom Tac
Sukima, Lvl 65, Fed Vul Sci
The meta has always been the romulan vessels get the worse of the stats between the two other factions due to Romulan vessels having battlecloaks and singularity powers. Given that my main is a Rom, ya get used to it after a while. I'm just happy that Science has finally received some love after nearly two years of waiting and an endless stream of escorts and cruisers.
what was that? I couldn't hear over the sounds of enemies exploding from my combination grav well + sing jump + anti-time singularity..... not to mention the sound of how damned sexy warbirds are.
The meta has always been the romulan vessels get the worse of the stats between the two other factions due to Romulan vessels having battlecloaks and singularity powers. Given that my main is a Rom, ya get used to it after a while. I'm just happy that Science has finally received some love after nearly two years of waiting and an endless stream of escorts and cruisers.
what was that? I couldn't hear over the sounds of enemies exploding from my combination grav well + sing jump + anti-time singularity..... not to mention the sound of how damned sexy warbirds are.
Someone is speaking my language! I do enjoy watching multiple mobs disintegrate, under that exact combination, as a Laeosa flitters about, spreading Tachyon love and melting their shields. Not that I don't enjoy watching a torp spead of Quantum phase or plasma torpedos, followed up by either Plasma or antiproton death coming from my dread or command bird with the same results. I just like playing it different sometimes.
~Shia~
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T'Lyra, LvL 65, Fed, Vul Sci
Ta'el, Lvl 63, Rom Tac
Sukima, Lvl 65, Fed Vul Sci
It seems like the:
- Starfleet T6 has more shields / turn rate / inertia
- Klingon T6 has more hull but less shields / turn rate / inertia
- Romulan T6 only has less shields / turn rate / inertia
Shouldnt the Romulan T6 version either have:
- more shields / turn rate / inertia and be like the Starfleet version
- more hull but less shields / turn rate / inertia and be like the Klingon version
- or get slightly more shields / hull to fit in between the Starfleet and Klingon versions?
Edit: Stats are good, Romulan version has Battle Cloak
The meta has always been the romulan vessels get the worse of the stats between the two other factions due to Romulan vessels having battlecloaks and singularity powers. Given that my main is a Rom, ya get used to it after a while. I'm just happy that Science has finally received some love after nearly two years of waiting and an endless stream of escorts and cruisers.
Not exactly. Singularity powers and overcharge are already balanced by having lower subsystem power levels, which really isn't a big deal as there's many ways to keep them high. Battle cloaks and enhanced battle cloaks are features that many KDF ships already have even if they aren't Romulan with the turn boosts.
I'd say Rom ships overall are more fragile, hardest to fly, and have the most strike potential, while Fed ships are tankier, more consistent, and the most advanced from an engineering build point of view (Prometheus). KDF ships sometimes are just stronger version of some Fed ships like the Qib is to the Eclipse, have fewer ships, and somewhat different approach as with BoP and Raptors.
The meta has always been the romulan vessels get the worse of the stats between the two other factions due to Romulan vessels having battlecloaks and singularity powers. Given that my main is a Rom, ya get used to it after a while. I'm just happy that Science has finally received some love after nearly two years of waiting and an endless stream of escorts and cruisers.
what was that? I couldn't hear over the sounds of enemies exploding from my combination grav well + sing jump + anti-time singularity..... not to mention the sound of how damned sexy warbirds are.
Someone is speaking my language! I do enjoy watching multiple mobs disintegrate, under that exact combination, as a Laeosa flitters about, spreading Tachyon love and melting their shields. Not that I don't enjoy watching a torp spead of Quantum phase or plasma torpedos, followed up by either Plasma or antiproton death coming from my dread or command bird with the same results. I just like playing it different sometimes.
hehe yes my laeosa has a romulan hyper torp in the back for HY, and if Im sadistic the borg torp in the front can get a HY instead of spread and yes unleashing the laeosa's console on the clustered mobs IS fun
a better look at the new designs and the Brigid Class loooks like a Luna class.
that doesn't dobe well for fans of the Luna class.
it doesn't look even remotely close like luna..... welp ok "remotely" but it's remoteness is same as with every other fed starship with this kind of saucer section.....
Doesn't it look like the raedmaker Miranda though?
More like a Centaur.
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I remain unconvinced regarding whether to buy the Starfleet pack or not. They look fantastic and would definitely benefit my main (Sci) character. However, I may be at a slight disadvantage if I do purchase them as I don't have the console from the Lukari ship.
Obviously talking from an entirely personal viewpoint, but I don't like the Lukari ship design and nothing else about it impressed me enough to convince me to spend time playing mini-games that I really don't enjoy, regardless of how short they may be. And yes, I pretty much knew that Cryptic would, basically, punnish anyone who might want the T6 Vesta but didn't grind for the Lukari ship - but whatever; I refuse to participate in an activity that I don't enjoy. That isn't what gaming is about.
