With respect, I fail to see how - you lose a potentially excellent modifier for a **** proc with a lockout. Do these get a 5% chance to proc as is common with hybrid weapons? I forget, as some DONT get double the proc chance....
Look, you want good shield drain procs? Use the Lukari t4 rep or the Omega set 2 piece. Regular Tetryon weapons porcs are useless and take up modifier space IMO.
I was speaking about Phased Polarons - were you thinking of the current TRIBBLE phaser proc that the Borg are immune to? I'd just rather have another modifier for stronger punch....
Lucho, about the r&d engines with [DAMP], if I'm running a balanced power level and relying on power spikes from Siphon II, III and the leech, should i be getting the impulse engine that's efficient at high or low levels?
Lucho, about the r&d engines with [DAMP], if I'm running a balanced power level and relying on power spikes from Siphon II, III and the leech, should i be getting the impulse engine that's efficient at high or low levels?
99% of the time, you should go for the hyper-impulse engines. I don't even know why anyone would bother with the combat ones anymore since most people have their power levels through the roof.
I don't even know why anyone would bother with the combat ones anymore since most people have their power levels through the roof.
There have been two times in STOs lifespan when combat engines were relevant. Before the first skill revamp (remember when we had to skill for specific ships?) and just after Legacy of Romulus launched (I hate you singularity cores). For most of STOs life they have been the engine that was only equipped by people who thought the word 'combat' made it better.
Really wish the temporal set didn't use a combat engine.
Lucho, about the r&d engines with [DAMP], if I'm running a balanced power level and relying on power spikes from Siphon II, III and the leech, should i be getting the impulse engine that's efficient at high or low levels?
99% of the time, you should go for the hyper-impulse engines. I don't even know why anyone would bother with the combat ones anymore since most people have their power levels through the roof.
I'm in that 1% then. My EPG ships do not have leech, and to make use of the Chronometric Capacitor, I move power to both Aux and Weapons (even though I use primarily torps). So I usually have low engine and shield power. It was a boon that the Temporal impulse engines turned out to be combat engines.
My pure torp ships have the luxury of keeping power to aux, engines and shields but I tend to use the AMACO set for those, so again I am back to Combat Engines.
Seems the forum gods have taken too much of an interest in this thread so they moved it. If they're listening, you missed the CONTROL and HEALING threads.
Sorry if this has been asked are you guys posting your builds somewhere so we can see them and work on getting something close to it. Just started looking at Science.
As a follow up to yesterday's control skill post. Here are the instructions on how to get your drain skill to the moon. It's fun in PvE since you pretty much suck shields away in Advanced difficulty, but do not use in Elite. You can try it in PvP, but most players have so many restart, immunity, and debuff removal junk on their ships that you'll need two alpha strike ships at your side and a healer to make this useful in PvP.
1) Full skill tree for drain = 100
2) 5 Exotic Particle Focuser [DrainX]x2 = 62.5 x 5 = 312.5
3) Conductive RCS Accelerator [Drain] = 37.5
4) Rule 62 console (lobi) = 28.1
5) Quantum Phase Converter = 37.5
6) Zero Point Energy Conduit = 24.6
7) Nukara particle converter = 21.7
8) Terran Rep Deflector = 60
9) Solanae 2nd deflector = 30
10) R&D crafted engines [Damp] = 33
11) Temporal shield = 30
12) Delta Alliance Warp Core = +20
13) Apex Predator set 2-piece (lobi weapon and mines) = 17.8
14) Nukara Appropriated Munitions set 2-piece (console + mines or beams) = 17.8
15) Superior Astrophysicist = 15
16) 23c Science boffs from K-13 = 10 each for a max of 30
Total = 795.5 to 815.5 depending on number of K-13 science boffs
Note if you have the T6 Nebula and one of the other C-Store Nebulas: On the T6 Nebula you can switch out #4 and #6 for the Nebula 2 piece. +25 on the T6 console for a gain of .4 over #6 and +35.5 on the 2nd piece for a gain of 7.4 over #4 for a total gain of 7.8.
Max in that case is 803.3 to 823.3.
Question, for my Krenim sci ship running everything up to step 12 there, on a toon who's unlikely to get K-13 boffs soon, would it be a desirable thing to add the second part of the Nukara and Apex sets, or do you think it'd eat too much into the idea of using as may beams as possible for the polaron proc chance? ES3 is already at +/- 100 or so, polaron proc at 110, etc.
Assuming I can take the above and substitute 23c boffs eventually, could I then drop the Nukara dbb...or would it be best just to keep the SRO's I have in those posts now, retaining the build as shown?
