#PracticalJokeGonePractical (see the spoiler). If not, put me down for a cute Sphere.
Ya know, that was my first guess... but the true horror of this being a real thing was too much for my brain.
Cryptic, if you read this? NEVER. DO. THIS.
Honestly, I'm hesitant for them to ever introduce T7 ships. I'd really hate for us to reach a point where the "end game" ships that people have being using possibly for years at this point are now completely obsolete and a genuine detriment to use anymore.
what like how we felt when they brought out the T6 ships? then to add insult to injury they have the cheek to charge us to upgrade T5 ships we spent money on.
so basically we had to pay zen on ships we had already bought with zen that were top tier before and it didn't even bring them up to the new top tier standards.
And with you saying that, we're back to 'Square One' (hmm, dibs on that name for my first T7 Borg Cube). Seriously, no need to get upset about it again; T7 won't be there for a long time, if ever. T6, the way I understand it, was primarily a one-time thing, basically to incite people to spend on Upgrades and all. In many ways, I bet the transition to T6 was as painful for Cryptic as it was to many players. But in the context of where the game was, I think it had to be done.
Meimei, you know, you have this annoying habit of posting thoughtful, intelligent, insightful comments, that are usually quite terse. You say more in a few sentences than most people can in a wall of text.
But, but, but, don't you know this is the intarwebz? You're supposed to be angry, rude, insulting!
And with you saying that, we're back to 'Square One' (hmm, dibs on that name for my first T7 Borg Cube). Seriously, no need to get upset about it again; T7 won't be there for a long time, if ever. T6, the way I understand it, was primarily a one-time thing, basically to incite people to spend on Upgrades and all. In many ways, I bet the transition to T6 was as painful for Cryptic as it was to many players. But in the context of where the game was, I think it had to be done.
Not sure about "more painful for them", at least in the longer run. But yes, the introduction of the T6 mechanic "Ship Masteries" introduced a major problem for putting another tier atop. Because it would mean that to gather those masteries, you'd need to get and fly sub-tier ships for quite a while. Even if T7 also had masteries, you may want others. Also the spec trees may cause strange side effects, albeit more minor, when a level "150" (counting spec points) suddenly may be lower tier than a true level 70. That would brush over quickly though. And let's not open the can of worms that is "Everybody is a Super-Presidential Fleet Admiral".
it would certainly have softened the blow if they had given a free T5-U upgrade and a paid upgrade to full T6 level, I would have even been happy to pay to upgrade many of the free event ships I had to T6 but there was no way I will ever pay to upgrade to T5-U for ships I had already paid for once without the assurance of a full upgrade to T6.
sure they came out with that "too much work" rubbish as an excuse but you cant tell me it would have been all that much more work to apply a T6 upgrade as opposed to a T5-U one, I just don't buy it.
not that I am worried about it as I know at this point its just a gag, I just couldn't let that "completely obsolete" comment go without pointing out that it has been done before.
Well, that's the way MMORPGs work though. You pay for something to be competitive. But to continue playing, you need some progression in the rewards, which will sooner or later (agreet, STO is heavily leaning towards "sooner" here) render your equipment/gear obsolete. And at least they gave the option of upgrading T5s - which you then can decide whether they're worth it or not - instead of just putting the higher tier there with no way of improving the stuff you've got, as would me the normal MO.
With that being said, T5-U is not obsolete at all. I am flying two of them as main ships on two of my toons (a Vesta and a KDF-Dyson) and they are absolutely competitive. The T5-U Scimitar was still the best ship for DPS maxing until the T6 Scimi came around. Unless you count everything even a fraction of a millionth of a percent below theoretical max "obsolete". But player skill in both setup and flying has a way larger impact on your performance in this game than the difference between T5-U and T6, heck, even between T5 and T6.
Yes, you're missing out on Masteries, and you'll probably need some to stay afloat, but you can a good chunk of useful ones (depending on play style) from free ships and mission rewards. And you're lacking the extra finesse some of the specialist seatings (Intel, Pilot, Command, Temporal) offer, but those - while fun, especially in min/maxing - aren't really needed either. You'll be weaker, but not in a way that renders everything "obsolete".