On the other hand, not convinced that I'd be missing much with the four-piece set bonus. The fact is, the consoles from the T5 Vesta are still some of the best ship-specific consoles around (imho) and I'd likely either mix and match or simply use the T5 Vesta and T6 Vesta consoles - not the most efficent build, and I would imagine the DPS counters would frown upon it - but who cares? it'd be a LOT of fun!
So still in two minds - will hopefully make up my mind over the weekend, whilst they are on sale. The thing is, though - regardless of how awesome these ships are, I just KNOW I'll be back with my Rhode Island in less than a week.
I'm at a minimum going to pick up the Vesta Variant for my fed Sci toon.
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Well, since there is no patch today I'm not expecting their release to go very smoothly (much the same as the sutherland release didn't)!
Not picking up anything my own self, today. I spent everything I got on preparing for Upgrade Weekend. (I did get a Rom Pilot ship, the other day, but only because I was frustrated buying all these ships I really don't want to fly, but just bought for their Trait)
I am wondering if the new T6 Brigid (Vesta variant) has the better slipstream drive or just a normal 30-second/2min one. I don't see anything in the description about it so I am guessing no.
They usually don't mention that they have the Advanced Quantum Slipstream Drive. They didn't on the T5s either. The Odysseys at T5 had the 60 Second Advanced as well and subsequently so did the T6 Variants. My best guess is that it will have it.
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l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I am wondering if the new T6 Brigid (Vesta variant) has the better slipstream drive or just a normal 30-second/2min one. I don't see anything in the description about it so I am guessing no.
They usually don't mention that they have the Advanced Quantum Slipstream Drive. They didn't on the T5s either. The Odysseys at T5 had the 60 Second Advanced as well and subsequently so did the T6 Variants. My best guess is that it will have it.
Well, soon somebody's gonna be able to see that first hand. However I'd like to point out the Odyssey's better Quantum Slipstream is built-in the ships themselves. The Vestas, on the other hand, get it from the old console set (it's the 2-part bonus).
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Pretty sure if you do the numbers there are less then half as many science vessels as there are engineering or tactical ships. So we must reward Cryptic's good choices with lots of monies! Cryptic's marketing team is like a horny teenager just with a wallet in place of a TRIBBLE. They are gonna follow that wallet no matter what we say so if we want changes made that's we do it.
I posted this in the bugs section got a reply its being fixed which is good to know.
I noticed this. Good thing I kept my original Vesta Aux Cannons. As for slipstream, to enable the Choniton Integrated Slipstream drive, you need to get a 2 piece bonus from the original console set. The new T6 does not have it enabled by default.
As for pieces, all T5 and T6 pieces seem to mesh perfectly. You also have access to the Vesta only skin. Not sure if you have to have the T5 bundle or not as I currently have both. I'm using a mix of the Rademaker and Brigid. The T6 hulls are fatter and shorter than the sleek T5s.
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See my reply re: a few posts up ^
Also, CrypticSpartan just replied in that topic, which pretty much makes this official, and seals the deal on the whole pack for me. T6 Vestas and T6 Rom equivalents, a wish come true (for when they go on sale).
You find them uninspiring, I find them awesome. Probably because you're looking for the ever-flowing fountain of more DPS. Let's agree to disagree then.
Thanks, wish they had put this in the blog.
You've got to be trolling me. I literally have no other ways to say the stats and dps of these consoles don't matter to me. You like the ships, as do many others and that is great! I don't like them and said why. I was mostly curious if others thought along the same lines as I did. I am probably in the minority of those who aren't digging the ships. I am happy that people are excited for these. I'm sure the Romulans and Klingons are extra excited.
I had a slight hope they might make a new aux beam to go along with these, but I am glad that all the factions will have access to the aux cannons now.
- Starfleet T6 has more shields / turn rate / inertia
- Klingon T6 has more hull but less shields / turn rate / inertia
- Romulan T6 only has less shields / turn rate / inertia
Shouldnt the Romulan T6 version either have:
- more shields / turn rate / inertia and be like the Starfleet version
- more hull but less shields / turn rate / inertia and be like the Klingon version
- or get slightly more shields / hull to fit in between the Starfleet and Klingon versions?
Edit: Stats are good, Romulan version has Battle Cloak
TRIBBLE, that picture made me want that ship. So, now I want the Romulan Tactical, Gorn Engineering, and Federation Science one. Damnit.
Basically those three alone are just about the price of the whole 9pk when we would get a ship sale with it included.
