[Communication]Kithomer in Stasis: Asocial people

kiksken · October 2016

So, been in this PvE few times, and mostly folks do not speak, not even if I have a question.
Right now, 2 people left the building, 3 of us remained, I asked, if we could make it from here on... no replay.
Shall we leave and restart? No reply.

What's wrong with you folks?
5 men in this PvE, and no one able to talk?

At least ANSWER if someone asks a question, even with a "Sorry, dunno."...

kiksken · October 2016

Addendum: Now everyone left without a single word...
Well done, folks, good to know you're all so kind and helpful.

gaevsman · October 2016

Not all speak english?, there is french and german people in the game, also spanish, and portuguese (Brazil), so, no one knows... i always say hi in the chat.. so to know who's friendly and let people know that we can coordinati if someone (or me) are lost on something..

kiksken · October 2016

On Hi, no response.
And it would be a wee bit odd, that, in a 5 man group, no one would speak English, right?
In the end, that's the most common language...

anazonda · October 2016

Most don't even have the chat on during those missions...

The level of stupidity that sometimes... well... most of the time appears in team/zone chat of PUGs is just too much...

I mean, there are people who did not understand how the old CE worked in the first place, who still think that the large shards heal the CE, and that you weren't supposed to shoot them and bicker at people who just do for DPS on the entity.

I just can't deal with that.

bubblegirl2015 · October 2016

Plenty of times I have been in groups that are full of Germans. STO is very popular there. No need to think the sun only shines in America. Lots of people from all over the world play this game. At times my fleet is fuller in EU times than US timezones.

hanover2 · October 2016

I find STF chat to be not worth the trouble. If it's not a language barrier, it's some 12 year old trying to give me orders, or a cowardly troll reveling in the safety of the internet.

kiksken · October 2016

Just did it again: and one of them destroyed the Isolinear Molecular Reconverter just before I arrived.
Though I told the group I was there for the BOff.
Team or Group no longer seem to mean the same thing like back in the day, seems.

markhawkman · October 2016

If you want it that bad.... make a premade.

also what chat channel were you attempting to talk in?

risian4 · October 2016

Lack of communication has been a problem for years. Or at least it has been something you'd have to deal with for years.

risian4 · October 2016

There are great PUGs though. I did that mission yesterday and we had a nice team. Not necessarily the best or most powerful players and I myself wasn't that good either as I was on my newer account, but we chatted and explained things to the newer players where we could.

Great experience.

ssbn655 · October 2016

kiksken wrote: »

On Hi, no response.
And it would be a wee bit odd, that, in a 5 man group, no one would speak English, right?
In the end, that's the most common language...

Wow you are an arrogant person aren't you. You do know that English speakers are no where near the most common language users on this planet not even close.

ssbn655 · October 2016

kiksken wrote: »

Just did it again: and one of them destroyed the Isolinear Molecular Reconverter just before I arrived.
Though I told the group I was there for the BOff.
Team or Group no longer seem to mean the same thing like back in the day, seems.

Guy then stop using PUGs. You want a specfic goal talk with your fleet and I bet if it's a half way decent one you will get a group going. So yeah to be blunt if it's a PUG nobody gives a damn what your personal goal is just the mission at hand. Get it?

rattler2 · October 2016

As someone who frequently PUGs, I feel your pain OP. I usually get silent groups or the occasional Ego Trip guy who think's their the best thing in the game and that the rest of the team sucks and is more than willing to let us know about it, even though we're doing alright.

I once was able to turn a total fiasco of an Infected Run around through team chat though. Took a while, but finally we started coordinating. I did most of the talking though, but it was clear they saw the chat. I think it took half an hour though but we eventually finished. While the group had a bit of a lower DPS, through teamwork we were able to balance it out. Someone just had to show initiative, and prove that they weren't going to berate anyone for "being n00b failures".

The problem is most people don't want to communicate for some reason or another. The bare minimum seems to be asking for a parse at the end of Infected. Its rare for anyone to even put "GG" at the end of an STF run anymore. Its "get my reward and go on to the next as soon as possible" most of the time.

If I ever get in on a Kitomer Gound run, I usually try and ask if anyone wants the BOff before blowing the last IMR in the hallway, especially if we already blew the optional timer. Usually get no response and someone just runs up and detonates it on their own. For me I view it as a common courtesy to at least ask.

markhawkman · October 2016

My most recent run of stasis had me as the only one who'd done it before in a partial premade.... the fifth person didn't ever chat and only sometimes followed along with what we were doing...

