Liberated borg is a special lifetime perk I don't see them changing it, no matter how much we want them to. I'm not able to make lib borg characters either, although I can pay a monthly sub the lifetime fee is too pricey for me right now.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
As long as there is LTS owners who object, they will never make the mistake of removing perks from LTS, because then buying it becomes even more of a risk then such a high cost purchase already is, because then you're not even sure of the exclusivity of the items you're paying through the nose to get.
Now off course, I can't imagine anyone getting LTS just for a race, but it's the principle issue, if Cryptic/PWE starts removing LTS perks whenever it suits them, then obviously the integrity of the pack becomes at risk, imagine a Temporal Agent pack or a Legacy Pack (LoR), that suddenly has two or three ships removed from it for future purchases.
Here is another thought experiment:
OK, so giving away any LTS perk to the f2p is not gonna happen, why not give them a monthly perk then?
After all - it's a perk even the monthly subscribers get, how *special* could it be?
Maybe the 500 zen per month stipend?
<And before you go reading this as anti f2p, it's not. It's anti-give away the store.>
I never had a powerfully overwhelming reason to want a lib Borg character.
They're not any more effective against Borg than a regular character. I have lib Borg BOFF's with similar traits and I don't notice that they are any more effective than any other trait. There are no Borg ships to fly. I can't use Borg tech on anyone or any thing, aside from the stuff I can get from Omega Reputation and the Borg story arc itself. I don't get Borg-Cooperative-type benefits by teaming up with other liberated Borg.
So why? It's just a status symbol at this point, and not a particularly meaningful one. I get to add borg parts to my costume. Woo-hoo.
Had I not been over 2/3rds of the way to 1000 day subscriber before I could outright afford an LTS (being rather busy fathering sons at the time), I might well have gotten an LTS and probably would have made a lib Borg character. But I don't *need* one badly enough to drop that kind of money when I already have 1000 day perks.
It would take Cryptic making Borg or Borgified ships very acquirable (not in a lock/promo box) and very desirable and making a case for a Borg character to have some special role in gameplay before I'd even think about doing that now. When they add a T6+ Borg ship to the LTS reward along with a few more perks I don't have I'll give it another thought. Throw in a playable Android, a playable Photonic, and a playable Changeling and we'll have a serious battle with self-control.
I *would also* pay a premium (say $20) as an "add-on" to my Veteran rewards to add lib Borg to my account as a playable race. Not going to happen, but that's what it would take.
Now off course, I can't imagine anyone getting LTS just for a race, but it's the principle issue, if Cryptic/PWE starts removing LTS perks whenever it suits them, then obviously the integrity of the pack becomes at risk, imagine a Temporal Agent pack or a Legacy Pack (LoR), that suddenly has two or three ships removed from it for future purchases.
While I did become LTS for the majority of the perks, the one thing that sold me was Liberated Borg because I came up with the perfect idea for a character: Val of Borg, a Southern California Blond type of woman. With a Borg Tribble she named Purry-of-Cute. And a Borg Arm Cannon for a weapon named Bob. Who still thinks and reasons. And is probably more intelligent than Val herself.
While I did become LTS for the majority of the perks, the one thing that sold me was Liberated Borg because I came up with the perfect idea for a character: Val of Borg, a Southern California Blond type of woman. With a Borg Tribble she named Purry-of-Cute. And a Borg Arm Cannon for a weapon named Bob. Who still thinks and reasons. And is probably more intelligent than Val herself.
You know there's nothing in the game that can't be earned for free by using the old trick of selling refined Dil, right? Make 5 characters, have them each refine 8K Dil a day - I bet it would still take forever to earn enough but it *is* theoretically doable. Risky strategies would speed it up too, like the old tactic of buying Zen cheap whenever you can to later resell at a higher Dil price later down the line. Get good at playing the market and you can have it all, though the games going nowhere and won't vanish anytime soon so the slow-but-steady path is valid too.
My parents would have laughed at me if I ever asked them to get the LTS and had told them the price. You can buy an awesome graphics card for that money. I feel for the kid, this game isn't worth the price they want you pay for LTS. It's a failure as a p2p game.
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While I did become LTS for the majority of the perks, the one thing that sold me was Liberated Borg because I came up with the perfect idea for a character: Val of Borg, a Southern California Blond type of woman. With a Borg Tribble she named Purry-of-Cute. And a Borg Arm Cannon for a weapon named Bob. Who still thinks and reasons. And is probably more intelligent than Val herself.
better story than some of the temporal stuff currently in game.....
I can't stop laughing! Thank you!
