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The problem with one world government is if it's a corrupt one there's nowhere left to go. Power corrupts, leaving the better option to have multiple places to choose from.
The EU is not the world. But the exact opposite has now happened. We have lost a vital part of oversight. Now the Right Wing can fully get on with their task of more zero hour contracts, removal or workers rights, banning unions and strikes, privatisation of healthcare, privatisation of education, increases power of corporations, removal of the welfare system and protection for the disabled and vulnerable, protection for refugees, and all the other things the EU human rights court, their parliament etc. have been preventing.
We now have no multiple choices. When our government continues turning England into little America, we will not have the EU to turn to for protection.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The EU was meant as an economic entity to rival other large markets. Fair enough but what it's morphing into many people have a problem with and rightly so. Germany is over here offering to help bail Greece out of country demolishing debt and what is their response? Oh yeah we'll take all your money but TRIBBLE you and your rules we deserve this. The EU allowed this type of behavior and now the successful nations like Germany and the UK were basically obligated to sacrifice themselves and their people to help the poorly run and managed nations. The EU is usurping more and more political power which clearly some people are ok with and some people are not. The biggest issue I see is that EU officials are not elected democratically at all so who really has the power here? The goal of one nation over Europe isn't a bad idea but I question th EU'S approach and clearly I'm not the only one. It is heading nowhere good, they need to start over.
In other depressing news the new Star Trek show could very well be unwatchable. The people working on it are thrilled to be on streaming because they say it gives them complete freedom without restrictive ratings to do anything they want... well Star Trek has always been a show every member of the family could enjoy and if they wreck that I will strangle every last one of them in their sleep. It would also fail miserably and get the franchise canned for decades just like Stargate was by that godawful Universe.
In other depressing news the new Star Trek show could very well be unwatchable. The people working on it are thrilled to be on streaming because they say it gives them complete freedom without restrictive ratings to do anything they want... well Star Trek has always been a show every member of the family could enjoy and if they wreck that I will strangle every last one of them in their sleep. It would also fail miserably and get the franchise canned for decades just like Stargate was by that godawful Universe.
As someone who's dream trek show would be a game of thrones style show set entirely in the mirror universe with a mature rating, I have no problem with this.
If I wrote the pilot for said show, I would get a really big name to play the captain, build him up as a really important character, and right before the closing credits the first officer would vaporize him.
There's plenty of p.orn on television these days without desecrating one of the few franchises left that's worth a damn. Gene Roddenberry would rise from the grave to hunt down whoever were to do that to his baby.
There's plenty of **** on television these days without desecrating one of the few franchises left that's worth a damn.
I'm going to assume the censored word was a reference to a body part. My reference to game of thrones was not intended to apply to nudity, but rather the brutal violence and frequent surprise deaths. In GoT no one is safe, episode to episode or book to book anyone and everyone can die a horrible death, and that's the type of thing I would want for a mirror universe show.
In other depressing news the new Star Trek show could very well be unwatchable. The people working on it are thrilled to be on streaming because they say it gives them complete freedom without restrictive ratings to do anything they want... well Star Trek has always been a show every member of the family could enjoy and if they wreck that I will strangle every last one of them in their sleep. It would also fail miserably and get the franchise canned for decades just like Stargate was by that godawful Universe.
When they say restrictive ratings they mean network ratings.....they wont have to compete for timeslots. Also without being under the oversight of standards and practices they can tackle more issues that would make most network producers uncomfortable.
Which makes me uncomfortable, when Star Trek chose to touch on difficult topics it did so gracefully and lightly in a way that made you think without going too far. That episode with Dax and her wife from a previous life is a model example of how such subject matter should be treated. Gene Roddenberry didn't shove things down your throat he came up with a good story to make you think. The interviews we've had so far it appears to me that his successors will not honor his finesse and will drive away much of their potential audience by going hardcore "progressive" or worse. That is not the Star Trek way that is the way of the uneducated and illogical.
There's plenty of p.orn on television these days without desecrating one of the few franchises left that's worth a damn. Gene Roddenberry would rise from the grave to hunt down whoever were to do that to his baby.
Have you ever actually watched Gene's Star Trek???
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I read the interview. Nowhere did they say they were going hardcore progressive. You're jumping to conclusions. BTW Roddenberry didn't even come close to coming up with all those stories to begin with. That was Gene Coon, DC Fontana, Harland Ellis, Maurice Hurley, Tracy Torme, etc.......
I heard that the UK had voted to leave the EU. I wish them luck.
England and Wales voted out. Scotland and NI voted to remain, but obviously their votes don't count, only England's.
Well, one step further back from a united Earth and more petty nationalism.
You really shouldn't do massive generalisations like that; what you are deliberately trying to do is present it as a England vs the rest of the UK issue, and it isn't like that.