My mother was an epohh and my father smelled of tulaberries
And with you saying that, we're back to 'Square One' (hmm, dibs on that name for my first T7 Borg Cube). Seriously, no need to get upset about it again; T7 won't be there for a long time, if ever. T6, the way I understand it, was primarily a one-time thing, basically to incite people to spend on Upgrades and all. In many ways, I bet the transition to T6 was as painful for Cryptic as it was to many players. But in the context of where the game was, I think it had to be done.
Not sure about "more painful for them", at least in the longer run.
Which is why I was talking about the transition period. In the long run, yes, it was a very good thing for Cryptic (and the game itself, even). But they received a lot of flak over it. Like I mean, a lot. T5-U was an equitable and elegant solution, but still many ppl felt their old ships had either been obsoleted, or that they needed to pay twice for the T6 variant of their beloved ships (or pay extra for a T5-U). I don't think Cryptic necessarily wants to go thru all that again. A few ppl complainng is 'moaning' (*g*), but when half your player base is upset, it's uncomfortable for Cryptic too.
Besides, there's no need for T7 at all. Peeps have upgraded to the latest and shiniest by now, and power creep is at its apex. I mean, seriously, do we really need 12 console slots, 2 Cmdr seats, and 6 Tact consoles?! I was in a CSA, the other day, and a guy was doing 140K: by the time I reached the first Cube, the rest was already dead. If anything, we need a power creep sink (not sure what that would look like exactly, but it sounds funny).
And with you saying that, we're back to 'Square One' (hmm, dibs on that name for my first T7 Borg Cube). Seriously, no need to get upset about it again; T7 won't be there for a long time, if ever. T6, the way I understand it, was primarily a one-time thing, basically to incite people to spend on Upgrades and all. In many ways, I bet the transition to T6 was as painful for Cryptic as it was to many players. But in the context of where the game was, I think it had to be done.
Not sure about "more painful for them", at least in the longer run. But yes, the introduction of the T6 mechanic "Ship Masteries" introduced a major problem for putting another tier atop. Because it would mean that to gather those masteries, you'd need to get and fly sub-tier ships for quite a while. Even if T7 also had masteries, you may want others. Also the spec trees may cause strange side effects, albeit more minor, when a level "150" (counting spec points) suddenly may be lower tier than a true level 70. That would brush over quickly though. And let's not open the can of worms that is "Everybody is a Super-Presidential Fleet Admiral".
it would certainly have softened the blow if they had given a free T5-U upgrade and a paid upgrade to full T6 level, I would have even been happy to pay to upgrade many of the free event ships I had to T6 but there was no way I will ever pay to upgrade to T5-U for ships I had already paid for once without the assurance of a full upgrade to T6.
sure they came out with that "too much work" rubbish as an excuse but you cant tell me it would have been all that much more work to apply a T6 upgrade as opposed to a T5-U one, I just don't buy it.
not that I am worried about it as I know at this point its just a gag, I just couldn't let that "completely obsolete" comment go without pointing out that it has been done before.
Well, that's the way MMORPGs work though. You pay for something to be competitive. But to continue playing, you need some progression in the rewards, which will sooner or later (agreet, STO is heavily leaning towards "sooner" here) render your equipment/gear obsolete. And at least they gave the option of upgrading T5s - which you then can decide whether they're worth it or not - instead of just putting the higher tier there with no way of improving the stuff you've got, as would me the normal MO.
With that being said, T5-U is not obsolete at all. I am flying two of them as main ships on two of my toons (a Vesta and a KDF-Dyson) and they are absolutely competitive. The T5-U Scimitar was still the best ship for DPS maxing until the T6 Scimi came around. Unless you count everything even a fraction of a millionth of a percent below theoretical max "obsolete". But player skill in both setup and flying has a way larger impact on your performance in this game than the difference between T5-U and T6, heck, even between T5 and T6.
Yes, you're missing out on Masteries, and you'll probably need some to stay afloat, but you can a good chunk of useful ones (depending on play style) from free ships and mission rewards. And you're lacking the extra finesse some of the specialist seatings (Intel, Pilot, Command, Temporal) offer, but those - while fun, especially in min/maxing - aren't really needed either. You'll be weaker, but not in a way that renders everything "obsolete".
the point is many people paid money to buy T5 ships imagining that these were the best the game would ever offer then cryptic chose to move the goal posts by introducing T6 ships to the mix.