Things get better, in their own ways. Her 'Main' ship is the Risian Luxury Liner with the Borg Space Set, because that is the ship that was attacked and assimilated when she was going on vacation. The reason she's liberated? She never fully assimilated; she kept her individuality either due to a quirk in her genetics, or simply because she's just THAT airheaded. Now, most people would go insane being forced to work, but she made the most of it; talking about Nine-of-Twenty's new hair (her headtubes never actually changed) or giving long glances to Ten-of-Thirteen (He's such a hunk, you gotta wonder what's under that exoskeleton).
Thing is, her being non-hivemind'ed began expanding and disconnecting the other drones (including her BFF, Becky, who was horrified at what happened to her hair), which allowed a Starfleet battlegroup disable the cube, and thus freed Val.
Even her secondary ship is indicative of her...lack of intelligence. It's the APU Cruiser, which she named "Repair Trapezoid"...despite it not being that shape.
While I did become LTS for the majority of the perks, the one thing that sold me was Liberated Borg because I came up with the perfect idea for a character: Val of Borg, a Southern California Blond type of woman. With a Borg Tribble she named Purry-of-Cute. And a Borg Arm Cannon for a weapon named Bob. Who still thinks and reasons. And is probably more intelligent than Val herself.
better story than some of the temporal stuff currently in game.....
I can't stop laughing! Thank you!
Things get better, in their own ways. Her 'Main' ship is the Risian Luxury Liner with the Borg Space Set, because that is the ship that was attacked and assimilated when she was going on vacation. The reason she's liberated? She never fully assimilated; she kept her individuality either due to a quirk in her genetics, or simply because she's just THAT airheaded. Now, most people would go insane being forced to work, but she made the most of it; talking about Nine-of-Twenty's new hair (her headtubes never actually changed) or giving long glances to Ten-of-Thirteen (He's such a hunk, you gotta wonder what's under that exoskeleton).
Thing is, her being non-hivemind'ed began expanding and disconnecting the other drones (including her BFF, Becky, who was horrified at what happened to her hair), which allowed a Starfleet battlegroup disable the cube, and thus freed Val.
Even her secondary ship is indicative of her...lack of intelligence. It's the APU Cruiser, which she named "Repair Trapezoid"...despite it not being that shape.
It is amazing what interesting stories that you can come up with to avoid playing a victim, but it usually seems to fall under some quirk that makes it impossible to be fully assimilated. My character, i of e, tried to overthrow the Borg Queen and take over because she thought she could be a better Queen and lead the Borg to enlightenment instead of assimilating new technology and races. Unfortunately, she was exiled due to sabotage blackmail that prevented her from being dismantled. An Exiled Borg is better than being a Liberated Borg.
While I did become LTS for the majority of the perks, the one thing that sold me was Liberated Borg because I came up with the perfect idea for a character: Val of Borg, a Southern California Blond type of woman. With a Borg Tribble she named Purry-of-Cute. And a Borg Arm Cannon for a weapon named Bob. Who still thinks and reasons. And is probably more intelligent than Val herself.
better story than some of the temporal stuff currently in game.....
HA! agreed!
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
You know there's nothing in the game that can't be earned for free by using the old trick of selling refined Dil, right? Make 5 characters, have them each refine 8K Dil a day - I bet it would still take forever to earn enough but it *is* theoretically doable. Risky strategies would speed it up too, like the old tactic of buying Zen cheap whenever you can to later resell at a higher Dil price later down the line. Get good at playing the market and you can have it all, though the games going nowhere and won't vanish anytime soon so the slow-but-steady path is valid too.
Actually, you can't buy LTS with Zen, so....that's not an option.
Actually, you can't buy LTS with Zen, so....that's not an option.
Someone said above that you can apparently get the LTS perks with Zen on the console version because it lacks the subscriptions option the PC has.
You learn something new each day...
Yeah that is news to me.
I figured Sony and Microsoft would want their cut, but how can that be if LTS can be bought for in game tradable currency Dil - > Zen ?
Makes me wonder...
Let's say 50% of LTS buyers on console use solely Dil->Zen, I wonder if Cryptic has to pick up the tab and pay Sony/Microsoft a portion of each LTS sale ? So on 50% of LTS sales...they'd need to come up with that money (if the contract is structured this way)
So it's possible Cryptic could very well be losing money on offering the LTS this way...
But hey, its certainly more player friendly to be able to buy it with in game tradable currency.
Anyone know what they charge (Zen price) for LTS on console ? I'm curious now.
If I was playing on console, I guess that would be the first thing I'd save up for.
Actually, you can't buy LTS with Zen, so....that's not an option.
Someone said above that you can apparently get the LTS perks with Zen on the console version because it lacks the subscriptions option the PC has.
You learn something new each day...
Yeah that is news to me.
I figured Sony and Microsoft would want their cut, but how can that be if LTS can be bought for in game tradable currency Dil - > Zen ?
Makes me wonder...
