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""Logically, it is Best that Prize Ships are RNG (T6-TOS EDITION!)""

With the phenomenal t6-TOS promo coming out, I think its important that people take a moment to think about *why* things like this have to come from RNG packs. It isn't venality on the part of the developers, there is a logical reason for why it is best for players and the community that it works this way.

To not run afoul of the no-necro rule, I post a new thread rather than bump an old one. It is what it is!


There are three good outcomes to look for with prize ships in STO.

1) The prize ships are rare and desirable.
-If nothing is rare and desirable, the game is tepid and boring.

2) Everyone has a chance to get one. -If not everyone has a chance to get one, it is unfair, and pay2win.

3) The company earns revenue and profit. -This is absolutely necessary for the game to continue being run. Business has to earn profit.

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If we make them available to anyone who wants one at a fixed price in the c-store, but that price is low, then they are no longer rare and desirable, and we sacrifice outcome 1.

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The only way to make the promo ships very rare and desirable, if they are offered to anyone who wants one at a fixed price in the c-store, is to make that price very high.

The market prices them at about 15k zen, which takes into account the consolation prizes in the promo boxes as well as the odds of winning a ship. In terms of zen expenditure to get one, its closer to 25k zen.

However, if they were offered at that high price, almost no one would have a chance to get them, and also, the owners would not get much revenue.

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Since having the ships rare and desirable is a good outcome, and the game earning profit is a good outcome as well, and everyone having a chance to get the prize ship is a good outcome as well, we should not give up any one outcome in order to secure two of the others, when instead we can get all three outcomes at the same time.

1) It is good that the ship is rare and desirable
2) It is good that everyone has a chance to get one
3) It is good if the company earns revenue and profit.

The good in these outcomes is cumulative. Having two outcomes is better than having one, and having all three is better than having either two or one.

We can only have all three of these good outcomes if the ships are awarded from RNG boxes.

Since all three outcomes is better than just two, or just one, we should unequivocally support the ships being released in RNG boxes, since it leads to the best possible outcome for the game.
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  • orion0029orion0029 Member Posts: 1,122 Bug Hunter
    Oh geez. You went ahead and did it anyway... *facepalm*

    I think I'll skip reading it this time and assume it's a copy-paste job from the last time this was around.
  • monkeybone13monkeybone13 Member Posts: 4,640 Arc User
    Go TRIBBLE yourself Druk.
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  • orion0029orion0029 Member Posts: 1,122 Bug Hunter
    Uhh @monkeybone13, I rarely agree with Mr./Ms. Ferengi here, but I would suggest editing your comment... Then grabbing a cup of tea, wouldn't want to get a ban over somthing like this. :)
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  • chozoelder2ndchozoelder2nd Member Posts: 440 Arc User
    Go **** yourself Druk.

    Classy...
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    As always, @repetitiveepic has the right mindset. You could learn a lot from him/her.
    When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
  • puckerbrushpuckerbrush Member Posts: 117 Arc User
    As always, @repetitiveepic has the right mindset. You could learn a lot from him/her.

    This.

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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    'It is logical, in view of the times in which we live. But to be logical is not to be right, and nothing on God's earth could ever make it right!'
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
    Lt. Philip J. Minns
  • monkeybone13monkeybone13 Member Posts: 4,640 Arc User
    Please be civil...

    What did you expect? You keep poking the tiger in the cage.

    Back in May you laughed at the community because no T6 connie was announced http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1215012/ha-no-t6-connie

    Now you're laughing at the community because it's in a limited time promotional RNG TRIBBLE.

    "HAHAHA look at all the pubbies raging because they can't have a crappy T6 connie ha.....ha.....HA"

    Again, go TRIBBLE yourself.
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    Please be civil...

    What did you expect? You keep poking the tiger in the cage.

    Back in May you laughed at the community because no T6 connie was announced http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1215012/ha-no-t6-connie

    Now you're laughing at the community because it's in a limited time promotional RNG ****.

    "HAHAHA look at all the pubbies raging because they can't have a crappy T6 connie ha.....ha.....HA"

    Again, go **** yourself.
    @repetitiveepic specifically stated in another thread that this outcome is a compromise and I agree that it's a great compromise. Everyone that wants a T6 Constitution "can" now get one. Everyone that doesn't want one won't see them clogging up the skys around ESD. Cryptic also makes the money that's needed to keep the game going. Everyone wins!
    When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,019 Community Moderator
    I'm just happy that I can finally have an endgame Exeter. :)
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  • velquavelqua Member Posts: 1,220 Arc User
    It may be good for business that specialty items are given out by the RNG at a specified percentage level, but for those players who spend thousands of dollars and receiving nothing, this because a major issue. At some point, Cryptic/PWE will have to come up with a better way for players who spend that amount of money to obtain these special ships, or these players will cease spending money on the game and leave. There really needs to be a monetary threshold that a player can meet for the ship to be dropped after X amount of attempts. Most likely it would be high, but it needs to exists so that these players who spend that amount of money are compensated.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    The R&D Boxes should give out no more than 13 of this Ship as there were only '12 like her in the Fleet'. ;)
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
    Lt. Philip J. Minns
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    velqua wrote: »
    It may be good for business that specialty items are given out by the RNG at a specified percentage level, but for those players who spend thousands of dollars and receiving nothing, this because a major issue. At some point, Cryptic/PWE will have to come up with a better way for players who spend that amount of money to obtain these special ships, or these players will cease spending money on the game and leave. There really needs to be a monetary threshold that a player can meet for the ship to be dropped after X amount of attempts. Most likely it would be high, but it needs to exists so that these players who spend that amount of money are compensated.
    They get their lobi and R&D mats/delta doff stuff. They get what they pay for. The packs are always for sale, usually without prize ships for the same price. So I'll say again, they get what they pay for.
    When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
  • monkeybone13monkeybone13 Member Posts: 4,640 Arc User
    Please be civil...