I am totally not against that move in itself, what I am against is the fact that they chose to charge a fee to upgrade the very ships that players had spent money on whilst giving free event ships an upgrade at no cost at all, if this isn't double standards I don't know what is, not to mention double dipping.
I would have had no problem paying for an upgrade to T6 even for the free event ships but the T5-U upgrades should have been free across the board even if T6 upgrades were never added.
add to this the fact that if T7 ships are ever added this will not only drive our T5 & T5-U ships further down the scale it will also effectively do the same to our T6 ships and we will likely be charged yet again to halfway upgrade our paid for T6 ships to T6-U.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
So? that always happens with level cap increases in games. Level 40 gear is never going to be appropriately balanced if it's as good as level 60 gear...
the point is many people paid money to buy T5 ships imagining that these were the best the game would ever offer then cryptic chose to move the goal posts by introducing T6 ships to the mix.
Well, but that's just the point. In an MMORPG you will never get "the best the game will ever offer" until very late in that game's life cycle. Assuming that you will be "set" at any point during the game in respect to that is a lack of informing yourself before buying stuff. Actually, not only in an MMORPG but in many, many areas in real life as well, although admittedly it is more artificial here. But it is a necessity to keep a game running with enough players still investing into it.
My mother was an epohh and my father smelled of tulaberries
the point is many people paid money to buy T5 ships imagining that these were the best the game would ever offer then cryptic chose to move the goal posts by introducing T6 ships to the mix.
Well, but that's just the point. In an MMORPG you will never get "the best the game will ever offer" until very late in that game's life cycle. Assuming that you will be "set" at any point during the game in respect to that is a lack of informing yourself before buying stuff. Actually, not only in an MMORPG but in many, many areas in real life as well, although admittedly it is more artificial here. But it is a necessity to keep a game running with enough players still investing into it.
like I said before its not so much the fact that they introduced the T6 ships that bother me, its the fact they charge players to upgrade c-store ships to T5-U.
if anything I think I would have preferred they gave no upgrade option at all rather then just charge for c-store ship upgrades.
it makes you feel like you are being punished for supporting the game.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Isn't there like more T6 ships now than T5 at this point? I'd call that a pretty good indication that T7 might not be too far off. Now, T6 has a lot more variation possibilities than T5 ever did however, so we could be in for a fair bit more T6 releases before T7 happens, but anyone who think T7 won't happen is definitely in denial. The sentiment now is absolutely the same as there was prior to T6 happening. The need for influx of money always rules, eternally.
I also look forward to T7, because I hope it might actually pave the way for potentially more true capitol ships. There will be unhappiness at first, just like it was when T6 showed up, but then the wallets quickly started to open. And, as history shows, it's bound to repeat itself
like I said before its not so much the fact that they introduced the T6 ships that bother me, its the fact they charge players to upgrade c-store ships to T5-U.
if anything I think I would have preferred they gave no upgrade option at all rather then just charge for c-store ship upgrades.
it makes you feel like you are being punished for supporting the game.
Okay, we have to agree to disagree here. I think it is better to have that option than to just have your old ship left where it stands. After all, you can still ignore this option.
My biggest problem with the whole T5-U mechanic is that is has become clear that it was never truly intended to be anything more than a placeholder; a good number of those ships that could be upgraded to T5-U or FT5-U have T6 and FT6 counterparts now.
Sadly, that lesson came at the cost of players upgrading ships only to discover that a T6 version of the ship they'd just upgraded was pending release.
Well, it sure ain't worth it to buy a T5 ship and the "U" it. But if you have a ship you like, 500Z for upgrading it may be better value for your money than buying the respective T6.
My mother was an epohh and my father smelled of tulaberries
My biggest problem with the whole T5-U mechanic is that is has become clear that it was never truly intended to be anything more than a placeholder; a good number of those ships that could be upgraded to T5-U or FT5-U have T6 and FT6 counterparts now.