Let's say 50% of LTS buyers on console use solely Dil->Zen, I wonder if Cryptic has to pick up the tab and pay Sony/Microsoft a portion of each LTS sale ? So on 50% of LTS sales...they'd need to come up with that money (if the contract is structured this way)
So it's possible Cryptic could very well be losing money on offering the LTS this way...
But hey, its certainly more player friendly to be able to buy it with in game tradable currency.
Anyone know what they charge (Zen price) for LTS on console ? I'm curious now.
If I was playing on console, I guess that would be the first thing I'd save up for.
Achieving LTS with in-game currency helps explain why there is no zen stipend on console.
Actually, you can't buy LTS with Zen, so....that's not an option.
Someone said above that you can apparently get the LTS perks with Zen on the console version because it lacks the subscriptions option the PC has.
You learn something new each day...
Yeah that is news to me.
I figured Sony and Microsoft would want their cut, but how can that be if LTS can be bought for in game tradable currency Dil - > Zen ?
Makes me wonder...
Let's say 50% of LTS buyers on console use solely Dil->Zen, I wonder if Cryptic has to pick up the tab and pay Sony/Microsoft a portion of each LTS sale ? So on 50% of LTS sales...they'd need to come up with that money (if the contract is structured this way)
So it's possible Cryptic could very well be losing money on offering the LTS this way...
But hey, its certainly more player friendly to be able to buy it with in game tradable currency.
Anyone know what they charge (Zen price) for LTS on console ? I'm curious now.
If I was playing on console, I guess that would be the first thing I'd save up for.
Achieving LTS with in-game currency helps explain why there is no zen stipend on console.
Oh really, I guess it wouldn't be my first purchase then.
Actually, you can't buy LTS with Zen, so....that's not an option.
Someone said above that you can apparently get the LTS perks with Zen on the console version because it lacks the subscriptions option the PC has.
You learn something new each day...
Yeah that is news to me.
I figured Sony and Microsoft would want their cut, but how can that be if LTS can be bought for in game tradable currency Dil - > Zen ?
Makes me wonder...
Let's say 50% of LTS buyers on console use solely Dil->Zen, I wonder if Cryptic has to pick up the tab and pay Sony/Microsoft a portion of each LTS sale ? So on 50% of LTS sales...they'd need to come up with that money (if the contract is structured this way)
So it's possible Cryptic could very well be losing money on offering the LTS this way...
But hey, its certainly more player friendly to be able to buy it with in game tradable currency.
Anyone know what they charge (Zen price) for LTS on console ? I'm curious now.
If I was playing on console, I guess that would be the first thing I'd save up for.
You're ignoring where the zen came from to buy the dil. That zen comes from other players spending cash monies.
MS / Sony either got their cut of that zen purchase, or Cryptic/PWE got 100% and can therefore afford to pay MS / Sony for the LTS later.
Here is a suggestion
1) Get a paper rout.
2) Start mowing some lawns
3) Put up a yard sale and start selling your toys you haven’t used in the past 5 month
And once you put in all that blood, sweat and tears, then go and buy the LTS.
Now imagine a day later that the Liberated Borg is now available to F2P players and you gave up your favorite Purple Dinosaur for nothing.
Here is another thought experiment:
OK, so giving away any LTS perk to the f2p is not gonna happen, why not give them a monthly perk then?
After all - it's a perk even the monthly subscribers get, how *special* could it be?
Maybe the 500 zen per month stipend?
<And before you go reading this as anti f2p, it's not. It's anti-give away the store.>
no, the stipend is a perk to the LTS and the subscribers BECAUSE THEY PAY FOR IT
you all entitlement millenials just kill me sometimes
That was one of the reasons I got LTS and I was still disappointed as it was only Liberated Borg Human, Klingon or Romulan and I wanted to be a Liberated Borg Ferengi. And when I unlocked the Caitian character I wanted to be able to make a liberated Borg Caitian as a LTS. Should let the F2P players have the boring Borg characters and draw some new more original ones for the lifers
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You DONT want to dish out for a LTS you say? Then you can't have the Lib borg either...
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Now off course, I can't imagine anyone getting LTS just for a race, but it's the principle issue, if Cryptic/PWE starts removing LTS perks whenever it suits them, then obviously the integrity of the pack becomes at risk, imagine a Temporal Agent pack or a Legacy Pack (LoR), that suddenly has two or three ships removed from it for future purchases.
OK, so giving away any LTS perk to the f2p is not gonna happen, why not give them a monthly perk then?
After all - it's a perk even the monthly subscribers get, how *special* could it be?
Maybe the 500 zen per month stipend?
<And before you go reading this as anti f2p, it's not. It's anti-give away the store.>
They're not any more effective against Borg than a regular character. I have lib Borg BOFF's with similar traits and I don't notice that they are any more effective than any other trait. There are no Borg ships to fly. I can't use Borg tech on anyone or any thing, aside from the stuff I can get from Omega Reputation and the Borg story arc itself. I don't get Borg-Cooperative-type benefits by teaming up with other liberated Borg.