The actual votes were 62% of Scots who voted voting to remain, which is not “Scotland voted to remain” as that would need to be 100%. Not even a “landslide” or “overwhelming majority” as those imply at least 70-80% if not higher.
3,987,112 voters who were eligible to vote in Scotland: Of them, only 67.2% of them did. When compared to the national average of 72.2% of eligible voters voting, Scots cared less than the rest of the UK; keeping in mind they turned out at 85% for their Scottish Referendum in 2014.
Of that 67.2%, 1,661,191 people voted remain, and 1,018,332 voted to leave. This means that only 41.66% of Scots voted for remain, which is not even a simple majority of Scots.
The only thing you do get right is that listed by local authority it does look like all of Scotland voted remain - but if we use that logic, then 2014 was a ‘landslide’ and 'overwhelming majority’ vote to stay in the UK, given only 4 local authorities voted to leave the UK.
And for Northern Ireland, 55.8% voted remain, 44.2% voted to leave, which is 323,738 voters and 7 out of 18 constituencies. Which is even more damning for your portrayal of the situation than Scotland was.
The twin ironies of this stupid blunder of yours is that the Leave campaign would have lost without the Northern Irish and Scottish voters. The English did not force them out, and if they had voted the way you wanted them to, your post should properly be revised to just over 1.3 million voters deciding whether any of the English 13,266,996 remain, 15,188,406 leave, and Welsh 772,347 Remain and 854,572 leave voters get what they want - and secondly, trying to make this about Irish/Scottish vs English/Welsh is exactly contrary to your supposed ideal of "Well, one step further back from a united Earth and more petty nationalism."
That's some really effective manipulation of statistics to attempt to suggest that Scotland can be overruled. Still not as creative as the statistics 'leave' used in the campaign, but creative nonetheless.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
That's some really effective manipulation of statistics to attempt to suggest that Scotland can be overruled. Still not as creative as the statistics 'leave' used in the campaign, but creative nonetheless.
I thought you'd carry on ignoring the more than a million Scots who voted to leave to suit your agenda. I mean, as you've said: " but obviously their votes don't count, only England's".
And in any case, all I did was state voter numbers and percentages, while using a Pro-Remain source. There was no creativity here, just stating facts quoted from the remain side.
I showed how Scotland and Northern Ireland were not being over-ruled; far from it, they made the bulk of a crucial majority for the leave campaign, without whom the gap between remain and leave would be around 100 thousand votes in Remain's favour, and we wouldn't be having this conversation because your lie that this was a England vs Northern Ireland/Scotland issue would have actually been true.
I still would have commented, given you immediately choose to divide based on nationality, then contradict yourself by positing that international unity is a good thing.
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Anytime when a small amount of people can control a far larger group of people, caution should be taken, and precautions made to reject leadership when it has gone tryanical, or is a failure.
Enough people in the UK believed the EU was or will be a failure for the people and sovereignty of the UK, and voted to leave, get over it guys.
Less than 52%. So for nearly every person who voted to leave, another voted to stay. I don't think there's going to be any getting over of the it anytime soon. Especially with the reports that many who voted to leave are either changing their minds or weren't serious about it to begin with and didn't think it would actually happen.
Well whatever. I suppose I can take this as an opportunity to point and laugh at the countries who like to point and laugh at my country. I won't, but I could.
I believe that 52 is more than 48, and the referendum was for a majority, was it not? I am sure if the leavers were the 48, the remainers wouldnt be saying what you are.
Also "people who voted for it are changing thier minds, or werent serious about it", what the heck? Votes have consequences , if you voted, you voted, its not preschool, no backsies', or "that wasnt my real vote, this ones for real". The funny thing about real-life is there are real-cosequences to ones actions, maybe if more people were held to that reality, the world would be closer to the "Utopianistic" vision some see in Star Trek.
In other depressing news the new Star Trek show could very well be unwatchable. The people working on it are thrilled to be on streaming because they say it gives them complete freedom without restrictive ratings to do anything they want... well Star Trek has always been a show every member of the family could enjoy and if they wreck that I will strangle every last one of them in their sleep. It would also fail miserably and get the franchise canned for decades just like Stargate was by that godawful Universe.
As someone who's dream trek show would be a game of thrones style show set entirely in the mirror universe with a mature rating, I have no problem with this.
If I wrote the pilot for said show, I would get a really big name to play the captain, build him up as a really important character, and right before the closing credits the first officer would vaporize him.
Sean Bean isn't doing anything right now, is he?
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"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
They get it.
Sorry, had to do it.
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This thread is not in your game. It is on an internet message board.