And really Stasis REQUIRES communication since the person pushing the Borg buttons needs to know which button to push.

risian4 · October 2016

rattler2 wrote: »

As someone who frequently PUGs, I feel your pain OP. I usually get silent groups or the occasional Ego Trip guy who think's their the best thing in the game and that the rest of the team sucks and is more than willing to let us know about it, even though we're doing alright.

I once was able to turn a total fiasco of an Infected Run around through team chat though. Took a while, but finally we started coordinating. I did most of the talking though, but it was clear they saw the chat. I think it took half an hour though but we eventually finished. While the group had a bit of a lower DPS, through teamwork we were able to balance it out. Someone just had to show initiative, and prove that they weren't going to berate anyone for "being n00b failures".

The problem is most people don't want to communicate for some reason or another. The bare minimum seems to be asking for a parse at the end of Infected. Its rare for anyone to even put "GG" at the end of an STF run anymore. Its "get my reward and go on to the next as soon as possible" most of the time.

If I ever get in on a Kitomer Gound run, I usually try and ask if anyone wants the BOff before blowing the last IMR in the hallway, especially if we already blew the optional timer. Usually get no response and someone just runs up and detonates it on their own. For me I view it as a common courtesy to at least ask.

Nah, if someone is there mainly because he wants the Boff, then they'll let the team know. If they don't, it's their fault.

But yeah, blowing it right before someone who has notified the team of his goal is about to jump in is pretty arrogant as well. Unless the person who wanted the Boff did nothing to help take down the nodes. I've had people who never left the corridors or simply wait at the IMR instead of helping completing the mission.

In such cases I will actively blow the thing before they can jump in.

A newer player can be bad, maybe he doesn't know what to do but if they're not even going to try or ignore any hints that are provided then I think the rest of the team has the fullest right to say that he won't be getting his special reward and prevent him from obtaining it if he didn't even do anything for it.

markhawkman · October 2016

Honestly if I was there for the boff I'd RUN as fast as I could to the IMR.

rattler2 · October 2016

markhawkman wrote: »

And really Stasis REQUIRES communication since the person pushing the Borg buttons needs to know which button to push.

Exactly. It REQUIRES communication. Its a PITA when someone just jumps in and randomly pushes buttons because you could be set up at B3, and they hit A1. Move to A1 thinking they're gonna hit that again, and its B2. Go to B2, its B1. Ends up becoming either camp one until he hits it or pray you get lucky.

risian4 · October 2016

By which I don't mean that I like denying rewards to other people... but I don't like leechers either.

If the player at least tries to help the team or listen to advice, then I'm happy to help them get through and obtain their rewards. That's a minimum thing I think that can be reasonably expected from everyone on the team.

kiksken · October 2016

markhawkman wrote: »

If you want it that bad.... make a premade.

also what chat channel were you attempting to talk in?

/team.
Premade: well... I do not know enough people sadly.
And i can't ask them, if I did know a few, to ask them to run this PvE 10 times with me.

risian4 wrote: »

Lack of communication has been a problem for years. Or at least it has been something you'd have to deal with for years.

So true, and so sad...

risian4 wrote: »

There are great PUGs though. I did that mission yesterday and we had a nice team. Not necessarily the best or most powerful players and I myself wasn't that good either as I was on my newer account, but we chatted and explained things to the newer players where we could.

Great experience.

I am so glad for you.
I had some nice groups too, it's just the others that frustrate me...
And I too help others where i can, if i can.

ssbn655 wrote: »

Wow you are an arrogant person aren't you. You do know that English speakers are no where near the most common language users on this planet not even close.

Be so kind then to correct me?
As for arrogant, I cannot say, I would be biassed in that regard, towards myself.
I let others decide what to think of me...

ssbn655 wrote: »

Guy then stop using PUGs. You want a specfic goal talk with your fleet and I bet if it's a half way decent one you will get a group going. So yeah to be blunt if it's a PUG nobody gives a damn what your personal goal is just the mission at hand. Get it?

Though I am in a huge fleet, it's far from very active...

And being autistic does not help me either in this matter.

rattler2 wrote: »

As someone who frequently PUGs, I feel your pain OP. I usually get silent groups or the occasional Ego Trip guy who think's their the best thing in the game and that the rest of the team sucks and is more than willing to let us know about it, even though we're doing alright.

I once was able to turn a total fiasco of an Infected Run around through team chat though. Took a while, but finally we started coordinating. I did most of the talking though, but it was clear they saw the chat. I think it took half an hour though but we eventually finished. While the group had a bit of a lower DPS, through teamwork we were able to balance it out. Someone just had to show initiative, and prove that they weren't going to berate anyone for "being n00b failures".

