~Really only 4 boring species for TOS faction?!?!

officerbatman81 · June 2016

I was anticipating doing the AoY recruit event by quickly grinding out the rewards and deleting the TOS toon like i did the Delta recruit. But with the details of the rewards that came out to day it essentially manipulates you to make a keeper toon due to the long long term nature of it.

I'm not thrilled with the 4 boring TOS species available for making a keeper toon.
I'm not going to sit here and whine how unfair it is that we cannot use species we paid for from the Cstore and LTS because that has been done.......instead im just simply going to state how epically disapointed i am and beg the powers that be reconsider at least ONE of these species. Even if you introduce one i dont have I'll buy it just for this TOS event.

Is there any talk of reconsideration? I dont care how much it makes sense for species X to be walking around the 23rd century, this is after all centered around time travel.

How about making it possible to start a human toon in the 23rd century and have him travel to the 25th century and go through a borg STF like Khitomer in Stasis and get assimilated then have the option of turning him into a liberated borg if we own that option?

Please.

artan42 · June 2016

We could have got Caitians, but the decision was to limit AoY to species only from live action TOS, which is the reason we have all the Andorians and Tellarites, because so many of them were seen in Starfleet in TOS.

This is the single example of an Andorian in a TOS Starfleet uniform.

Thelin

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f8explorer · June 2016

artan42 wrote: »

We could have got Caitians, but the decision was to limit AoY to species only from live action TOS, which is the reason we have all the Andorians and Tellarites, because so many of them were seen in Starfleet in TOS.

This is the single example of an Andorian in a TOS Starfleet uniform.

Thelin

Ok .... So ... They pulled use of personal shields from the animated series. SO ... why not some of the other species?

snoggymack22 · June 2016

Humans are the single most exciting and interesting species of intelligent life in the history of the universe. So what you mean by boring?

storules · June 2016

officerbatman81 wrote: »

I was anticipating doing the AoY recruit event by quickly grinding out the rewards and deleting the TOS toon like i did the Delta recruit. But with the details of the rewards that came out to day it essentially manipulates you to make a keeper toon due to the long long term nature of it.

I'm not thrilled with the 4 boring TOS species available for making a keeper toon.
I'm not going to sit here and whine how unfair it is that we cannot use species we paid for from the Cstore and LTS because that has been done.......instead im just simply going to state how epically disapointed i am and beg the powers that be reconsider at least ONE of these species. Even if you introduce one i dont have I'll buy it just for this TOS event.

Is there any talk of reconsideration? I dont care how much it makes sense for species X to be walking around the 23rd century, this is after all centered around time travel.

How about making it possible to start a human toon in the 23rd century and have him travel to the 25th century and go through a borg STF like Khitomer in Stasis and get assimilated then have the option of turning him into a liberated borg if we own that option?

Please.

What are the four? Human, romulan, Klingons and andorians?

What do you expect from Cryptic?

Would be nice to get others at least a Gorn or alien? Will they sell other species still? They lost a ton of money by not even making this available in other species.

kodachikuno · June 2016

You only just now picked up on this?? Where have you been? This whine sailed a long time ago

nikeix · June 2016

On the off chance you actually want to influence the game's direction and aren't just complaining for the joy of seeing your own text on the screen, you kind of need to get involved in these discussions about 4-6 weeks earlier when its being talked about in the test server boards and Devs are directly involved in reading feedback. This train has long since left the station... not that it was ever really up for discussion due to the overriding Design reasons driving the decision.

Asked and explained a month ago. http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline/#/discussion/comment/12938303

daveyny · June 2016

kodachikuno wrote: »

You only just now picked up on this?? Where have you been? This whine sailed a long time ago

... and the "cheese" attached to it is really moldy.

officerbatman81 · June 2016

Um im not a late comer. I was fully aware of this back when it was new. And i was in the "discussions" as you put it, but those were just people complaining and writhing around, it wasnt a round table political discussion with devs as you put it.

Its called renewing the discussion. Since it was on tribble it was subject to change. It wasnt set in stone. I was/am hoping to sway the community to a logical argument.

How naive was I, all i got was 'where were you, you only figured this out now' schitt.

kodachikuno · June 2016

its ready to ship in a handful of days... yeah that's TOTALLY the time to try and get some change /sarcasm

nikeix · June 2016

And yet it's going to turn out exactly the way I explained it, for exactly the reasons I described. Find a more compelling argument than "I don't like it" and make that argument back when there's time to change things.

daveyny · June 2016

I believe you missed Mr. Gecko's explanation in his very first AoY interview with P-1, about Their 'reasons' for limiting the player character types for this expansion...

And according to him at that time, yes it was "set in stone."

nikeix · June 2016

For comparison, they basically reworked 1/4 of all the skill tree unlocks to fit patterns I described to them because my arrangement solved more problems than it created. They do listen to player input in the test forum and they can be persuaded to make changes, but you have to do it in a timely fashion and you have to understand the consequences 2-3 steps ahead in Developer terms or you're just wasting your breath.

A week before launch this kind of request is exactly that: wasted breath. Doubly so because you plainly either don't understand or don't accept WHY the decision was made.

sp00kymulder · June 2016

what makes this limitation so stupidly insane is that it only "matters" for the first 6 missions on the TOS faction side.

after those 6 missions you go to the future and all content you play aftewards is the same content the other 3 factions get to play, who all have full species access.

so they are limiting you to 4 species for your entire character's "life" just because of the 6 missions at the very beginning of the TOS faction.

daveyny · June 2016

... and because THAT particular Toon is from the TWENTY-THIRD CENTURY... and is meant to played as such.

storules · June 2016

nikeix wrote: »

They do listen to player input in the test forum and they can be persuaded to make changes

gradii · June 2016

snoggymack22 wrote: »

Humans are the single most exciting and interesting species of intelligent life in the history of the universe. So what you mean by boring?

