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Elite Epoc Fighters don't suck
lordgyor
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There is a rumour that Epoc Fighters suck. Just bought some to try them out and its not true.
They're actually one of the best fighters I've ever used as far as I can tell.
To be fair I have several traits that boost them, such as coordinated assault (allows me to grant them beam overload I), reactive repair nanites (heals them when I heal someone), and scramble fighters (heals and boosts fighter damage and temp invulerniblity).
I have three active Flight Deck Officers who reduce the launch CD by 4 seconds each.
So their beams are always going off all the time and their antiproton.
The Chroniton Torps are okay.
I can't tell what channelled deconstruction is doing for them.
I don't know how to parse damage, but they can rip apart borg cubes without me attacking really well.
They appear to be my deadliest pets so far. Down side is I can't try them on a carrier to directly compare.
They're actually one of the best fighters I've ever used as far as I can tell.
To be fair I have several traits that boost them, such as coordinated assault (allows me to grant them beam overload I), reactive repair nanites (heals them when I heal someone), and scramble fighters (heals and boosts fighter damage and temp invulerniblity).
I have three active Flight Deck Officers who reduce the launch CD by 4 seconds each.
So their beams are always going off all the time and their antiproton.
The Chroniton Torps are okay.
I can't tell what channelled deconstruction is doing for them.
I don't know how to parse damage, but they can rip apart borg cubes without me attacking really well.
They appear to be my deadliest pets so far. Down side is I can't try them on a carrier to directly compare.
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Serious its like watching tiny baby cruisers attack a target.
With the Chronos' console and defensive configuration I just just sit and watch while just hitting Beam Over Load (but not firing, its to grant my pets beam overload I) and lauch fighters every once in awhile.
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2 antiproton beam arrays and FAW I (I can personally add BO I, but that shouldn't count), is a really good combo, and yeah Channelled Deconstruction is not the most effect power on them it sounds like, but they still have alot going for them.
My favourite are still Elite Slavers because they steal contraband, but Elite Epochs and Elite Orion Interceptors are tied for a close second place.
so as far as pets go, this release was good for them because all offerings seem to be good at epic level - though i've not heard anything about kelvin scorpions yet
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Unless you PVP, that doesn't matter. Even then on PVP, Carriers weren't calling out their Pokemon to fight other Pokemon, but other player ships.
I'm not quite sold on the Elite Epohh Fighters yet. I still vividly recall the cataclysmic failure called, "Callisto Frigates" that a lot of guys bought off on because of the pretty stats it supposedly had, but I knew better.
Channeled Deconstruction is one of the Temporal BOFF abilities that build that specialization's counter, called "Entropy." Several means to build that up on a target and the Elite Epohh Fighters' draw is to help build that up.
Then there are Temporal BOFF abilities that feed off Entropy stacks like "Rapid Decay" which puts more Physical Damage and Resist Debuffing the more Entropy is stacked on a target. It then consumes the stack of Entropy.
I'm not sure if the Elite Epohh Fighters are working in that. Very few if anyone is working on Temporal BOFF builds and still sticking to what they have working, compared to when lots of people were trying out Intel and Command when they came out.
They don't build entropy for any one but themselves and they don't use it. Only the person that generates it can use entropy on a target.
All the same, the fighters are not bad.
All Channeled Deconstruction does for them is a very brief physical DOT.
You don't buy them for Channeled Deconstruction, you buy them for two antiproton beam arrays & FAW, with the Chroniton Torps being gravy.
I think Yellow Stones would be better suited on Escort Carrier, holding targets for the Escort Carrier to rip apart.
The Elite Epocs have all together 12 antiproton beam arrays between six Epoc Fighters vs. 4 phaser beam arrays between four Yellowstones. Winner Epocs.
The Epocs have 6 Chronitons Torps launchers between six fighters vs. 4 Chroniton Torp launchers between four Yellowstones. Winner Epocs.
Tractor Beam III usable by four Yellowstones vs. FAW usable by six Epoc Fighters with 12 beam arrays between them. Tough one, but you don't need more holds so I'll go with Epoc Fighters.
Channeled Deconstruction from six Epoc fighters vs. 4 Tetyron Warp Plasmas from 4 Yellowstones. Winner tied, I'm not big on either.
Yellowstones have higher hull then Epocs vs. Higher number of targets with six Epoc Fighters. Winner Yellowstones.
Grand winner Elite Epoc Fighters.
But Star Ship Mastery traits could tip the balance one way or the other.
A dev commented in another thread that the Epochs don't build any entropy (for the player or the fighters themselves). Honestly, if they were given a different temporal ability, I would be fine with them.
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Also: scoprions spam plasma and can be buffed with rapdid fire....
Best pet?
Jemhadar bug becuase you can buff it with BO and rapid fire....
^^
In a fight the Elite Epoch Fighters would kill the Elite Scorpions, FAW would destroy the High Yield Plasma Torpedoes, while still damaging the Scorpions, and beam arrays work better then cannons on pets because of AI while allow the Epochs to stay further away.
Channeled Deconstruction isn't the best ability, but for I think 5 seconds it deals like 1000 to 2000 physical damage per second direct to hull, x 6 fighters so its not that bad.
Heck my Captain armed with a Ferengi Energy whip can kill swarm drones at ground level and their the exact same robots as at the space level.
So others can't use the Entropy they build up? That that kills it for me completely.
I never cared if my Elite Swarmers blew up fast. That just means more empty slots to launch new Elite Swarmers with a fresh, unused copy of Beam Overload.
wing commander and scramble fighters make these shine like polished gems. combine with bo on command....
I send my pets up against Borg Probes swarms and they rock against them. Epochs are better against groups, Swarmers against single big targets, although Epochs aren't bad against those either.
One hangar pet I'd love to try, but can't is Tortured Souls, their NPC only pets, but unleashing those against an enemy would be cool. Imagine what Elite Tortured Soul would have, in addition to their claws, Inferno bolts and life draining maybe.
I have severe ethical concerns about giving players the ability to purchase and summon Tortured Souls.
Are they really damned/demonic Klingon souls reborn or are they a technological creation by the Her'q.
If they're just constructions of photonic or bioneural nature and none sentient, then they're no more unethical then swarm drones, and massively more ethical then suicide ships like Skul fighters and Jem'hadar Attack ship pets.
@crypticspartan#0627 Is there any chance of the channeled deconstruction ability that the Epochs have being 360 degrees? So that it isn't constantly interrupted the moment they use it?
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Actually, the variant that they use has 360 degree arc.
as it should be with any channeled ability on an AI-flown craft...because said AI is too stupid to
(yeah, i'm gonna catch holy hell for that, but i don't care)
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Awesome!!!