Just like those EV suits in Dil Store. Outrageous.
Nukara suits are still the best EV suits and much cheaper.
Unless your using other parts of a Nukara set, I would actually say that the Solanae environmental suits from "A Step Between Stars" are better. More specifically, the one you get from not activating the defenses.
Edit: And they're free, so they're a better price than the Nukara ones.
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Well, you know- if they raise the Exchange cap to 1000 instead of 500, it will cut the Zen cost in half
Just sayin.
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To be clear, these are the pricing currently on Tribble, right? If so, I have two points to make.
1) It's Tribble. There's no requirement that what you see on Tribble is what goes to Holodeck. These prices could be completely wrong.
2) Say the price, either on Tribble or on Holodeck, launched at a fraction of this. Mobs of players buy it up, at a price so low it barely dents the Dil economy. Cryptic are forced to either raise the price, cue massive whining, or come up with some other Dil sink. Isn't it better if it drops priced too high? There's always room to tune down later, and that will be received with cheers instead of pitchforks and torches.
To be clear, these are the pricing currently on Tribble, right? If so, I have two points to make.
1) It's Tribble. There's no requirement that what you see on Tribble is what goes to Holodeck. These prices could be completely wrong.
2) Say the price, either on Tribble or on Holodeck, launched at a fraction of this. Mobs of players buy it up, at a price so low it barely dents the Dil economy. Cryptic are forced to either raise the price, cue massive whining, or come up with some other Dil sink. Isn't it better if it drops priced too high? There's always room to tune down later, and that will be received with cheers instead of pitchforks and torches.
All the dill store prices are always the same between tribble and holodeck so why would these be different.
To be clear, these are the pricing currently on Tribble, right? If so, I have two points to make.
1) It's Tribble. There's no requirement that what you see on Tribble is what goes to Holodeck. These prices could be completely wrong.
2) Say the price, either on Tribble or on Holodeck, launched at a fraction of this. Mobs of players buy it up, at a price so low it barely dents the Dil economy. Cryptic are forced to either raise the price, cue massive whining, or come up with some other Dil sink. Isn't it better if it drops priced too high? There's always room to tune down later, and that will be received with cheers instead of pitchforks and torches.
All the dill store prices are always the same between tribble and holodeck so why would these be different.
Well, one reason could simply be because there's not enough time to use Tribble to actually test different prices. So they may have listed on Tribble with outrageously high prices to elicit just such conversation about what we the players think a reasonable price would be. Doubtful, but conceivable. But yeah, if they drop with these prices I'll just smile and wave as they go by.
As said by others, this is not a dilithium sink, nobody but the richest elite are going to buy these, aka they will be ignored by 99% of the player base, even if I had that kind of dilithium lying around though, I still wouldn't buy them, those prices are just stupid...
As said by others, this is not a dilithium sink, nobody but the richest elite are going to buy these, aka they will be ignored by 99% of the player base, even if I had that kind of dilithium lying around though, I still wouldn't buy them, those prices are just stupid...
Cryptic always said costume packs didn't sell in the C-Store. I can't see these selling like hotcakes either, not at these prices.
Maybe because all/most Fed outfits in game are awful looking. If they added some cross faction outfit options but just without those factions ranks and insignia people would buy them out like hotcakes. the only outfits that look half decent at all are romulan/reman, klingon and off duty. FEd outfits all look like crapola
Why is the Enterprise MACO outfit epic quality and is the most expensive? Probably because they expect it to be extremely popular? I did say I'd pay dil for outfits in the dil store, but at these prices? Ummmm. If they're account unlocks I would. No way in hell will I pay that much per character.
That's the bit that gets my back up so much about this. I thought we were slowly making progress toward more account wide unlocks, and then they do this. The price is insane. I can understand them wanting dilithium sinks and I could almost justify that IF and only if these were account wide unlocks. Pinning them as single character unlocks with that price tag is stupid. As I said in the Tribble thread, buying the MACO costume alone on all of my Fed toons would cost me almost double the price I paid for all three of the big expansion bundle packs and those had more than 30 starships and 10 new uniforms between them plus extras all at the account level...
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Why is it so expensive? This game got waaay to many things that cost dil. And now this insane price? geez >_<
Had a look at them on test, used the test console to get dil... The vests and jacket are just one top each. And the MACO is just much either. Very overpriced.
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They don't honestly expect players to pay between 25$ -50$ for an outfit do they
You mean like players currently pay £50 for a lobi character bound uniform, or £200 for a character bound ship?
Players are already paying these prices.
They're insane right across the board, but the whales will pay it and it might affect the Dil market a little..
Actually did a comparison on the Lobi consumables to determine if being in the Dilithium Store actually made them cheaper. The result was the Dilithium Exchange would have to be around 90 Dilithium per Zen for the costs to be about the same. So it is much cheaper in the Dilithium Store compared to the Lobi Store. This involved buying the 10 Key Bundle and each Lockbox has an average of 5 Lobi.