    What did you expect? You keep poking the tiger in the cage.

    Back in May you laughed at the community because no T6 connie was announced http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1215012/ha-no-t6-connie

    Now you're laughing at the community because it's in a limited time promotional RNG ****.

    "HAHAHA look at all the pubbies raging because they can't have a crappy T6 connie ha.....ha.....HA"

    Again, go **** yourself.
    @repetitiveepic specifically stated in another thread that this outcome is a compromise and I agree that it's a great compromise. Everyone that wants a T6 Constitution "can" now get one. Everyone that doesn't want one won't see them clogging up the skys around ESD. Cryptic also makes the money that's needed to keep the game going. Everyone wins!

    You misunderstand. This isn't about a stupid ship. It's about the antagonistic behavior of the white knights.

    Even when someone leaves a fairly polite opinion on how they don't agree with a decision Cryptic made, they're called crybabies and told to stop being entitled.
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    Please be civil...

    What did you expect? You keep poking the tiger in the cage.

    Back in May you laughed at the community because no T6 connie was announced http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1215012/ha-no-t6-connie

    Now you're laughing at the community because it's in a limited time promotional RNG ****.

    "HAHAHA look at all the pubbies raging because they can't have a crappy T6 connie ha.....ha.....HA"

    Again, go **** yourself.
    @repetitiveepic specifically stated in another thread that this outcome is a compromise and I agree that it's a great compromise. Everyone that wants a T6 Constitution "can" now get one. Everyone that doesn't want one won't see them clogging up the skys around ESD. Cryptic also makes the money that's needed to keep the game going. Everyone wins!

    You misunderstand. This isn't about a stupid ship. It's about the antagonistic behavior of the white knights.

    Even when someone leaves a fairly polite opinion on how they don't agree with a decision Cryptic made, they're called crybabies and told to stop being entitled.
    Polite? You said go **** yourself. Twice.
    When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
  • monkeybone13monkeybone13 Member Posts: 4,640 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    Please be civil...

    What did you expect? You keep poking the tiger in the cage.

    Back in May you laughed at the community because no T6 connie was announced http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1215012/ha-no-t6-connie

    Now you're laughing at the community because it's in a limited time promotional RNG ****.

    "HAHAHA look at all the pubbies raging because they can't have a crappy T6 connie ha.....ha.....HA"

    Again, go **** yourself.
    @repetitiveepic specifically stated in another thread that this outcome is a compromise and I agree that it's a great compromise. Everyone that wants a T6 Constitution "can" now get one. Everyone that doesn't want one won't see them clogging up the skys around ESD. Cryptic also makes the money that's needed to keep the game going. Everyone wins!

    You misunderstand. This isn't about a stupid ship. It's about the antagonistic behavior of the white knights.

    Even when someone leaves a fairly polite opinion on how they don't agree with a decision Cryptic made, they're called crybabies and told to stop being entitled.
    Polite? You said go **** yourself. Twice.

    I wasn't speaking of myself, since I haven't given my opinion about this ship promo.

    I was speaking about another player's post that was civil and polite for the most part and someone called them a crybaby. And all the sockpuppet accounts flat out saying they laugh at the tears of those not happy about it, and laugh at the people bitching about it.

    And the antagonistic white knights like you and Druk talking about how good this is and how great Cryptic is, when you know damn well some people aren't happy about it. You assclowns don't just throw gas on the fire, you throw in a bucket of handgrenades for good measure.
  • tousseautousseau Member Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    While I agree with the OP here... I gotta say, this thread is certainly turning into a popcorn worthy drama show...
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  • monkeybone13monkeybone13 Member Posts: 4,640 Arc User
    tousseau wrote: »
    While I agree with the OP here... I gotta say, this thread is certainly turning into a popcorn worthy drama show...

    Precisely. They love drama. Can't get enough of it. It's what they live for.

    So I give it to them.
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    I wasn't speaking of myself, since I haven't given my opinion about this ship promo.
    Then you need to make your nebulous posts more clear next time.
    I was speaking about another player's post that was civil and polite for the most part and someone called them a crybaby. And all the sockpuppet accounts flat out saying they laugh at the tears of those not happy about it, and laugh at the people bitching about it.
    Sockpuppets? Jump to conclusions much? Some people just want to watch the world burn.
    And the antagonistic white knights like you and Druk talking about how good this is and how great Cryptic is, when you know damn well some people aren't happy about it. You assclowns don't just throw gas on the fire, you throw in a bucket of handgrenades for good measure.
    There are certain things in life that, when said, make you lose credibility. Referring to anyone that is happy about the game as a "white knight" is a classic fallback maneuver of posters like you. You come on here and flame a fantastic and well written post, including your censored use of the F-Word. Then you turn around and claim that the original poster was actually trolling? Really? You are going beyond "reaching" in your description of Druk.
    When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    Well he must have misread the talking points from the high command.
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
    Lt. Philip J. Minns
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