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oliviaclaire
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There are three tabs on the main website: PC, XBOX ONE and PS4. The PC and the console tabs have their own news sections because there are enough differences between those versions of the game. The console gamers have confirmed it too. According to Cryptic's statistics, there are over a million STO gamers [captains] on the consoles. Don't they deserve their own forums?
Furthermore, if the console forums ever happen to have more activity in the Klingon and the Romulan sub-forums, then it would be a good indication of their popularity. That means Cryptic would finally have a chance to develop more unique faction content for them. In turn, that content could be implemented into the PC version of the game.
Just wondering.
UPDATE:
Cryptic claims that there are 1,104,000 captains between September 6th and October 27th. According to STO Wiki, the maximum amount of characters per account is 46 with purchases and unlocks. Even if every single account unlocked the maximum number of character slots and filled them with captains within the 51-day period, that would still make for 24,000 accounts. And that is an extreme-case scenario. Of course, some people might have more than a single account but that's unlikely to be the majority.
Furthermore, if the console forums ever happen to have more activity in the Klingon and the Romulan sub-forums, then it would be a good indication of their popularity. That means Cryptic would finally have a chance to develop more unique faction content for them. In turn, that content could be implemented into the PC version of the game.
Just wondering.
UPDATE:
Cryptic claims that there are 1,104,000 captains between September 6th and October 27th. According to STO Wiki, the maximum amount of characters per account is 46 with purchases and unlocks. Even if every single account unlocked the maximum number of character slots and filled them with captains within the 51-day period, that would still make for 24,000 accounts. And that is an extreme-case scenario. Of course, some people might have more than a single account but that's unlikely to be the majority.
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To quote Admiral Ackbar... "It's a trap!"
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
At least you kept it brief and made a fair point for once.
No need to goad her back towards outrageous conspiracy theories.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?
The main differences in the game between PC and Console are the timeline (approx 4-6 months behind on console) and the UI. The mechanics of the game are equal. I've said previously the only 'console' forum sections would be for 'Feedback', 'Support' and 'Academy', otherwise everything else in the standard forums are relevant to all platforms. However, posters need only spend the 0.3 seconds required to prefix their posts with the platform they are on to highlight such. Once again, laziness by posters is trumping what actually matters.
Because they had good intentions and...
Got side tracked
Got busy
Bit off more than they could chew
Taking their time with it because low priority
To tease us and incur infighting
I just fell for the troll bait. I couldnt resist.
Everything they do starts with good intentions.
It's a reporting error, everything is fine.
The forums are there and the players love it.
...That would be a far more effective argument if I wasn't a conspiracy theorist. FYI, tinfoil hats actually amplify, not block. Don't use them.
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
I suspect it was actually quite useful to have the forums for all 3 platforms focused at one point: Sure, there is some confusion, but there is a huge amount of questions that PC gamers can answer. And how many PC players would venture into the console forums to help out there?
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Although we have been getting mixed threads from console players asking something and us PC players don't know it until a few posts in, thus adding to the confusion.
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Since they launched the console version, they've had to get ready for several events lined up, including the current Crystaline Entity, and the upcoming Winter Event.
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When someone asks about whether LTM is worth it, this question has many different factors between consoles and pcs.
Let's talk about issues comprising Agents of Tomorrow... oh wait... consoles don't have that.
Oh, how about r&d... nope... not for consoles. Which, btw, I love how the news screen on my x1 advertises r&d weekend when WE DON'T HAVE R&D (yet)!!!!!
My point is, a person can bring up a topic concerning ps4 and it has a high probablilty of applying to x1 or vice versa. But there is MUCH less in common between console and pc.
I get that pc people may dislike that they have console players invading the game they helped build over the years, are intermingled with thier forum, are making posts with requests or demands for change, etc.
But don't forget, picking up sto for x1 and ps4 breathed fiscal life back into this game for cryptic/arc/perfect world and injecting funds only helps the company keep this game going.
What I hope doesn't happen is console players are treated like second class citizens by little things like not having a console forum or how our LTM doesn't include zen (but our LTM is a lot cheaper, so that sorta makes sense).
I honestly can't believe people think segregation is such a great idea, I mean it worked so well in the past right?...
Aaaaaaand, once again, you just don't pay attention. The content that is in the console version IS IN THE PC VERSION! Oh, and by the way my dear, I do play on XB1 AND PC. The UI and Controls are literally the only differences. I've said, time and time again, that content on the consoles is going to be about 6 months behind AND is awaiting numerous systems to be incorporated as Cryptic said before the release.
Now please stop stirring the pot!
I'm sure the fact those tabs exist at all could be indication that there are plans to set up forums once the console versions are more established. I believe Neverwinter does have seperate console and PC forums, or seperate sections on the forums dedicated to Console only at the very least. Right now for STO its a bit of a clusterfrak of PC and Console until things get sorted out. Might be after the Anniversary Event that we'll see some action because this time of year is pretty hectic based on events alone. Winter followed by Anniversary shortly after that.