Based on the previous information, 1 Lobi costs 22.5 Zen. Considering that the most expensive Lobi uniforms cost 200 Lobi, then it costs 4500 Zen or $45. 4500 Zen at 400 Dilithium per Zen is 1.8 million dilithium. It is actually cheaper if this was in the Lobi Store. These Dilithium Store uniforms are simply a status symbol to show that a certain player has more wealth than you.
Funny thing is I went back to WoW as soon as I finished the AoY missions, yet this addition was enough to get another 50 bucks it of me even though I'm not actively playing, lol.
Think I'm going to hold on to the dil until the next FE incase they drop the price by then or make it account unlock, the big thing was getting it before the exchange crashes tomorrow from increased dil demand ... at least that's what I'm expecting to happen anyway
Why is it so expensive? This game got waaay to many things that cost dil. And now this insane price? geez >_<
No...it really doesn't. I toss some of mine at fleet projects. Some up zen conversions. Some at upgrades...and I still have millions of this stuff...and I haven't actually played all that long. I can only imagine what the old timers have saved up. And I actually donate to my fleet...over a million so far. Not as much of some...but definately more then most. I told myself that the cost for epic gear was insane and I wasn't gonna do it when the R&D system came out. Guess what, my main now all epic energy weapons and consoles. They need more stuff like this actually.
Old timer here, also giving a lot to my fleet, and I don't have that much dil. They don't need stuff that cost this insane amount of dil.
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Was kinda looking forward to these, was even willing to spend a little real money to get them, but not 50 bucks for one outfit, thats just absurd.
This really just punishes the people that don't farm dilith on ten or more toons a day too, which I am not one of the people that do. I convert my 8k a day on two toons, maybee 3 sometimes, and thats it.
At these prices, zero chance of me ever getting them.
So using the 150 - 200 Lobi:
Lobi store costume = 150 Lobi, 200 Lobi
Average Number of Lobi per box = 5 (Min 4)
Price per Lockbox key = 125 Zen
MAX exchange rate Dil:Zen = 500:1
150 / 5 * 125 * 500 = 1,875,000 Dilithium for a Lobi Store Costume.
200 / 5 * 125 * 500 = 2,500,000 Dilithium for a Lobi Store Costume.
And this thread is a massive example as to why people can't chalk up to a challenge and beat it.
This is a perfect opportunity to challenge your friends, to make some friendly competitions, to see who can get which ones first! A chance to set a goal and reach it! Instead, everyone complains. They shrink back at the sign of a great challenge.
Seriously people, take a positive approach and maybe things wouldn't seem so bleak to you.
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Prices seem a tad high to me. Most likely priced that way to primarily drive Zen sales and pull dil out of the hands of "farmers" which is a good idea if it's reasonably successful. But then again I'm not privy to the economy numbers Cryptic has at their disposal.
Sure, lots of people will complain about the prices being so high for just an outfit. But then again lots of people seem to buy Zen for dil to dump into new fleet holdings which, at the end of the day, doesn't really provide them with much of anything once it's done and they've bought a few of the items that becomes available. So it really does appear to me it's targeted to very specific players, not the "average" joe.
So for all the people saying this is perfect: if it had be 1,000,000 would you be bawling that it's not high enough?
If .1% of the playerbase buys it, NO that's not a sink, that's a rounding error where you could have used the same assets to simultaneously pull more dilithium out of the pool and made more customers think favorably of your game experience. Lets skip past the straw man where I'm suggesting everyone should have their goodies handed to the for free/1day of dilithium refining/some other absurd proposition you know dam will I'm NOT making. I like multi-month goals, but this isn't multi-month, this is just zen store written as dilithium. It's high to the point of discouraging use rather than promoting it.
They'll gather data, and make adjustments, and we'll see where things go. But I think this is another time they've overplayed a weak hand.
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Unless your using other parts of a Nukara set, I would actually say that the Solanae environmental suits from "A Step Between Stars" are better. More specifically, the one you get from not activating the defenses.
Edit: And they're free, so they're a better price than the Nukara ones.
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Just sayin.
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1) It's Tribble. There's no requirement that what you see on Tribble is what goes to Holodeck. These prices could be completely wrong.
2) Say the price, either on Tribble or on Holodeck, launched at a fraction of this. Mobs of players buy it up, at a price so low it barely dents the Dil economy. Cryptic are forced to either raise the price, cue massive whining, or come up with some other Dil sink. Isn't it better if it drops priced too high? There's always room to tune down later, and that will be received with cheers instead of pitchforks and torches.
There IS a sweet spot to be had somewhere between not at all and what they're listing for.
Its not a dilithium sink if 99.9% of you're players ignore it as absurd.
I'd think about it at that price as an account unlock, but for one character? Instantly filed under irrelevant and forgotten.
