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Hello all,

Started playing this game this summer and it's been a steep learning curve at times but generally quite enjoyable. I've reached the Endgame for all 3 of my characters and as I have been researching high DPS builds have learned that many Starship traits, consoles and bonus event items are fantastic for Endgame but were time limited in terms of availability for specific event periods. For those that received these event items, kudos for spending the time to acquire them! I'd like to suggest to the developers the idea of making these event items and bonuses available for those that were not playing Star Trek Online and thus did not have the opportunity to earn these items.

I myself purchased a Lifetime subscription this summer after about a month of playing as a way of catching up; access to content and perks to speed up the grind. I also purchase the Delta Rising and Temporal Agent Founders packages. Currently I find it a bit frustrating to learn that there are quite a few items, traits, ships and recruitment bonuses, etc that are a big asset in the Elite and Advance queues that are unavailable due to not having started playing the game when they were available. Speaking for myself, I'd be more than happy to pay a small premium to have the chance to earn some if not all of these items, traits and bonuses that came before my time in Star Trek Online.

I realize that Star Trek Online is a business for Cryptic, hence the suggestion to make this content available for Lifetime subscribers at a small premium as a way to offset the cost of the effort to implement making that content available(Nevermind providing added incentive to purchase a Lifetime subscription and support Cryptic's efforts in this game). If some of the content could be made available via lockbox perhaps that would also be a possibility so that the whole community could also benefit.

I'd welcome any ideas and any discussion on this matter.

Thanks for your consideration!

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,604 Community Moderator
    Not every event reward is actually needed to be good with DPS. While I'm not a DPSer, I do have some of these reward items and honestly... they are fun but not a requirement. It is possible to do well with what's widely available. I mean... level a Phantom, and you get one of the good ship traits in Reciprosity.

    I do admit though that I feel putting setpiece items on a limited reward ship is a bad move. The Kobali core from the Samsar is a pretty nice one, and the full Kobali set could be in the running for tank builds with the added heals it provides. Yet that piece was ONLY available on the Samsar. Having some way to complete these sets would be nice, but I don't think a Lifer perk would appease the masses. The forums can ignite into a firestorm pretty easily.
    Lockbox might be the lesser of the evils in this case, and would also mean a bit more money in Cryptic's pocket for development of new things for us to play with.

    And maybe they'd finally let Tacofangs have a go at DS9.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,666 Arc User
    I'm fine with putting all the event ship consoles in the lobi store or infinity lockbox.

    Cryptic wants the ships to be exclusive to events, so that players do not take the events for granted and fail to show up for them. This keeps that, while letting people complete their console sets.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,604 Community Moderator
    Huh... yea... Infinity Box... that would work...

    We only have about... what? 3 times a year or so when the Infinity Box drops?
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • tenore#0775 tenore Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    I'm a bit of a min/maxer.... okay, well maybe more than a bit. lol The event rewards for me aren't a need but more of it'd be nice to have.

    I'm not intending to start a firestorm but can see how that might come about. I suppose the idea to have the rewards available to Lifetime Subs is more about maintaining the exclusivity of the Event content but making it available to those that are willing to pay a premium for it as a benefit of subscribing, keeping in line with having full veteran benefits retroactively. I think it would be great if event content would be available via lockbox for everyone but that might be a long shot.

    Tacofangs?
  • tenore#0775 tenore Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    Consoles via lockbox or the lobi store would be a nice compromise as well. Perhaps starship traits reward packs could follow the same format?
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,604 Community Moderator
    Tacofangs is the head Environmental Artist. Some of his work can be seen in ESDs interior. Also, he is one of our Forum Overlords as elected by the forumites.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    My beef with lock-boxes, is that I've no way of knowing what I might get, so I can't gauge if the cost of a key is actually worth it for me. My situation is that I need to justify said expenses like that, and while I can afford to spend the money, I can't afford to waste it... Equally, I don't want to waste it on an item I might not even want... Will I be getting a ship? A console? A weapon or other component? A BOFF? That matters, to if I'll consider getting a key to use... If I don't want what's in the box, why should I waste my resources opening it to find out if I want it or not? Even if they were to just be color-coded to give an indication of what kind of item is inside, ie ship, console, BOFF, weapons etc, that would allow me (and anyone else) to then make the informed choice of "I want to pick this box up, not that one... I want to open this box today, not that one..." Making sure that something comes out of each box means that technically speaking, the player isn't gambling (because they are getting something for their money, but it is still a gamble, in terms of what that 'something' actually is, and until there is a definite indication, I'm not wasting the resources to open them...