So why? It's just a status symbol at this point, and not a particularly meaningful one. I get to add borg parts to my costume. Woo-hoo.
Had I not been over 2/3rds of the way to 1000 day subscriber before I could outright afford an LTS (being rather busy fathering sons at the time), I might well have gotten an LTS and probably would have made a lib Borg character. But I don't *need* one badly enough to drop that kind of money when I already have 1000 day perks.
It would take Cryptic making Borg or Borgified ships very acquirable (not in a lock/promo box) and very desirable and making a case for a Borg character to have some special role in gameplay before I'd even think about doing that now. When they add a T6+ Borg ship to the LTS reward along with a few more perks I don't have I'll give it another thought. Throw in a playable Android, a playable Photonic, and a playable Changeling and we'll have a serious battle with self-control.
I *would also* pay a premium (say $20) as an "add-on" to my Veteran rewards to add lib Borg to my account as a playable race. Not going to happen, but that's what it would take.
Same way Delta did in Bioshock 2!
While I did become LTS for the majority of the perks, the one thing that sold me was Liberated Borg because I came up with the perfect idea for a character: Val of Borg, a Southern California Blond type of woman. With a Borg Tribble she named Purry-of-Cute. And a Borg Arm Cannon for a weapon named Bob. Who still thinks and reasons. And is probably more intelligent than Val herself.
Really..I think beats the record for the longest piece of art with no single break in a paragraph.
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Things get better, in their own ways. Her 'Main' ship is the Risian Luxury Liner with the Borg Space Set, because that is the ship that was attacked and assimilated when she was going on vacation. The reason she's liberated? She never fully assimilated; she kept her individuality either due to a quirk in her genetics, or simply because she's just THAT airheaded. Now, most people would go insane being forced to work, but she made the most of it; talking about Nine-of-Twenty's new hair (her headtubes never actually changed) or giving long glances to Ten-of-Thirteen (He's such a hunk, you gotta wonder what's under that exoskeleton).
Thing is, her being non-hivemind'ed began expanding and disconnecting the other drones (including her BFF, Becky, who was horrified at what happened to her hair), which allowed a Starfleet battlegroup disable the cube, and thus freed Val.
Even her secondary ship is indicative of her...lack of intelligence. It's the APU Cruiser, which she named "Repair Trapezoid"...despite it not being that shape.
It is amazing what interesting stories that you can come up with to avoid playing a victim, but it usually seems to fall under some quirk that makes it impossible to be fully assimilated. My character, i of e, tried to overthrow the Borg Queen and take over because she thought she could be a better Queen and lead the Borg to enlightenment instead of assimilating new technology and races. Unfortunately, she was exiled due to sabotage blackmail that prevented her from being dismantled. An Exiled Borg is better than being a Liberated Borg.
HA! agreed!
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Actually, you can't buy LTS with Zen, so....that's not an option.
You learn something new each day...
Yeah that is news to me.
I figured Sony and Microsoft would want their cut, but how can that be if LTS can be bought for in game tradable currency Dil - > Zen ?
Makes me wonder...
Let's say 50% of LTS buyers on console use solely Dil->Zen, I wonder if Cryptic has to pick up the tab and pay Sony/Microsoft a portion of each LTS sale ? So on 50% of LTS sales...they'd need to come up with that money (if the contract is structured this way)
So it's possible Cryptic could very well be losing money on offering the LTS this way...
But hey, its certainly more player friendly to be able to buy it with in game tradable currency.
Anyone know what they charge (Zen price) for LTS on console ? I'm curious now.
If I was playing on console, I guess that would be the first thing I'd save up for.
Achieving LTS with in-game currency helps explain why there is no zen stipend on console.
Oh really, I guess it wouldn't be my first purchase then.
You're ignoring where the zen came from to buy the dil. That zen comes from other players spending cash monies.
MS / Sony either got their cut of that zen purchase, or Cryptic/PWE got 100% and can therefore afford to pay MS / Sony for the LTS later.
1) Get a paper rout.
2) Start mowing some lawns
3) Put up a yard sale and start selling your toys you haven’t used in the past 5 month
And once you put in all that blood, sweat and tears, then go and buy the LTS.
Now imagine a day later that the Liberated Borg is now available to F2P players and you gave up your favorite Purple Dinosaur for nothing.
the constitution was a gamestop version exclusion on launch we got boned on that when it went into the C-store
no, the stipend is a perk to the LTS and the subscribers BECAUSE THEY PAY FOR IT
you all entitlement millenials just kill me sometimes
You're comparing a 500 zen ship to an LTS worth 200/300 *insert currency here*.
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