I like that fed ship look, and have the T5 Vesta's, so wouldn't mind throwing the Phaser console on there.
Damnit, back to the dilithium mine I go...
it doesn't look even remotely close like luna..... welp ok "remotely" but it's remoteness is same as with every other fed starship with this kind of saucer section.....
What you're asking for is more DPS since those have a wider arc on top of being able to FAW combined with 360 omni phasers on the back. Hey, I'd love a full range of Dominion Polaron weapons and Resonating Tetryons (At their former 10% proc chance glory), but that's never going to happen.
The meta has always been the romulan vessels get the worse of the stats between the two other factions due to Romulan vessels having battlecloaks and singularity powers. Given that my main is a Rom, ya get used to it after a while. I'm just happy that Science has finally received some love after nearly two years of waiting and an endless stream of escorts and cruisers.
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Ta'el, Lvl 63, Rom Tac
Sukima, Lvl 65, Fed Vul Sci
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Shiarrael e'Tal'Aura t'Charvon, LvL 65, Rom Sci
S'aana ir'Virinat t'Charvon, Lvl 65, Rom Eng
T'Lyra, LvL 65, Fed, Vul Sci
Ta'el, Lvl 63, Rom Tac
Sukima, Lvl 65, Fed Vul Sci
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Sereska Miliskeera, Lvl 70 OP - Devotion (Just.)/Protection (Just.)
Shizlee Miliskeera, Lvl 70 DC - Divine Oracle (Right.)/Anointed Champion (Faith.)
Finithey Miliskeera, Lvl 70 HR - Stormwarden (Combat)/Pathfinder (Trapper)
Maya Sik-Miliskeera, Lvl 70 CW - Spellstorm
Irae Sik-Miliskeera, Lvl 70 TR - Master Inflitrator
what was that? I couldn't hear over the sounds of enemies exploding from my combination grav well + sing jump + anti-time singularity..... not to mention the sound of how damned sexy warbirds are.
Someone is speaking my language!
Member - Houseclan t'Charvon (STO)
Shiarrael e'Tal'Aura t'Charvon, LvL 65, Rom Sci
S'aana ir'Virinat t'Charvon, Lvl 65, Rom Eng
T'Lyra, LvL 65, Fed, Vul Sci
Ta'el, Lvl 63, Rom Tac
Sukima, Lvl 65, Fed Vul Sci
House Miliskeera in exile (NW)
Sereska Miliskeera, Lvl 70 OP - Devotion (Just.)/Protection (Just.)
Shizlee Miliskeera, Lvl 70 DC - Divine Oracle (Right.)/Anointed Champion (Faith.)
Finithey Miliskeera, Lvl 70 HR - Stormwarden (Combat)/Pathfinder (Trapper)
Maya Sik-Miliskeera, Lvl 70 CW - Spellstorm
Irae Sik-Miliskeera, Lvl 70 TR - Master Inflitrator
Not exactly. Singularity powers and overcharge are already balanced by having lower subsystem power levels, which really isn't a big deal as there's many ways to keep them high. Battle cloaks and enhanced battle cloaks are features that many KDF ships already have even if they aren't Romulan with the turn boosts.
I'd say Rom ships overall are more fragile, hardest to fly, and have the most strike potential, while Fed ships are tankier, more consistent, and the most advanced from an engineering build point of view (Prometheus). KDF ships sometimes are just stronger version of some Fed ships like the Qib is to the Eclipse, have fewer ships, and somewhat different approach as with BoP and Raptors.
hehe yes my laeosa has a romulan hyper torp in the back for HY, and if Im sadistic the borg torp in the front can get a HY instead of spread
More like a Centaur.
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Probably on the next patch.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I'm at a minimum going to pick up the Vesta Variant for my fed Sci toon.
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Not picking up anything my own self, today.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Well, soon somebody's gonna be able to see that first hand. However I'd like to point out the Odyssey's better Quantum Slipstream is built-in the ships themselves. The Vestas, on the other hand, get it from the old console set (it's the 2-part bonus).
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/5sngvw/thanks_to_spartan_the_nonfederation_aux_cannons/
-EDIT-
I posted this in the bugs section got a reply its being fixed which is good to know.
I noticed this. Good thing I kept my original Vesta Aux Cannons. As for slipstream, to enable the Choniton Integrated Slipstream drive, you need to get a 2 piece bonus from the original console set. The new T6 does not have it enabled by default.
As for pieces, all T5 and T6 pieces seem to mesh perfectly. You also have access to the Vesta only skin. Not sure if you have to have the T5 bundle or not as I currently have both. I'm using a mix of the Rademaker and Brigid. The T6 hulls are fatter and shorter than the sleek T5s.