All the dill store prices are always the same between tribble and holodeck so why would these be different.
Well, one reason could simply be because there's not enough time to use Tribble to actually test different prices. So they may have listed on Tribble with outrageously high prices to elicit just such conversation about what we the players think a reasonable price would be. Doubtful, but conceivable. But yeah, if they drop with these prices I'll just smile and wave as they go by.
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Wow, that's awesome!!!
Hopefully, they will still be around in 5 or 6 years which is probably when I will be able to buy one of them.
If .1% of the playerbase cares enough to siphon the dilithium out of the dilithium exchange to get their outfits, then it is still a dilithium sink.
What remains to be seen is just how many are willing to pay up, and if it's enough to make a dent in the dilex rates.
I would love one for my AOY. But it will be a very long time before I get it. I say a least a year if not 2.
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That's the bit that gets my back up so much about this. I thought we were slowly making progress toward more account wide unlocks, and then they do this. The price is insane. I can understand them wanting dilithium sinks and I could almost justify that IF and only if these were account wide unlocks. Pinning them as single character unlocks with that price tag is stupid. As I said in the Tribble thread, buying the MACO costume alone on all of my Fed toons would cost me almost double the price I paid for all three of the big expansion bundle packs and those had more than 30 starships and 10 new uniforms between them plus extras all at the account level...
Had a look at them on test, used the test console to get dil... The vests and jacket are just one top each. And the MACO is just much either. Very overpriced.
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Actually did a comparison on the Lobi consumables to determine if being in the Dilithium Store actually made them cheaper. The result was the Dilithium Exchange would have to be around 90 Dilithium per Zen for the costs to be about the same. So it is much cheaper in the Dilithium Store compared to the Lobi Store. This involved buying the 10 Key Bundle and each Lockbox has an average of 5 Lobi.
Based on the previous information, 1 Lobi costs 22.5 Zen. Considering that the most expensive Lobi uniforms cost 200 Lobi, then it costs 4500 Zen or $45. 4500 Zen at 400 Dilithium per Zen is 1.8 million dilithium. It is actually cheaper if this was in the Lobi Store. These Dilithium Store uniforms are simply a status symbol to show that a certain player has more wealth than you.
Think I'm going to hold on to the dil until the next FE incase they drop the price by then or make it account unlock, the big thing was getting it before the exchange crashes tomorrow from increased dil demand ... at least that's what I'm expecting to happen anyway
Old timer here, also giving a lot to my fleet, and I don't have that much dil. They don't need stuff that cost this insane amount of dil.
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This really just punishes the people that don't farm dilith on ten or more toons a day too, which I am not one of the people that do. I convert my 8k a day on two toons, maybee 3 sometimes, and thats it.
At these prices, zero chance of me ever getting them.
Items under "Costumes" and "Ground gear" that can be used as costumes. (faction exclusive items create some available variance)
Price breakdown is:
10 @ 200 Lobi
6 @ 150 Lobi
4 @ 100 Lobi - Tholian silk scarf, Ferengi shirt , Ferengi skirts
2 @ 50 Lobi - EVA suit upgrades
3 @ 30 Lobi - Earrings
So using the 150 - 200 Lobi:
Lobi store costume = 150 Lobi, 200 Lobi
Average Number of Lobi per box = 5 (Min 4)
Price per Lockbox key = 125 Zen
MAX exchange rate Dil:Zen = 500:1
150 / 5 * 125 * 500 = 1,875,000 Dilithium for a Lobi Store Costume.
200 / 5 * 125 * 500 = 2,500,000 Dilithium for a Lobi Store Costume.
Vs. 2,000,000 for a Dil store costume?
Food for thought
This is a perfect opportunity to challenge your friends, to make some friendly competitions, to see who can get which ones first! A chance to set a goal and reach it! Instead, everyone complains. They shrink back at the sign of a great challenge.
Seriously people, take a positive approach and maybe things wouldn't seem so bleak to you.
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Sure, lots of people will complain about the prices being so high for just an outfit. But then again lots of people seem to buy Zen for dil to dump into new fleet holdings which, at the end of the day, doesn't really provide them with much of anything once it's done and they've bought a few of the items that becomes available. So it really does appear to me it's targeted to very specific players, not the "average" joe.
If .1% of the playerbase buys it, NO that's not a sink, that's a rounding error where you could have used the same assets to simultaneously pull more dilithium out of the pool and made more customers think favorably of your game experience. Lets skip past the straw man where I'm suggesting everyone should have their goodies handed to the for free/1day of dilithium refining/some other absurd proposition you know dam will I'm NOT making. I like multi-month goals, but this isn't multi-month, this is just zen store written as dilithium. It's high to the point of discouraging use rather than promoting it.
They'll gather data, and make adjustments, and we'll see where things go. But I think this is another time they've overplayed a weak hand.