The EU is not the world. But the exact opposite has now happened. We have lost a vital part of oversight. Now the Right Wing can fully get on with their task of more zero hour contracts, removal or workers rights, banning unions and strikes, privatisation of healthcare, privatisation of education, increases power of corporations, removal of the welfare system and protection for the disabled and vulnerable, protection for refugees, and all the other things the EU human rights court, their parliament etc. have been preventing.
We now have no multiple choices. When our government continues turning England into little America, we will not have the EU to turn to for protection.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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As someone who's dream trek show would be a game of thrones style show set entirely in the mirror universe with a mature rating, I have no problem with this.
If I wrote the pilot for said show, I would get a really big name to play the captain, build him up as a really important character, and right before the closing credits the first officer would vaporize him.
I'm going to assume the censored word was a reference to a body part. My reference to game of thrones was not intended to apply to nudity, but rather the brutal violence and frequent surprise deaths. In GoT no one is safe, episode to episode or book to book anyone and everyone can die a horrible death, and that's the type of thing I would want for a mirror universe show.
When they say restrictive ratings they mean network ratings.....they wont have to compete for timeslots. Also without being under the oversight of standards and practices they can tackle more issues that would make most network producers uncomfortable.
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You really shouldn't do massive generalisations like that; what you are deliberately trying to do is present it as a England vs the rest of the UK issue, and it isn't like that.
The actual votes were 62% of Scots who voted voting to remain, which is not “Scotland voted to remain” as that would need to be 100%. Not even a “landslide” or “overwhelming majority” as those imply at least 70-80% if not higher.
3,987,112 voters who were eligible to vote in Scotland: Of them, only 67.2% of them did. When compared to the national average of 72.2% of eligible voters voting, Scots cared less than the rest of the UK; keeping in mind they turned out at 85% for their Scottish Referendum in 2014.
Of that 67.2%, 1,661,191 people voted remain, and 1,018,332 voted to leave. This means that only 41.66% of Scots voted for remain, which is not even a simple majority of Scots.
The only thing you do get right is that listed by local authority it does look like all of Scotland voted remain - but if we use that logic, then 2014 was a ‘landslide’ and 'overwhelming majority’ vote to stay in the UK, given only 4 local authorities voted to leave the UK.
And for Northern Ireland, 55.8% voted remain, 44.2% voted to leave, which is 323,738 voters and 7 out of 18 constituencies. Which is even more damning for your portrayal of the situation than Scotland was.
From the BBC, an organisation who were devoted to being pro-EU throughout: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36614284
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36616830
The twin ironies of this stupid blunder of yours is that the Leave campaign would have lost without the Northern Irish and Scottish voters. The English did not force them out, and if they had voted the way you wanted them to, your post should properly be revised to just over 1.3 million voters deciding whether any of the English 13,266,996 remain, 15,188,406 leave, and Welsh 772,347 Remain and 854,572 leave voters get what they want - and secondly, trying to make this about Irish/Scottish vs English/Welsh is exactly contrary to your supposed ideal of "Well, one step further back from a united Earth and more petty nationalism."
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I thought you'd carry on ignoring the more than a million Scots who voted to leave to suit your agenda. I mean, as you've said: " but obviously their votes don't count, only England's".
And in any case, all I did was state voter numbers and percentages, while using a Pro-Remain source. There was no creativity here, just stating facts quoted from the remain side.
I showed how Scotland and Northern Ireland were not being over-ruled; far from it, they made the bulk of a crucial majority for the leave campaign, without whom the gap between remain and leave would be around 100 thousand votes in Remain's favour, and we wouldn't be having this conversation because your lie that this was a England vs Northern Ireland/Scotland issue would have actually been true.
I still would have commented, given you immediately choose to divide based on nationality, then contradict yourself by positing that international unity is a good thing.
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Enough people in the UK believed the EU was or will be a failure for the people and sovereignty of the UK, and voted to leave, get over it guys.
Now, when are we getting more info on AoY?
Less than 52%. So for nearly every person who voted to leave, another voted to stay. I don't think there's going to be any getting over of the it anytime soon. Especially with the reports that many who voted to leave are either changing their minds or weren't serious about it to begin with and didn't think it would actually happen.
Well whatever. I suppose I can take this as an opportunity to point and laugh at the countries who like to point and laugh at my country. I won't, but I could.
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I believe that 52 is more than 48, and the referendum was for a majority, was it not? I am sure if the leavers were the 48, the remainers wouldnt be saying what you are.
Also "people who voted for it are changing thier minds, or werent serious about it", what the heck? Votes have consequences , if you voted, you voted, its not preschool, no backsies', or "that wasnt my real vote, this ones for real". The funny thing about real-life is there are real-cosequences to ones actions, maybe if more people were held to that reality, the world would be closer to the "Utopianistic" vision some see in Star Trek.
Sean Bean isn't doing anything right now, is he?