So much this.

starkaos · June 2016

storules wrote: »

nikeix wrote: »

They do listen to player input in the test forum and they can be persuaded to make changes

Can't they be both?

Personally, I am hoping for there to be a new Lifer TOS race. Can't use Liberated Borg Humans and each expansion introduced a new Lifer race. Legacy of Romulus had Liberated Borg Romulans and Delta Rising had Talaxians. Maybe we will have Kelvin Universe Caitians for whoever bought the Caitian race and whatever species 0718 is for Lifers to keep the cybernetic race style of Liberated Borg.

nikeix · June 2016

storules wrote: »

Ok, consider your own response to the Lock Box Exchange proposal.

borticuscryptic wrote: »

Yeah. Won me over. Good points made in this thread.
I'll be changing it to Perception.

borticuscryptic wrote: »

There have been a couple of not-bad suggestions in this thread. I'm hesitant to jump on board with them, or call them out publicly, since it might be too late for a major change like this. I have to check a lot of variables on my end before pulling any triggers.

The GOOD news of this thread is that it contains a whole bunch of ideas that, while they might not be excellent suggestions for a Skill, would definitely make the cut for Traits, Starship Traits, Spec Abilities, Set Bonuses, or Doff Abilities. So while I might shoot them down now, I'm also bookmarking the thread for later reference.

borticuscryptic wrote: »

This thread is shaping up to be another one of those where the suggestions being made don't quite fit what our design is aiming for, but aren't bad designs for other aspects of gameplay. So, again I'm bookmarking it!

borticuscryptic wrote: »

Does [Nikeix's proposal] address the other feedback in this thread? Cause other issues?

I speak "Dev" very well. I'm offering free advice on how to actually get what you want. No one will make you take it.

evilmark444 · June 2016

Some on Tribble have noticed an alert message saying they earned a race change token, so it's possible TOS characters will be able to race change after completing the first six missions. No official word on that though so it's all just speculation at this point.

starkaos · June 2016

evilmark444 wrote: »

Some on Tribble have noticed an alert message saying they earned a race change token, so it's possible TOS characters will be able to race change after completing the first six missions. No official word on that though so it's all just speculation at this point.

So time travel can change a person's genetics to be a completely different race just like transporters are known to combine two people together, separate a person into their good half and evil half, and clone a person?

evilmark444 · June 2016

starkaos wrote: »

evilmark444 wrote: »

Some on Tribble have noticed an alert message saying they earned a race change token, so it's possible TOS characters will be able to race change after completing the first six missions. No official word on that though so it's all just speculation at this point.

So time travel can change a person's genetics to be a completely different race just like transporters are known to combine two people together, separate a person into their good half and evil half, and clone a person?

Daniel's says something about you getting special training to fit in in the current timeline. If they add a race change, it could probably be explained as a cosmetic only change like was shown in the various series from time to time.

In my case, if race change is an option, my TOS character will simply be assimilated immediately after coming to the future, then liberated fairly quickly.

scarling · June 2016

snoggymack22 wrote: »

Humans are the single most exciting and interesting species of intelligent life in the history of the universe. So what you mean by boring?

*that we know of

kitsunesnout · June 2016

That sounds like the old species re-trait code that never got completely removed to me. It very often gets mistaken by people for being a race change. But I seriously hope they do add race change eventually! Might make use of that Rom-side.

farmallm · June 2016

I'm not sure which one I'm choosing at this time. I will decide when the release hits. Last time I chose an Andorian, and have an Andorian theme going with the Delta Recruit. I'm sure I will come up with something.

legendarylycan · June 2016

i made a vulcan for my tribble tester...when AoY hits holodeck, i might just go with that vulcan again - science, of course, since the entire expansion is LOADED with sciency goodness, and it'll be a nice homage to leonard nimoy (i will not, however, be naming him any permutation of spock...i have more originality than that)

either that, or i'll make another human with as much of a russian look as i can in honor of anton yelchin

bloodyriz · June 2016

azrael605 wrote: »

I'll be using a human for AoY, gonna name him Elliot Spencer and his ship will be the USS Nathan Ford.

I would suggest instead, your toon be Nathan Ford, Captain of the Leverage.
Tactical Officer Elliot Spencer.
Security Officer Parker.
Science Officer Alec Hardison.
Communications Officer Sophie Devereaux.

fatherrock · June 2016

I will make a plain human, with the free extra character they will give. I will rush through it all and
turn it into a crafter whos only reason to exist is to give my real characters bonuses.
Like the delta recruit that is just a crafter

4 absolutely forgetable races....that is it. Fail.

officerbatman81 · June 2016

Okay.

I am also holding out hope they will come up with another lifer race, frankly i dont really care what.

Also that prospect of having a species respec token that someone mentioned is hinted at by Daniels (whom i dislike greatly) even though that sounds far fetched for cryptic to do sounds good to me also. So i hope that pans out.

I dont appreciate some of the snarky replies but what did i expect posting here with all the pillars of humanity represented here.

I know some share my feeling. All I was saying is that there is still opportunity for lifer races, and new tricks to change species after the fact.

~Really only 4 boring species for TOS faction?!?!

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