    My suggestion for a solution, is to make all items and content freely available via the C Store, that way a player can see what's available, then decide if they want it or not... If they want it, they buy it... If they don't, then they ...don't B)
  • tenore#0775 tenore Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    That seems pretty reasonable to me. While I also can afford to spend the money, I would rather buy what I want rather than leave it up to a lottery...
  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    That seems pretty reasonable to me. While I also can afford to spend the money, I would rather buy what I want rather than leave it up to a lottery...
    It's the utter random-factor of the lockboxes which I have issue with, not in terms of a moral objection to gambling, because that doesn't bother me, but that I like to at least know what I'm playing for :D I'd rather grind a mission three times to get a full set which I know I would like to acquire, than spend the $$/€C/Ż to take a chance on getting 'something cool' :D
  • tenore#0775 tenore Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    That seems pretty reasonable to me. While I also can afford to spend the money, I would rather buy what I want rather than leave it up to a lottery...
    It's the utter random-factor of the lockboxes which I have issue with, not in terms of a moral objection to gambling, because that doesn't bother me, but that I like to at least know what I'm playing for :D I'd rather grind a mission three times to get a full set which I know I would like to acquire, than spend the $$/€C/Ż to take a chance on getting 'something cool' :D

    Hear, hear!
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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    Hello all,

    Started playing this game this summer and it's been a steep learning curve at times but generally quite enjoyable. I've reached the Endgame for all 3 of my characters and as I have been researching high DPS builds have learned that many Starship traits, consoles and bonus event items are fantastic for Endgame but were time limited in terms of availability for specific event periods. For those that received these event items, kudos for spending the time to acquire them! I'd like to suggest to the developers the idea of making these event items and bonuses available for those that were not playing Star Trek Online and thus did not have the opportunity to earn these items.

    I myself purchased a Lifetime subscription this summer after about a month of playing as a way of catching up; access to content and perks to speed up the grind. I also purchase the Delta Rising and Temporal Agent Founders packages. Currently I find it a bit frustrating to learn that there are quite a few items, traits, ships and recruitment bonuses, etc that are a big asset in the Elite and Advance queues that are unavailable due to not having started playing the game when they were available. Speaking for myself, I'd be more than happy to pay a small premium to have the chance to earn some if not all of these items, traits and bonuses that came before my time in Star Trek Online.

    I realize that Star Trek Online is a business for Cryptic, hence the suggestion to make this content available for Lifetime subscribers at a small premium as a way to offset the cost of the effort to implement making that content available(Nevermind providing added incentive to purchase a Lifetime subscription and support Cryptic's efforts in this game). If some of the content could be made available via lockbox perhaps that would also be a possibility so that the whole community could also benefit.

    I'd welcome any ideas and any discussion on this matter.

    Thanks for your consideration!

    Ok though im not a DPS junkie i do know a few tricks

    1) get a plasmonic leach

    2) FAW is your friend

    3) Mix and match your gear and setups to maximise the damage you do and how fast you can do it

    4) Try a rainbow build they can be brutal though an eyesore for sure lol

    5) The type of ship can play a role so be mindfull of what you want and which ship will get you there for DPS get a escort or a cruiser with atleast 4x tac consoles bare min.

    also try getting the info for the DPS league chat channel you might be able to learn more from those players who ARE dps junkies , well anyways op theres a few things to help ya and good luck :)
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    Being able to grind for each previous Event ship, put them in the Lobi Store, or purchase their appropriate pearls/voucher/photograph from the Lobi Store would certainly go along way for helping newcomers. The same could be said for doing the same for the Mirror Invasion and Crystalline Entity Event rewards. Not everyone wants to go after a Duty Officer or Admiralty Card, but a space pet or shotgun is far more desirable. Limited Time rewards have always punished newcomers for not playing the game before they knew about it.