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Here's the core point for me. And pc famers, please don't take offense. But there is... there is... a difference between pc gamers abd console gamers and the gaming industry has recognized that there is a difference in play style, acceptable developer practice (i.e. pc gamers are more open to subscription based games where console players won't stand for it, that eso for example), and gamer attitude in general.
I may be a x1 player and another my be a ps4 player, but we are more alike in how we think than we are compared to a pc gamer.
Why would I like a separate forum, so the people I'm chatting with see the world through my eyes. Again, console players don't accept subscription based games or we don't have to upgrade the components to our system, like the video card, after so many years just so that we can keep playing games.
Why do I want separate forums? Because if this were a console forum, I wouldn't have to explain this. It'd already be understood, we *are* a different gamer.
Yes, those games also maintained the different versions in unison but we aren't that far off from being the same. A little time and patience and we should all be in a place where anyone can ask a question and not get three different answers. I'd rather be ready for that time than have to jump between forums to get the answers I seek. Selfish, yes, but is it really a bad selfishness?
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> ...That would be a far more effective argument if I wasn't a conspiracy theorist. FYI, tinfoil hats actually amplify, not block. Don't use them.
I think the idea of tinfoil hats bllocking stuff was started with someone seeing chaff, and thought it worked the same way but uhm...nice....
Console players are generally the most fickle and get shinnied all the time... you throw a broken game at the market with those attitudes AND don't fix a damn thing... sorry I rant, but consoles will never have their own forums for tht reason alone. Will to accurately show the lack of engagement and negative trends... (rom cpt skill bug, turn rate, multiple mission errors, space Barbie bugs, etc)
Just my 2 cents and rant over
The game is basically the same regardless of platform. To console players, please understand that the current standard of the PC version has been 6 years in the making and some of the bugs you are seeing were experienced on PC 6 months or a year ago. The differences between the platforms may mean that certain bugs such as those which affect controls may not be a simple fix as in applying the same code changes as were implemented on PC. Also to refer to my statement above, in order to "port" the game from PC to console cryptic not only had to redesign the UI but also the controls in order that a game originally designed to be played using mouse and keyboard with the option of binding each discrete function to a seperate control switch could be played on a console which, no offence intended, has a much simpler control interface. Therefore would it not make sense that during the rollout of the game to console rather than simply taking the latest PC version and giving you everything from launch the decision was made that the rollout would be staggered in order that they could ensure that a console player could actually perform the most basic tasks in the game - flying a ship and controlling a character? Yes, we all can probably agree that perhaps better testing or a longer development of these might have been desirable but we need to appreciate that from a purely corporate stance Cryptic, PWE, Sony, Microsoft and CBS all decreed that the console launch should happen during the Star Trek anniversary and to be honest there have been many game launches that have been far worse with patches applied on launch day.
Another point relevant to all platforms is that some bugs are not easy to find because they are caused by code which will pass a syntax test and debug test due to the error being a single incorrect character ; instead of , for example - anyone fancy manually looking through 1000's? or 1,000,000's of line of code with the mk1 eyeball? Just because a bug affects a certain function it doesn't mean the error is in the code for that function.
The very fact that you can earn the commodities and marks for the missing content is a sign they will arrive as soon as possible. On other threads some console players asked specifically if PC players could give them a heads up regarding an event and some advice was given regarding tactics etc. In the same thread a poster moaned about fleet marks being a useless reward and was advised to grab as much as possible because the amounts needed for some fleet holdings upgrades would be quite large. The point being this advice was given not as some console players like to think as a "shut up and be thankful" but as a genuine case of PC players giving sound advice for the future and trying to make life easier for you. As an example of why this was genuine, my fleet on the PC has just slotted a fleet project that needs almost 18,000 marks, 1,700,000 dilithium, 21,250,000 EC amongst other things - still think us PC players advising you collect the "useless fleet marks" etc is bad advice?
Yes the mechanics of how the game is controlled and presented is different but the storylines, missions, events and eventually the requirements for advancement of characters or fleets are the same. Rather than coming into the forum and arrogantly stating that in 2 months console players have contributed more real world cash than PC players or claiming to have saved the game, if you ask sensible questions and accept that we have 6 years experience of how the developers work, why some bugs seem to never get fixed properly or why there often seems to be a lack of communication etc, then perhaps there is a chance the game will reach the same stage on all platforms. Then other than in areas where the games are required to be different whatever is posted in a general discussion should more or less be relevant to all. It also has to be said that console players continually posting to PC maintenance announcements with comments such as "why are they doing this when ..." isn't going to get anywhere because the majority of devs connected with the PC will not be connected to the console, so all these people are doing is (a) irritating other forum users and (b) wasting their own time because their comments will not be seen by the people who they are trying to either insult or belittle.