Frankly, I'd have to install a parser and go search for my Lucretia ISA parses.
Hey, Lucho, speaking of parsers, is there a way to streamline starting and stopping the combatlog? I understand keybinds, and I use them, but I can't see how to get around having to type /combatlog 1 and /combatlog 0 manually every time
The above is how I write it into my bind-file, which gives me a tell with the text 'Combatlog ON/OFF', in addition to performing that action, when I press the corresponding function keys.
@tobiashirt - The post is about maximizing drain, but even I don't like running the full thing except when I want to mess around with a super drain setup since adding the Apex 2 piece bonus hurts the ships performance. Usually I have 2 polaron 360 beams on the back with the KCB and 3 polaron beams on the front, or two polaron beams and the quantum phase torpedo.
P.S. You need to fix that quote block hence why I replied without quoting that post.
Sorry if this has been asked are you guys posting your builds somewhere so we can see them and work on getting something close to it. Just started looking at Science.
So This is one of 3 specialty threads. One for Drain, Control X and Healing...
@tobiashirt - The post is about maximizing drain, but even I don't like running the full thing except when I want to mess around with a super drain setup since adding the Apex 2 piece bonus hurts the ships performance. Usually I have 2 polaron 360 beams on the back with the KCB and 3 polaron beams on the front, or two polaron beams and the quantum phase torpedo.
P.S. You need to fix that quote block hence why I replied without quoting that post.
Thanks, I had a feeling that was the case...it's nice to know the theoretical max, and also nice to know I wasn't missing much.
I assume the quote-block fix was the missing "[/quote]"? I think it's fixed, since my original response is now outside the quoted text
Edit: KCB without the set bonus instead of a torpedo? Or do you use the console with it?
Frankly, I'd have to install a parser and go search for my Lucretia ISA parses.
Hey, Lucho, speaking of parsers, is there a way to streamline starting and stopping the combatlog? I understand keybinds, and I use them, but I can't see how to get around having to type /combatlog 1 and /combatlog 0 manually every time
The above is how I write it into my bind-file, which gives me a tell with the text 'Combatlog ON/OFF', in addition to performing that action, when I press the corresponding function keys.
tobias - thanks very much for this. It works like a charm. And not only have you solved this one issue, but you've shown me how to hotkey command-line options, which has potential for a multitude of uses
tobias - thanks very much for this. It works like a charm. And not only have you solved this one issue, but you've shown me how to hotkey command-line options, which has potential for a multitude of uses
Maybe you should take some time to read through this whole thing and learn more.
tobias - thanks very much for this. It works like a charm. And not only have you solved this one issue, but you've shown me how to hotkey command-line options, which has potential for a multitude of uses
Maybe you should take some time to read through this whole thing and learn more.
so what all is the current optimal deflector/engine/core/shield setup for max drain?
i know the terran deflector is a given because it's still currently the only deflector with the highest drainx score, and i believe the temporal defense shields are the only shields with drainx on them, but what about the engines and core?
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so what all is the current optimal deflector/engine/core/shield setup for max drain?
i know the terran deflector is a given because it's still currently the only deflector with the highest drainx score, and i believe the temporal defense shields are the only shields with drainx on them, but what about the engines and core?
I use the terran WC to get the Terran 2-piece drain bonus. Not sure if Romulans can squeeze more with a +drain singularity core since I don't use my Romulan much. As for engines, the [+Damp] R&D crafted engines are king.
How much drain, in your experience, is required to disable even the big boss NPCs like dreadnaughts with a combination of leech, syphons and polaron weapons - assuming they CAN be drain-disabled and not that they have magic reserves or in-built immunity.
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How much drain, in your experience, is required to disable even the big boss NPCs like dreadnaughts with a combination of leech, syphons and polaron weapons - assuming they CAN be drain-disabled and not that they have magic reserves or in-built immunity.
Some bosses like the Kithomer PvE one seem to have built-in immunity or ridiculously high resistance, but most can be disabled at above 600 drain skill.
i've disabled borg cigars and voth dreadnoughts with a lot less drainx, but only on a polaron proc while ES is active, and they don't stay drained for long - maybe 5 seconds at most
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i've disabled borg cigars and voth dreadnoughts with a lot less drainx, but only on a polaron proc while ES is active, and they don't stay drained for long - maybe 5 seconds at most
Lol, the Borg Unimatrix AKA cigar is so easy to drain that it's sad. Takes me seconds to get that shield down.
Nice I'm already using Dominion polarons. My build is basically a shield stripper/crowd healer (enhanced tachyon beam, quantum phase torp). But I also use ES3 and plasmonic leech, so I can shut down enemies relatively easily.