Sadly, that lesson came at the cost of players upgrading ships only to discover that a T6 version of the ship they'd just upgraded was pending release.
Well, it sure ain't worth it to buy a T5 ship and the "U" it. But if you have a ship you like, 500Z for upgrading it may be better value for your money than buying the respective T6.
I believe Reyan was saying that if ppl had known T6 versions of their T5 ships were coming, they might have reconsidered getting all those T5-U tokens first. As if Cryptic were saying "Why, sorry, we can't make your existing ship T6, but here's T5-U for you, so you can at least upgrade it a bit." And then, lo and behold, many ships thereafter were released as T6 after all. Too long ago now to get all worked up about it again, but it was perhaps not very chique of Cryptic.
like I said before its not so much the fact that they introduced the T6 ships that bother me, its the fact they charge players to upgrade c-store ships to T5-U.
if anything I think I would have preferred they gave no upgrade option at all rather then just charge for c-store ship upgrades.
it makes you feel like you are being punished for supporting the game.
Okay, we have to agree to disagree here. I think it is better to have that option than to just have your old ship left where it stands. After all, you can still ignore this option.
like I said before its not so much the fact that they introduced the T6 ships that bother me, its the fact they charge players to upgrade c-store ships to T5-U.
if anything I think I would have preferred they gave no upgrade option at all rather then just charge for c-store ship upgrades.
it makes you feel like you are being punished for supporting the game.
Okay, we have to agree to disagree here. I think it is better to have that option than to just have your old ship left where it stands. After all, you can still ignore this option.
as I did with all of my ships that I couldn't upgrade for free, I'm not about to refuse a free upgrade if its there, I just don't agree with being penalised for spending zen on ships and having to spend more zen to upgrade them.
like I said I would have preferred they gave no upgrade option at all rather then do this but on the flip side I might as well get what I can if its there and costs me nothing.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
If, and I really mean IF, down the road T7's did happen then they need to revisit the ship levelling aspect. I hate the fact that you can master a ship with-in an hour in this game. The masteries were supposed to be you and your crew learning how to get the best out of your ship. What I'm basically picking up on is previous comments and requests about levelling up and sticking with the ship you start with, but not in that context. If they were to make an improvement track as per the choice of skills with-in character skill tree, you can effectively improve the ship over a longer period, but as I said, they need to keep progress slow enough so you feel you've got something useful from the ship other than a quick hour or 2 to grab that mastery and dump the ship, basically along half the timeframe of levelling your character!
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
like I said before its not so much the fact that they introduced the T6 ships that bother me, its the fact they charge players to upgrade c-store ships to T5-U.
if anything I think I would have preferred they gave no upgrade option at all rather then just charge for c-store ship upgrades.
it makes you feel like you are being punished for supporting the game.
Okay, we have to agree to disagree here. I think it is better to have that option than to just have your old ship left where it stands. After all, you can still ignore this option.
My biggest problem with the whole T5-U mechanic is that is has become clear that it was never truly intended to be anything more than a placeholder; a good number of those ships that could be upgraded to T5-U or FT5-U have T6 and FT6 counterparts now.
Sadly, that lesson came at the cost of players upgrading ships only to discover that a T6 version of the ship they'd just upgraded was pending release.
Well, it sure ain't worth it to buy a T5 ship and the "U" it. But if you have a ship you like, 500Z for upgrading it may be better value for your money than buying the respective T6.
Unlikely. Fleet ship = four or five modules at 700 zen each + 500zen upgrade.
C-store T5 ship = 2500 zen + upgrade
And keep in mind that, when they are new to the C-store, a single T6 ship is usually sold at 2500zen or thereabouts.
I thought it was 1 if you actually had the base ship unlocked?
My biggest problem with the whole T5-U mechanic is that is has become clear that it was never truly intended to be anything more than a placeholder; a good number of those ships that could be upgraded to T5-U or FT5-U have T6 and FT6 counterparts now.
Sadly, that lesson came at the cost of players upgrading ships only to discover that a T6 version of the ship they'd just upgraded was pending release.
Well, it sure ain't worth it to buy a T5 ship and the "U" it. But if you have a ship you like, 500Z for upgrading it may be better value for your money than buying the respective T6.