    However, restricting old event rewards to Lifers is something that should be avoided like the plague. Either everyone has access to the old event rewards or no one does.
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  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    If a character costume cost more than a mil dil then you can bet you sweet bippi that if they were to put in an event ship that thing will be like 20 or 30 mil dil easy.
  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    Hello all,

    Started playing this game this summer and it's been a steep learning curve at times but generally quite enjoyable. I've reached the Endgame for all 3 of my characters and as I have been researching high DPS builds have learned that many Starship traits, consoles and bonus event items are fantastic for Endgame but were time limited in terms of availability for specific event periods. For those that received these event items, kudos for spending the time to acquire them! I'd like to suggest to the developers the idea of making these event items and bonuses available for those that were not playing Star Trek Online and thus did not have the opportunity to earn these items.

    I myself purchased a Lifetime subscription this summer after about a month of playing as a way of catching up; access to content and perks to speed up the grind. I also purchase the Delta Rising and Temporal Agent Founders packages. Currently I find it a bit frustrating to learn that there are quite a few items, traits, ships and recruitment bonuses, etc that are a big asset in the Elite and Advance queues that are unavailable due to not having started playing the game when they were available. Speaking for myself, I'd be more than happy to pay a small premium to have the chance to earn some if not all of these items, traits and bonuses that came before my time in Star Trek Online.

    I realize that Star Trek Online is a business for Cryptic, hence the suggestion to make this content available for Lifetime subscribers at a small premium as a way to offset the cost of the effort to implement making that content available(Nevermind providing added incentive to purchase a Lifetime subscription and support Cryptic's efforts in this game). If some of the content could be made available via lockbox perhaps that would also be a possibility so that the whole community could also benefit.

    I'd welcome any ideas and any discussion on this matter.

    Thanks for your consideration!

    the thing is every T6 ship has a trait and you will find it very costly to buy every c-store T6 ship there is so you will be "missing out " on a lot of traits there also.
    add to this the fact that some traits are faction specific so you cant use these on all of your characters.

    when you also consider that you only have a limited number of starship traits you can slot anyway (each player has four trait slots available; 1 extra slot is purchasable at the Fleet Research Lab.) and you begin to see how unimportant it is missing out on the small number you will never get due to event exclusivity.

    therefore my advise, stop worrying over traits you don't have and just use the ones you do have.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

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  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    Im just going off of comparative values.
  • fluorescentblackfluorescentblack Member Posts: 79 Arc User
    An LTM only vendor that sells event items sounds like a terrific idea. More LTM's would sell and less people would leave for missing that thing they wanted.
    Leader of The Temporal Guard and Temporal Defence Force
  • nekofury86nekofury86 Member Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    I would like my new job to also pay me for the last 30 years of my life that I had not worked there, but wish I had.

    Obvious incoming sarcasm aside, I just became a LTS member myself, finally after 2 years (Cha Ching, YES! I have the delta and temporal recruit rewards!). Anyway, bragging aside, I would really like to see more exclusive LTS stuff, I was rather disappointed with my first trip to the captains table.

    I do, however, disagree with the OP. It's like saying, I demand the same pay as the person whose been working here for 20 years even though I just got here. Not really fair to the person that has been here for 20 years.... yeah yeah, another "job" analogy, but not really a bad one either.
  • nekofury86nekofury86 Member Posts: 181 Arc User
    My beef with lock-boxes, is that I've no way of knowing what I might get, so I can't gauge if the cost of a key is actually worth it for me.

    Yeah, and every poker player ever would go all in if the new every other player was bluffing. Lock boxes is a gamble, you're not suppose to know what you're going to get, otherwise everyone would be opening them, or not... if they knew what was inside that box. Then again, in a stack of 20, how do you know which box you open? Could be the top box, bottom, or one in between.... oh well now I'm just getting silly, good thing I'm not the only one.
  • Only a nice idea, i disagree.

    I checked the Dyson Bundle and it has a part of its set in an event ship, same with Tier 6 flagships.
    These old event ships + consoles are literally the only thing a LTS can miss.
    Sure all these event ships, are cool and strong but over time newer and better stuff comes out.

    They dont really care giving it to lifers as lifers already payed to stick arround for the next cyle(s).
  • nekofury86nekofury86 Member Posts: 181 Arc User
    Only a nice idea, i disagree.