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Nice I'm already using Dominion polarons. My build is basically a shield stripper/crowd healer (enhanced tachyon beam, quantum phase torp). But I also use ES3 and plasmonic leech, so I can shut down enemies relatively easily.
Tykens 3 with aftershocks is also powerful with drains. Combined with solanae 2nd deflector and ES2, it's awesome.
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I was speaking about Phased Polarons - were you thinking of the current TRIBBLE phaser proc that the Borg are immune to? I'd just rather have another modifier for stronger punch....
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99% of the time, you should go for the hyper-impulse engines. I don't even know why anyone would bother with the combat ones anymore since most people have their power levels through the roof.
There have been two times in STOs lifespan when combat engines were relevant. Before the first skill revamp (remember when we had to skill for specific ships?) and just after Legacy of Romulus launched (I hate you singularity cores). For most of STOs life they have been the engine that was only equipped by people who thought the word 'combat' made it better.
Really wish the temporal set didn't use a combat engine.
I'm in that 1% then.
My pure torp ships have the luxury of keeping power to aux, engines and shields but I tend to use the AMACO set for those, so again I am back to Combat Engines.
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Question, for my Krenim sci ship running everything up to step 12 there, on a toon who's unlikely to get K-13 boffs soon, would it be a desirable thing to add the second part of the Nukara and Apex sets, or do you think it'd eat too much into the idea of using as may beams as possible for the polaron proc chance? ES3 is already at +/- 100 or so, polaron proc at 110, etc.
EDIT:
http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/495a3188fbd25a5030c3eba755b6c955
Assuming I can take the above and substitute 23c boffs eventually, could I then drop the Nukara dbb...or would it be best just to keep the SRO's I have in those posts now, retaining the build as shown?
F10 "tell @tobiashirt Combatlog OFF$$Combatlog 0"
F11 "tell @tobiashirt Combatlog ON$$Combatlog 1"
The above is how I write it into my bind-file, which gives me a tell with the text 'Combatlog ON/OFF', in addition to performing that action, when I press the corresponding function keys.
P.S. You need to fix that quote block hence why I replied without quoting that post.
So This is one of 3 specialty threads. One for Drain, Control X and Healing...
Some builds are here:
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1204182/the-science-ship-build-thread/p1
A fun one for playing with the Protonic polarons..
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1215401/protonic-kool-aid-down-the-drain-cruiser/p1
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Thanks, I had a feeling that was the case...it's nice to know the theoretical max, and also nice to know I wasn't missing much.
I assume the quote-block fix was the missing "[/quote]"? I think it's fixed, since my original response is now outside the quoted text
Edit: KCB without the set bonus instead of a torpedo? Or do you use the console with it?
I don't go for DPS bonuses usually so no. I just use it to have 3 omni beams in the back.
tobias - thanks very much for this. It works like a charm. And not only have you solved this one issue, but you've shown me how to hotkey command-line options, which has potential for a multitude of uses
Maybe you should take some time to read through this whole thing and learn more.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Guide:_Keybinds
https://www.sto-league.com/guides/ (Click on the example bindfile link at the end of the 'Basics' category)
The above example bindfile, for me, is useful for the ideas it gives about which powers etc to group together and execute in which order.
https://taskforcephoenix.wordpress.com/2013/08/01/keybinds-the-dr-nick-way/
Also has a few interesting ideas...it did a good job of getting me started and pointing out some things.
Oh, and 1337, another trick you might like if there are any emotes you want to bind in the chat bar:
"/bind f5 emote Salute" is my example, but that's the order of things if you know the name of the emote or command you want to use
i know the terran deflector is a given because it's still currently the only deflector with the highest drainx score, and i believe the temporal defense shields are the only shields with drainx on them, but what about the engines and core?
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I use the terran WC to get the Terran 2-piece drain bonus. Not sure if Romulans can squeeze more with a +drain singularity core since I don't use my Romulan much. As for engines, the [+Damp] R&D crafted engines are king.
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Some bosses like the Kithomer PvE one seem to have built-in immunity or ridiculously high resistance, but most can be disabled at above 600 drain skill.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
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"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Lol, the Borg Unimatrix AKA cigar is so easy to drain that it's sad. Takes me seconds to get that shield down.
Is there an objective best polaron type for this?
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Objective as to what drains best?
1) Dominion Polarons (shield and power drain procs)
2) Polarons (drain power)
As to damage and drain, then that prize I'd give to the polarized disruptors.
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Tykens 3 with aftershocks is also powerful with drains. Combined with solanae 2nd deflector and ES2, it's awesome.