I believe Reyan was saying that if ppl had known T6 versions of their T5 ships were coming, they might have reconsidered getting all those T5-U tokens first. As if Cryptic were saying "Why, sorry, we can't make your existing ship T6, but here's T5-U for you, so you can at least upgrade it a bit." And then, lo and behold, many ships thereafter were released as T6 after all. Too long ago now to get all worked up about it again, but it was perhaps not very chique of Cryptic.
Yes i think that is where he's coming from. It was sold to us as if we'd need those T5-U's at better versions might not appear, and then within months they were dropping the T6's in all over the place.
They won't be able to pull that trick off again, people know what will happen and won't be fooled again.
Even worse for poor @reyan01 is the fact that despite all the ships that HAVE been re-released as T6, his beloved Rhode Island is still being ignored despite being a hero ship in the DQ campaign! It's the ultimate insult!
Even worse for poor @reyan01 is the fact that despite all the ships that HAVE been re-released as T6, his beloved Rhode Island is still being ignored despite being a hero ship in the DQ campaign! It's the ultimate insult!
^^ I'm all for this! Please, give the man his T6 Rhode Island! Anyone playing a lower-tier ship for so long, simply deserves to see his unswerving loyalty finally rewarded with a T6 version thereof. Cryptic, if you're doing a T6 Nebula, might as well go T6 Rhode Island too.
Well... I don't think it's going to be long before we see T7 ships, and this would not be an unrealistic introduction.
I think we have quite a bit longer to wait, if it ever happens at all. Cryptic would have to have some selling point to introduce them and there's nothing really they can add over another console slot and BOFF slot that T6 doesn't already offer. (Monetary wise being the real only reason to ever introduce them and if there's no selling point gimmick they won't do it) Can you realistically think of anything they could add to make them more appealing then T6 or worth the higher cost? Maybe one or two more weapon slots but that's not really worth having to then redo all the promo ships again, AND redo all the main ships like the command ships with their next evolution, AND having to come up with new traits for ships they already put out before for their new T7 versions, AND just the general annoyance of having another tier on top of the one we already have. That's a lot of work for pretty much no benefit because there's no monetary incentive to do so because there's no benefit to them over cranking out more T6's.
If the level cap is firmly in place with specializations now being the "new leveling option" I really don't see why T7 would ever happen.
Well... I don't think it's going to be long before we see T7 ships, and this would not be an unrealistic introduction.
I think we have quite a bit longer to wait, if it ever happens at all. Cryptic would have to have some selling point to introduce them and there's nothing really they can add over another console slot and BOFF slot that T6 doesn't already offer. (Monetary wise being the real only reason to ever introduce them and if there's no selling point gimmick they won't do it) Can you realistically think of anything they could add to make them more appealing then T6 or worth the higher cost? Maybe one or two more weapon slots but that's not really worth having to then redo all the promo ships again, AND redo all the main ships like the command ships with their next evolution, AND having to come up with new traits for ships they already put out before for their new T7 versions, AND just the general annoyance of having another tier on top of the one we already have. That's a lot of work for pretty much no benefit because there's no monetary incentive to do so because there's no benefit to them over cranking out more T6's.
If the level cap is firmly in place with specializations now being the "new leveling option" I really don't see why T7 would ever happen.
Ya, nope...
They introduced T6 before, and there was really no point in them doing do...
Special BO seats? They could have added those to T5...
Higher stats? Could have added those to non-seated ships...
Redoing all the ships? Well it's not like they aren't introducing new ships on a regular basis already, and since people are willing to pay for masterkeys for the slim chance to get a ship they will fly for a few weeks/months and then never again, they could milk this pretty easily.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
Unlikely. Fleet ship = four or five modules at 700 zen each + 500zen upgrade.
C-store T5 ship = 2500 zen + upgrade
And keep in mind that, when they are new to the C-store, a single T6 ship is usually sold at 2500zen or thereabouts.
My calculation went as follows:
You have a T5 ship. There is a T6 version of said ship.
The T6 will cost you 3000 (maybe less on a deal), the upgrade only 500. It may be more desirable to you to forego a console and a spec seating and save 2500.
I just don't agree with being penalised for spending zen on ships and having to spend more zen to upgrade them.