    I checked the Dyson Bundle and it has a part of its set in an event ship, same with Tier 6 flagships.
    These old event ships + consoles are literally the only thing a LTS can miss.
    Sure all these event ships, are cool and strong but over time newer and better stuff comes out.

    They dont really care giving it to lifers as lifers already payed to stick arround for the next cyle(s).

    It's not like "lifers" get a back pay of every event ever or any at all for that matter. The unique thing about events is, they come and go, hop on the bandwagon when it comes around or you'll miss it, if you miss you do not get another chance to get it, lifer or not. Us lifers only get a select FEW things that non-lifers do not get. A couple ships, uniforms, a BOFF, a unique very sexy ship skin and a few others including the benefits of having a subscription without paying monthly for it, we just get a few extra bonus for paying a lump sum. However, to attract new lifers, especially noobs with a burning wallet, they should add some more enticing stuff.
  • wendysue53wendysue53 Member Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    would think it would take more than a few doodads and geegaws to qualify as new content.
  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 2,667 Bug Hunter
    edited November 2016
    Consoles via lockbox or the lobi store would be a nice compromise as well. Perhaps starship traits reward packs could follow the same format?

    Well you do this today with console packs available from different lockboxes at times, these offer starship trait's often from enemy factions starships that are available in the CSTORE.
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  • xyquarzexyquarze Member Posts: 2,120 Arc User
    Old event ships should cost something like 1m dilithium.

    Game desperately needs big new dil sinks.

    Guess the idea could work in theory. However, those who actually can afford 1m of dil are most probably the ones who have played every T6 ship rewarding event and won't pay for it, so dil isn't sinking.
    My mother was an epohh and my father smelled of tulaberries
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    I like Druk's request/suggestion from a previous thread. Old event currencies can already be acquired by using lobi. Simply add the ability to slot the projects when the events come around. I also agree with the idea that the devs want people to play the event but the incredible tediousness and expense of trading lobi for old currency is a fair penalty for missing the event. If I remember correctly, completing the project via lobi requires something like 1,500 lobi on average.

    I disagree with the premise of the thread title that it should be specifically for LTS. If it's introduced, it should be for everyone.
    When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    nekofury86 wrote: »
    I would like my new job to also pay me for the last 30 years of my life that I had not worked there, but wish I had.

    Obvious incoming sarcasm aside, I just became a LTS member myself, finally after 2 years (Cha Ching, YES! I have the delta and temporal recruit rewards!). Anyway, bragging aside, I would really like to see more exclusive LTS stuff, I was rather disappointed with my first trip to the captains table.

    I do, however, disagree with the OP. It's like saying, I demand the same pay as the person whose been working here for 20 years even though I just got here. Not really fair to the person that has been here for 20 years.... yeah yeah, another "job" analogy, but not really a bad one either.

    i agree, for the most part lifetime rewards are intended to give you things you cannot and never could get in the game, you can have more bank slots and inventory slots then any non lifer can have, you can have ships and other items that non lifers can never have and so on, lifetime rewards are not meant give you things you could have got if you had been playing longer.
    also adding things to the lifetime rewards is not only meant to reward new lifers but also long term lifers, adding rewards for new lifers to have access to past event rewards does not reward long term lifers as much as it rewards recent or new lifers so this would be grossly unfair to long term lifers who paid years ago when cost of living made the lifetime package relatively much more expensive then it is now.
    Post edited by bobbydazlers on

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 2,667 Bug Hunter
    edited November 2016
    Also someone said some starship TRAITS are faction specific. TRUE, but lockboxes also award Starships Traits from Enemy Factions. :D

    If you search REWARD PACKS you find some of the more recently awarded Starship Trait's people are selling from lockboxes if you search Rare Rewards for "Trait". :)
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  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    Being able to grind for each previous Event ship, put them in the Lobi Store, or purchase their appropriate pearls/voucher/photograph from the Lobi Store would certainly go along way for helping newcomers. The same could be said for doing the same for the Mirror Invasion and Crystalline Entity Event rewards. Not everyone wants to go after a Duty Officer or Admiralty Card, but a space pet or shotgun is far more desirable. Limited Time rewards have always punished newcomers for not playing the game before they knew about it.

    However, restricting old event rewards to Lifers is something that should be avoided like the plague. Either everyone has access to the old event rewards or no one does.

    so in other words "if I cant have it no one can"

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

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