The problem is most people don't want to communicate for some reason or another. The bare minimum seems to be asking for a parse at the end of Infected. Its rare for anyone to even put "GG" at the end of an STF run anymore. Its "get my reward and go on to the next as soon as possible" most of the time.

If I ever get in on a Kitomer Gound run, I usually try and ask if anyone wants the BOff before blowing the last IMR in the hallway, especially if we already blew the optional timer. Usually get no response and someone just runs up and detonates it on their own. For me I view it as a common courtesy to at least ask.

I hope we would meet one day in space, seems to be a pleasant way to do a [something] as you describe it.

smokebailey · October 2016

bubblegirl2015 wrote: »

Plenty of times I have been in groups that are full of Germans. STO is very popular there. No need to think the sun only shines in America. Lots of people from all over the world play this game. At times my fleet is fuller in EU times than US timezones.

^^^^^

markhawkman · October 2016

kiksken wrote: »

markhawkman wrote: »

If you want it that bad.... make a premade.

also what chat channel were you attempting to talk in?

/team.
Premade: well... I do not know enough people sadly.
And i can't ask them, if I did know a few, to ask them to run this PvE 10 times with me.

So I'm guessing you need 10 runs because you have 10 chars? Meh, just don't do all 10 the same day.

smokebailey · October 2016

Another problem is some players don't care of the stuff needed for the run, they just care about "PEW! PEW! PEW!" and making things go boom.......nothing else.

kiksken · October 2016

markhawkman wrote: »

kiksken wrote: »

markhawkman wrote: »

If you want it that bad.... make a premade.

also what chat channel were you attempting to talk in?

/team.
Premade: well... I do not know enough people sadly.
And i can't ask them, if I did know a few, to ask them to run this PvE 10 times with me.

So I'm guessing you need 10 runs because you have 10 chars? Meh, just don't do all 10 the same day.

Indeed, and indeed: I am spreading them over several days,..
Over 5 hours I had two failed runs, people killing the Isolinear Molecular Reconverter before I could get there.

markhawkman · October 2016

smokebailey wrote: »

Another problem is some players don't care of the stuff needed for the run, they just care about "PEW! PEW! PEW!" and making things go boom.......nothing else.

that approach doesn't work so well in Stasis. 'cause you can't complete the mission unless you have a guy in the box pushing the buttons.

officerbatman81 · October 2016

How is being autisic relevant?

I would venture a guess that Chinese is the most commonly spoke language in the world, seeing how there are more of them than anyone.
But English is the most "universal" language. It is the standardized language for airline pilots, and it is a common learned language in schools in most developed countries. That wasnt arrogant at all.

risian4 · October 2016

There isn't just one Chinese language though. So even when you speak the dominant 'Chinese language', you're still unlikely to reach all 'Chinese' speakers. So it's open for debate whether it's the most spoken language.

Also, in large parts of the worlds you're more likely to be able to communicate well with people if you speak Spanish or even Portuguese rather than English.

In fact, there are lists that put Spanish above English when looking at native speakers, something that often tends to be overlooked.

That being said, English is of course the most universal language indeed.

leemwatson · October 2016

Mandarin is the most spoken by population. English is the most spoken across most countries by way of businesses etc, though it actually used to be French.

kiksken · October 2016

officerbatman81 wrote: »

How is being autisic relevant?

I would venture a guess that Chinese is the most commonly spoke language in the world, seeing how there are more of them than anyone.
But English is the most "universal" language. It is the standardized language for airline pilots, and it is a common learned language in schools in most developed countries. That wasnt arrogant at all.

Thank you, for coming up for me.
As for autistic, I do not have that many friends in STO.
Or most other games.
I'm somewhat a loner...

risian4 wrote: »

That being said, English is of course the most universal language indeed.

This is what I tried to say, but seemingly I fu... dged it up again.

leemwatson wrote: »

Mandarin is the most spoken by population. English is the most spoken across most countries by way of businesses etc, though it actually used to be French.

It actually was Latin.
A few days before the French, I mean.

And who knows, maybe in 100 years from now, it will be Chinese.
Or Basic, Binary, maybe? XD

rattler2 · October 2016

OR... we could end up speakin' both English and Mandarin someday, ala Firefly.

risian4 · October 2016

French?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlhzX7UKKNU

You mean that obscure language?

[Communication]Kithomer in Stasis: Asocial people

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