You're not being penalized though. You got exactly the ship you paid for. You knew the stats when you bought it and you got them. You did not buy a lifetime support of patches and/or upgrades if they came along. It's a bit like you bought a game and then a DLC that improves the game comes along. You can ignore it, buy it, or switch to a different better game that came out in the meantime. But you still got what you paid for.
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dont forget the enhanced battle cloak for it
Meimei, you know, you have this annoying habit of posting thoughtful, intelligent, insightful comments, that are usually quite terse. You say more in a few sentences than most people can in a wall of text.
But, but, but, don't you know this is the intarwebz? You're supposed to be angry, rude, insulting!
There was a guy in QWW the other day, not getting angry but remaining calm when contradicted. We told him "Change or leave"
Not sure about "more painful for them", at least in the longer run. But yes, the introduction of the T6 mechanic "Ship Masteries" introduced a major problem for putting another tier atop. Because it would mean that to gather those masteries, you'd need to get and fly sub-tier ships for quite a while. Even if T7 also had masteries, you may want others. Also the spec trees may cause strange side effects, albeit more minor, when a level "150" (counting spec points) suddenly may be lower tier than a true level 70. That would brush over quickly though. And let's not open the can of worms that is "Everybody is a Super-Presidential Fleet Admiral".
Well, that's the way MMORPGs work though. You pay for something to be competitive. But to continue playing, you need some progression in the rewards, which will sooner or later (agreet, STO is heavily leaning towards "sooner" here) render your equipment/gear obsolete. And at least they gave the option of upgrading T5s - which you then can decide whether they're worth it or not - instead of just putting the higher tier there with no way of improving the stuff you've got, as would me the normal MO.
With that being said, T5-U is not obsolete at all. I am flying two of them as main ships on two of my toons (a Vesta and a KDF-Dyson) and they are absolutely competitive. The T5-U Scimitar was still the best ship for DPS maxing until the T6 Scimi came around. Unless you count everything even a fraction of a millionth of a percent below theoretical max "obsolete". But player skill in both setup and flying has a way larger impact on your performance in this game than the difference between T5-U and T6, heck, even between T5 and T6.
Yes, you're missing out on Masteries, and you'll probably need some to stay afloat, but you can a good chunk of useful ones (depending on play style) from free ships and mission rewards. And you're lacking the extra finesse some of the specialist seatings (Intel, Pilot, Command, Temporal) offer, but those - while fun, especially in min/maxing - aren't really needed either. You'll be weaker, but not in a way that renders everything "obsolete".
Which is why I was talking about the transition period.
Besides, there's no need for T7 at all. Peeps have upgraded to the latest and shiniest by now, and power creep is at its apex. I mean, seriously, do we really need 12 console slots, 2 Cmdr seats, and 6 Tact consoles?! I was in a CSA, the other day, and a guy was doing 140K: by the time I reached the first Cube, the rest was already dead. If anything, we need a power creep sink (not sure what that would look like exactly, but it sounds funny).
My character Tsin'xing
the point is many people paid money to buy T5 ships imagining that these were the best the game would ever offer then cryptic chose to move the goal posts by introducing T6 ships to the mix.
I am totally not against that move in itself, what I am against is the fact that they chose to charge a fee to upgrade the very ships that players had spent money on whilst giving free event ships an upgrade at no cost at all, if this isn't double standards I don't know what is, not to mention double dipping.
I would have had no problem paying for an upgrade to T6 even for the free event ships but the T5-U upgrades should have been free across the board even if T6 upgrades were never added.
add to this the fact that if T7 ships are ever added this will not only drive our T5 & T5-U ships further down the scale it will also effectively do the same to our T6 ships and we will likely be charged yet again to halfway upgrade our paid for T6 ships to T6-U.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
My character Tsin'xing
Well, but that's just the point. In an MMORPG you will never get "the best the game will ever offer" until very late in that game's life cycle. Assuming that you will be "set" at any point during the game in respect to that is a lack of informing yourself before buying stuff. Actually, not only in an MMORPG but in many, many areas in real life as well, although admittedly it is more artificial here. But it is a necessity to keep a game running with enough players still investing into it.
like I said before its not so much the fact that they introduced the T6 ships that bother me, its the fact they charge players to upgrade c-store ships to T5-U.
if anything I think I would have preferred they gave no upgrade option at all rather then just charge for c-store ship upgrades.
it makes you feel like you are being punished for supporting the game.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I also look forward to T7, because I hope it might actually pave the way for potentially more true capitol ships. There will be unhappiness at first, just like it was when T6 showed up, but then the wallets quickly started to open. And, as history shows, it's bound to repeat itself
I will be sure to remember this, come that day, hehe!
Okay, we have to agree to disagree here. I think it is better to have that option than to just have your old ship left where it stands. After all, you can still ignore this option.
Well, it sure ain't worth it to buy a T5 ship and the "U" it. But if you have a ship you like, 500Z for upgrading it may be better value for your money than buying the respective T6.
I don't know why I laugh so much at this... Can't wait for you have in stock for us on April Kael
I believe Reyan was saying that if ppl had known T6 versions of their T5 ships were coming, they might have reconsidered getting all those T5-U tokens first. As if Cryptic were saying "Why, sorry, we can't make your existing ship T6, but here's T5-U for you, so you can at least upgrade it a bit." And then, lo and behold, many ships thereafter were released as T6 after all. Too long ago now to get all worked up about it again, but it was perhaps not very chique of Cryptic.
Indeed. My Nova crew agrees wholeheartedly.
as I did with all of my ships that I couldn't upgrade for free, I'm not about to refuse a free upgrade if its there, I just don't agree with being penalised for spending zen on ships and having to spend more zen to upgrade them.
like I said I would have preferred they gave no upgrade option at all rather then do this but on the flip side I might as well get what I can if its there and costs me nothing.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
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Yes i think that is where he's coming from. It was sold to us as if we'd need those T5-U's at better versions might not appear, and then within months they were dropping the T6's in all over the place.
They won't be able to pull that trick off again, people know what will happen and won't be fooled again.
Even worse for poor @reyan01 is the fact that despite all the ships that HAVE been re-released as T6, his beloved Rhode Island is still being ignored despite being a hero ship in the DQ campaign! It's the ultimate insult!
^^ I'm all for this! Please, give the man his T6 Rhode Island! Anyone playing a lower-tier ship for so long, simply deserves to see his unswerving loyalty finally rewarded with a T6 version thereof.
I think we have quite a bit longer to wait, if it ever happens at all. Cryptic would have to have some selling point to introduce them and there's nothing really they can add over another console slot and BOFF slot that T6 doesn't already offer. (Monetary wise being the real only reason to ever introduce them and if there's no selling point gimmick they won't do it) Can you realistically think of anything they could add to make them more appealing then T6 or worth the higher cost? Maybe one or two more weapon slots but that's not really worth having to then redo all the promo ships again, AND redo all the main ships like the command ships with their next evolution, AND having to come up with new traits for ships they already put out before for their new T7 versions, AND just the general annoyance of having another tier on top of the one we already have. That's a lot of work for pretty much no benefit because there's no monetary incentive to do so because there's no benefit to them over cranking out more T6's.
If the level cap is firmly in place with specializations now being the "new leveling option" I really don't see why T7 would ever happen.
Ya, nope...
They introduced T6 before, and there was really no point in them doing do...
Special BO seats? They could have added those to T5...
Higher stats? Could have added those to non-seated ships...
Redoing all the ships? Well it's not like they aren't introducing new ships on a regular basis already, and since people are willing to pay for masterkeys for the slim chance to get a ship they will fly for a few weeks/months and then never again, they could milk this pretty easily.
My calculation went as follows:
You have a T5 ship. There is a T6 version of said ship.
The T6 will cost you 3000 (maybe less on a deal), the upgrade only 500. It may be more desirable to you to forego a console and a spec seating and save 2500.
You're not being penalized though. You got exactly the ship you paid for. You knew the stats when you bought it and you got them. You did not buy a lifetime support of patches and/or upgrades if they came along. It's a bit like you bought a game and then a DLC that improves the game comes along. You can ignore it, buy it, or switch to a different better game that came out in the meantime. But you still got what you paid for.